Should woman pursue higher education?

Yaraye

VIP
I don't think any kind of higher education should be banned. If a woman wants to pursue it, then go for it. If she doesn't want to, then that's also her choice. I think banning higher education is a dangerous. Many of the high paying/prestigious careers requires high education. If by qadarullah, a woman somehow doesn't have a man to rely on (dead father, or only have sisters and no brother, or widow...etc) is she gonna be stuck at a low paying dead end job? There are too many disadvantages for women if it is banned. I think the purpose of banning higher education is to prevent women from being educated enough to make critical decisions, mind control them, prevent them from having options, or to lower competition for better paying jobs. Having options is very important in life, cuz unexpected stuff happens and one always needs a way out of situations.

I don't look down on motherhood or family. I personally want to pursue higher education but be a housewife and focus on my family and children. I would like to be educated on both Islam and secular studies , so that I can think critically and teach my children properly. Men should worry about uneducated women. The first teachings that children receive in their life is from their mothers. In islam education is considered Nuur (light).
In Islam, education is a divine command for both men and women. The Quran as well as the hadith leave no doubt that women, like men, are obligated to increase their knowledge and pursue it.
 
Last edited:
Sis, they already got there before you..

View attachment 246860
They're celebrating women not being allowed sims to even call family and friends or to record.

That is abuse. What if a woman is in a bad situation and she needs to call her family?





They see girls and women as disposable sex toys and baby machines. That's why they don't care if there are no more female doctors, gynocologists etc, etc. They'll simply tell girls and women to give birth alone in the bushes and then wait to see who survives. If their slave wife dies, they'll just get another one.

Walahi, if they could, they would have us in chains that extend to the bed and kitchen only.
 
Everyone is wondering the same thing:

He needs to get lashes for literally calling every innocent muslim women in university a wh0re basically
 

Attachments

  • Screenshot_20221225_184059.png
    Screenshot_20221225_184059.png
    56.5 KB · Views: 83
Does this really bother men????!? I never heard anyone talk about it in real life. Majority of women want to be a house wife. It just depends on her age and maturity. Some people have unrealistic expectations after college.

β€œone I graduated and got a degree and I’ll be making 6+ figures/ year”

These type of people will get hit in the face really hard. Life is about trade off.
 

Som

VIP
I’m not against Muslim woman attending university, I’m against Muslim woman attending Western/liberal universities which are without a doubt breeding grounds for heresy, atheism, feminism, drugs and Zina etc which is pretty much every university/college in the West.
But are you ok with men attending the same type of universities in the west? It's hypocrisy, i bet you also studied in a so called "evil western" school/university
 
I wonder if some of you ever attended a University. Where is this fisqi you speak of?
Normal Muslims of both genders, go to lectures and classes and then they study in the library, pray, study, work out etc. Many campuses even have prayer rooms and Islamic societies.

Some of you either work for agencies that want Muslims to look like brutes and cavemen or you have never attended an Educational Institute a day in your life and it shows.
 
I wonder if some of you ever attended a University. Where is this fisqi you speak of?
Normal Muslims of both genders, go to lectures and classes and then they study in the library, pray, study, work out etc. Many campuses even have prayer rooms and Islamic societies.

Some of you either work for agencies that want Muslims to look like brutes and cavemen or you have never attended an Educational Institute a day in your life and it shows.
that’s how it was for me as well, living in dorms/living on campus is obviously different tho
 
These men who think universities lead to degeneracy must be extremely weak in their morals and have little self control.

I'm older than most of you and I was born in the west. I was the only Muslim woman and the only black person in my undergraduate course for all 4 years. It was an isolating experience but I never felt that I needed to change who I was to fit in. Those of you born mid-90s and later don't know how fortunate you are.

If you are planning on staying in the west and having a family here it is absolutely insane to not pursue some type of post-secondary education/apprenticeship whether you are male or female. Even then very few of us will earn enough to support an entire family on a single income.

I have seen many men become resentful of their stay-at-home wives when they realise that their single income is not providing them with the quality of life they hoped for.
 
Ive seen one advocate for homeschooling whilst celebrating for women not to be educated.

I said it and i'll say it again. This is all about marriage market and the rise of educated women with financial advantages and an unfortunate amount of working class men who don't fit the requirements of marriage.


