Jokes on you cause I’m not a Salafi. Some Salafis would consider me an innovator for being an Ash’ari but that’s not relevant to what we’re discussing here.
Should woman pursue higher education?
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Woman are not Low-IQ but let’t not be ridiculous here, woman are generally more impressionable then men and are physically weaker than men on average, that’s just reality. If I had a 16 year old son for example, I would be less concerned with him staying outside in the dark at midnight then I would do with my 16 year old daughter since men are physically stronger on average and they’re less likely to be harassed compared to women and they can handle tough environments better than woman.
Now i’m aware of the weirdos online who want to completely ban woman’s education and are celebrating it which I don’t agree with but there’s some partial truth to their argument which cannot be overlooked which is the extent of Fitnah that goes on in the Western education system which is not negligible and it’s extremely dangerous.
Also the video I linked isn’t Daniel explaining his thoughts, it’s his wife speaking about her experience at Harvard and she articulated her argument well. You should watch it.
Thank you, this is what i’m trying to say. I want woman to learn in a healthy environment. A lot of people are ignoring the fact that atheism and feminism is prevalent and dominant in Western universities.
Show me your evidence. Being weaker in body has nothing to do with intellect or being overall impressionable. Also, impressionable how so? We know that men struggle more with viewing corn and that supposedly women are a fitnah for men and that men feel more desire and temptations. That is according to you brothers. The goal is forever shifting right?
Thanks for proving my point. The only way you can actually make the argument you’re making is by making the claim that women are much more likely to become kufr or be promiscuous and anyone with an ounce of common sense can’t take that seriously.
What does that have to do with education? Stick to the topic. We’re not talking about the physical body here. Stop conflating the two, a woman getting beat up at university? What does that have to do with anything?
This is what I find scary about some subsection of Muslim community. Walal, what you displayed here is lack of critical thought and strawman fallacy. Your point here has nothing to do with what we’re discussing and I know you’re probably I hope smart enough to understand that, but you have no logical rebuttal and you know it.
This is the levels of thought we’re reached. Comparing physical threat to university. Also, the Zina argument which is the original one is very funny because I thought women are a fitnah to men? Don’t men supposedly have higher desires? That is the excuse brothers make with regards to corn. They talk about their ‘weakness’ with regards to women and use the Quran as proof, but now all of a sudden men can handle temptation more than women. Wallahi that is indeed funny and an example of mental gymnastics and shifting of the goal post women must endure.
Western education system can also impact men. Hence if you care about the imaan of men which is even more important than provision, you should tell them to stop going uni. Trade is better.
Also, what is a fact is that corn is a huge issue within the male Muslims. How about we cut of their internet? It does sound insane right?
It’s very telling that you can’t logically combat my argument because you know it’s ridiculous. So ridiculous, you need to come with silly examples about physicality when we’re talking about education and the mind.
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I'm not saying by this that I'm for or against it but I think it's worth noting that on a mass scale it is racial suicide.
Personally I wouldn't prevent it but I wouldn't encourage it either unless it was some sort of Islamic education.
Personally I wouldn't prevent it but I wouldn't encourage it either unless it was some sort of Islamic education.
I couldn't care less, all those weird names just reek of khaawarij.
Atheism also impacts Muslim men. Do you believe that more Muslim women fall into Kufr and Zina? Answer that question. But funny isn’t it that we doubt the mental fortitudes of women, when they convert to Islam more than men.
As of late, a lot of Muslim men have fallen into redpill, even Daniel is interviewing them. Why is feminism worse then redpill? Do you not see how you lot are trying to insult the intelligence of Muslim women? You argue about feminism whilst simultaneously promoting redpill filth world view . The hypocrisy and dishonesty is clear to see. So many Muslim men are falling into Alt-right facism and redpill, yet not once do they care about the ideologies men are exposed to.
Hence to reiterate, do you think women fall into kufr and Zina more than men? That is the only way in which your argument to ban women becomes logical as men don’t need to go university as well. In fact, they have more avenues for employment than women through trades like building, plumbing and the like.
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Hamzza
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Ya Jāhil! Do you know the meaning of Khawārij and what's meant to be a Khāriji?
This stance is advocated by the same kind of people who say "My wife or daughter must see a female gynecologist", buddy this is a field that requires 7+ years of specialized higher education that your against providing. You'll have to find a gaal that is qualified because you bared the women of your community from knowledge. How embarrassing.
They will also be the first to say "My children will be homeschooled". Most teachers spend 4+ years in higher education getting masters and some even Phd's just to be qualified in educating children. How will your uneducated wife provide enough philosophical rigor and knowledge to compensate for this level of schooling? The answer is she can't.
At the end of the day this ideology is foreign to Somali men, educating our wives, daughters, and sisters is viewed as something honorable, and for marriage prospects having a degree is a positive. Stop getting involved in these issues that stem from other muslim communities due to their own cultural contexts and biases.
They will also be the first to say "My children will be homeschooled". Most teachers spend 4+ years in higher education getting masters and some even Phd's just to be qualified in educating children. How will your uneducated wife provide enough philosophical rigor and knowledge to compensate for this level of schooling? The answer is she can't.
At the end of the day this ideology is foreign to Somali men, educating our wives, daughters, and sisters is viewed as something honorable, and for marriage prospects having a degree is a positive. Stop getting involved in these issues that stem from other muslim communities due to their own cultural contexts and biases.
Since you love them, go live with them.
My conclusion is yes because it'll help build a smarter society and future for a group of people. If 50% of a population doesn't have to worry about higher education and as a result stay in a position to not be what they can potentially be, this leaves less pressure on men for mating. This results in more average people. Here in Canada, most people would be turned off by a guy with no higher education because it'll signal that they may not be as intelligent as them. I believe most successful nations (without the reliance of natural resources) are successful because of this need to compete in a society with higher degrees of pressure. Also if I want to secure a better future for my children, it's better to find a woman with a higher level of education herself as it'll most likely correlate to more intelligent offspring.
It was pretty common when I was in university ngl
Who tf is Haqiqatjou
We all know men are doing bad in school right now see male college crisis.
And almost no successful man in his right mind will marry an uneducated woman living in poverty. Assortative mating is a thing. If you want to marry a doctor, it helps to be a lawyer.
So stop this mindset it will keep you poor. Our parents came from Somalia to qurbaha to give us a future. These Arabs and reverts salafis will make you poor. A never ending cycle.
We all know men are doing bad in school right now see male college crisis.
And almost no successful man in his right mind will marry an uneducated woman living in poverty. Assortative mating is a thing. If you want to marry a doctor, it helps to be a lawyer.
So stop this mindset it will keep you poor. Our parents came from Somalia to qurbaha to give us a future. These Arabs and reverts salafis will make you poor. A never ending cycle.
That is the crux of the issue and all of these charlatan’s are trying to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes, well maybe accept that Haqoqat guy who is pretty open about it. Women’s intellectual and financial potential needs to be clipped and punished as some men simply can’t compete in this ever changing world, hence limiting the growth of women is easier rather than actually attempting to be better men.
It’s all about men having easier access to women and positioning marriage back to survival so that even the most average of men have a chance of securing a woman who probably wouldn’t give him a chance if she was able to seek an education. Its basic redpill 101 mixed with leftist ideology positioned as Islamic. For all their hatred of ‘ideologies’ some of these Islamofacists use left-wing Marxist ideology when it suits them by arguing how middle class women are ‘stealing’ the jobs of poor men