It is disaster.
Good Food Eating GIF by Bounce

Girl!! you ate them up in this thread. I love you.
 
Screenshot_20221226_114536.jpg


This isn't about Islam, it's redpill, mariage market and insecurities. There are many men who aren't educated, aren't doing well financially and simply can't provide anything but the very bare minimum if not less. The only way in which they can compete and be seen as acceptable partners is by stripping women of any educational attainment and finances, hence by creating a generation of women with 0 assets by default they'll be able to marry since women on average are even poorer and need a man for a roof over their head and even mere bread.

It's not just some Muslim men arguing this, it's also a lot of gaals in the manosphere. It's pathetic. All of this is about simply getting women. The whole no education for women ties into their hypergamy arguement, they're always going on about.
 

AdoonkaAlle

Ragna qowl baa xira, dumarna meher baa xira.
the same people saying women should not pursue tacliin sare are the same people who want female gynecologists and doctors to treat women and female teachers. make it make sense.

I wouldn't group them into 1 category as some aren't against all types of tacliinta sare, they're against what they deem to be unnecessary tacliin in addition to the current education system etc.
 

medjourtine

β€œHappy people have no history” - Leo Tolstoy
The responses have been extremely underwhelming and have not mostly gone beyond the surface level imo.
I agree with Daniel and his wife on this topic matter.
Firstly, the fundamental point beyond anything else such as impressionability is that men are more successful in the productive sphere of work (better negotiators, better handlers of stress, better dedication) while women are obviously more successful in the reproductive sphere (motherhood). In every single line of work now, we are told to emphasise on division of labour, to divide work up to whoever is more efficient and effective at undertaking it right? So why is the family household any different? My wife is greater at being at home, looking after the children, and building a liveable, Islamic home that has warmth and tranquility, while I am far more capable, motivated, powerful in bringing food to the table than most women due sheerly to my masculinity. So the first argument is the division of labour, which the modern world bangs on about yet chooses to abandon when it comes to the family home (as there is a global agenda to split the traditional family home apart).
Secondly, women are hypergamous by nature (have a natural inclination to mate up, hence the constant and endless demand by most women being: I want a man who is stronger, taller, richer, smarter, etc than me). This isn’t bad in and of itself, however the issue is they end up shooting themselves and society in the foot when they go to university and most get average jobs, as the average women will now look to get above average men and the above average women will also look to get above average men, which means women will have a far smaller selection of men to choose from for marriage, this is the marriage crisis. Which leads inevitably to men committing zina, however, as exigently pressing on the women’s behalf, it leads to unfortunately many women who enter an age past their fertility peak without being married (statistics show within the coming decade 50% of women will be unmarried by the age of 30, an unreal statistic.

I pose this question to everyone who says that women should have an equal education to men, why do some jobs reject overqualification? Have you ever pondered it. A women will always want to marry up, yet if she is overqualified (also has a degree, similar salary, etc) she will want as much of a say (rightly) as you as she is bringing just as much to the table, so she has earned her spot. Yet, she isn’t content with this, women want to be led not be the one leading. They are now modern in every aspect of life outside the home, yet still yearn to be traditional inside the home, especially responsibility-wise (leadership, paying bills, as it is in her natural feminine disposition to crave for safety and security).

If women’s education is the apex of civilisation and inclusion of 50% of the workforce leading to all this development, why is modern society so depressed, confused and frustrated with the outcome? Most people are discontent, they are yearning to be married or at best acquiescently married someone hastily to avoid single life. Truly ask yourself this, has this way of living, the modern way, with women having degrees and in the workforce and by extension unable to marry while men, who less than a century ago would have been good candidates to marry for majority of women, are being rejected based on mediocrity (which really means similar education & finances, which doesn’t suffice a women today).

Finally, the last point and probably the most crucial is the misunderstanding between formal institutional education and naturally being educated. The smartest people I have ever known were autodidacts, the most intellectual people I know aren’t intellect because of their schooling but rather in spite of their schooling, as they perused through books, had insatiable curiosity and looked beyond the parochial curriculum of schooling. To have a degree doesn’t mean to be educated. Education system, and more specifically the Western education model is intended to propagate and brainwash its students into their ideology. Yes its paradigm its built upon exploring ideas correct, however the exploration starts and stops within a secular space, so is that really education.
 

Sup

Anti Qabilist - Somali Patriot


I watched this video made by Umm Khalid (Daniel Haqiqatjou’s wife) and I think she made a good case why woman should not generally pursue higher education but they should prioritize motherhood and family instead. Even though I don’t agree with the Taliban’s (alleged) decision to ban higher education for woman, I don’t think higher education is necessary for most woman since woman are not obligated to be providers, they could just get married to a financially stable man who would look after and take care of them. Also I think as Muslims living in the West, if we choose to remain in the West then we should ban our daughters from attending universities/colleges. Anyone who isn’t living under a rock would know that Western Universities/colleges are breeding grounds for Atheism, marxism, feminism, heresy, hookup culture and all Anti-Islamic ideas. We shouldn’t expose our daughters to such an environment.
Absolutely !!!
Every women deserves and needs education. Just because they attend a β€œwestern, liberal” university, doesn’t mean they don’t know how to think for themselves. Brother you need to be a bit open minded, I’m sure you have a family of your own. Would you want them deprived of their basic human rights. Remember in the sight of Islam, women have more rights over us then we have over them.
 

AdoonkaAlle

Ragna qowl baa xira, dumarna meher baa xira.
Brother, do you honestly think they care? In my area at least 40-50% of older Somali women work in care washing the backsides of gaals since conservatives crunch down on government assistance. Some of these women are divorced, widowed or even married and need work in many cases with no fault of the husband (illness, old age and ect).

We already know that statistically world wide women are the poorest demographic as it's very easy for them to be widowed but lacking skills to fend for themselves. Its also hilarious they used the Zina and education arguments when it is facts that the vast majority of prostitutes and only fan girls are not educated and from poorer backgrounds. I'm mentioning this because according to Haqoq women going to college leads this.

Also, how do we claim alimony is haram which it is, but expect women to fend for themselves post divorce, yet ban them from education. How will they look after themselves? Care? Insert any other back breaking job? Funnily enough, in the digital age, educated women can easily find themselves high paying online jobs, but an educated woman would have to leave her house.
Can we as a society claim to care about women?



LOL, do you think they care? They're trying to position marriage to one of survival for women, which gives greater access to struggling men. That is what this is about. For the small % of men who are anti-education believe so because of their manosphere marriage market belief that since a lot of women are getting educated and thus more money and unfortunately a subsection of working class men are struggling, this is resulting in these men not having acess to women. Theyre quiet open with their arguments now.

Boils down to their sexim taking over their logic. A brother I saw on twitter made me think and what he says makes sense. The whole argument derives from the idea of Muslim women being intellectually weaker and more prone to promiscuity. That is the only logical explanation as to why they could argue that women are banned and men are not as in the context of the West, Brothers can be trained in plumbing, building and electrians.

But I highly doubt they're that deranged. I think its mostly due to anxiety surrounding marriage market of men.

Forget that, in an era in which people are grappling with iman, how do you think this will play out? One Afghan brother was talking about this in the context of Afghanistan.

Parents can only be vigilant if they're educated themselves. There are subtle talking points in which kids are exposed to and only parents with actual critical thinking and understanding can converse with their kids about this and sway them away.

It will simply result in disgruntled and resentful women who will spend most of their days on the internet being exposed to far worse than the classroom.

Yep, having our Muslim schools will help, but we can only do that with better organization and men and women as a community coming together, not through division.

I think home schooling, Islamic schools and Muslim women educator groups will do wonders, but again that will only work if women are educated.


Both haqiqatjou & his wife come from liberal backgrounds, this is why they're more focued on them than any other challenges out there. Their first hand experience of living life with such a worldview is what they're trying to warn muslims about. Unfortunately they do go beyond the limits in their approaches and solutions when tackling these issues


Not everyone who's against taclinta sare for dumarka have hatred for them, some do have very legitimate concerns, the problem lies with the approach & solutions proposed to tackle them. The problem at hand is a societal one that demands alot of resources be put into it to fix it, so far there hasn't been nor do i believe there'll ever be an islamic solution that is able to solve it whilst muslims are living in gaalo countries.

Muslims don't have the necessary islamic framework to solve the problem as the system of these gaalo has a different worldview than the islamic one & gaalada will never allow alternatives to theirs. Even islamic schools are being closed down and have states routinely interfere with their running so as to ensure that they adhere to government policies especially with issues like gender equality, sex education etc


Muslim in the west are facing a slow death, you don't have to go far just take a look in this site and look at the discussions that take place. Very many have adopted worldviews that aren't in line with diinta, some have left diinta etc all of this isn't a coincidence. It's against this backdrop that people react on impulse and jump to hasty conclusions, i'm referring to the genuine ones.
 
The responses have been extremely underwhelming and have not mostly gone beyond the surface level imo.
I agree with Daniel and his wife on this topic matter.
Firstly, the fundamental point beyond anything else such as impressionability is that men are more successful in the productive sphere of work (better negotiators, better handlers of stress, better dedication) while women are obviously more successful in the reproductive sphere (motherhood). In every single line of work now, we are told to emphasise on division of labour, to divide work up to whoever is more efficient and effective at undertaking it right? So why is the family household any different? My wife is greater at being at home, looking after the children, and building a liveable, Islamic home that has warmth and tranquility, while I am far more capable, motivated, powerful in bringing food to the table than most women due sheerly to my masculinity. So the first argument is the division of labour, which the modern world bangs on about yet chooses to abandon when it comes to the family home (as there is a global agenda to split the traditional family home apart).
Secondly, women are hypergamous by nature (have a natural inclination to mate up, hence the constant and endless demand by most women being: I want a man who is stronger, taller, richer, smarter, etc than me). This isn’t bad in and of itself, however the issue is they end up shooting themselves and society in the foot when they go to university and most get average jobs, as the average women will now look to get above average men and the above average women will also look to get above average men, which means women will have a far smaller selection of men to choose from for marriage, this is the marriage crisis. Which leads inevitably to men committing zina, however, as exigently pressing on the women’s behalf, it leads to unfortunately many women who enter an age past their fertility peak without being married (statistics show within the coming decade 50% of women will be unmarried by the age of 30, an unreal statistic.

I pose this question to everyone who says that women should have an equal education to men, why do some jobs reject overqualification? Have you ever pondered it. A women will always want to marry up, yet if she is overqualified (also has a degree, similar salary, etc) she will want as much of a say (rightly) as you as she is bringing just as much to the table, so she has earned her spot. Yet, she isn’t content with this, women want to be led not be the one leading. They are now modern in every aspect of life outside the home, yet still yearn to be traditional inside the home, especially responsibility-wise (leadership, paying bills, as it is in her natural feminine disposition to crave for safety and security).

If women’s education is the apex of civilisation and inclusion of 50% of the workforce leading to all this development, why is modern society so depressed, confused and frustrated with the outcome? Most people are discontent, they are yearning to be married or at best acquiescently married someone hastily to avoid single life. Truly ask yourself this, has this way of living, the modern way, with women having degrees and in the workforce and by extension unable to marry while men, who less than a century ago would have been good candidates to marry for majority of women, are being rejected based on mediocrity (which really means similar education & finances, which doesn’t suffice a women today).

Finally, the last point and probably the most crucial is the misunderstanding between formal institutional education and naturally being educated. The smartest people I have ever known were autodidacts, the most intellectual people I know aren’t intellect because of their schooling but rather in spite of their schooling, as they perused through books, had insatiable curiosity and looked beyond the parochial curriculum of schooling. To have a degree doesn’t mean to be educated. Education system, and more specifically the Western education model is intended to propagate and brainwash its students into their ideology. Yes its paradigm its built upon exploring ideas correct, however the exploration starts and stops within a secular space, so is that really education.
Thanks, you’ve proven my point. This has nothing to do with Islam but manosphere talking points. β€˜Hypergamy’, women β€˜shooting’ themselves. This is about catering to a subsection of men who are unable to get ahead financially and economically, hence the solution is to clip the intellectual and financial wings of women, hence average men can get access to average women.

You’re part of the manosphere. We can all see that. Welcome to Sspot though.
 
Last edited:

Trending

Latest posts

Top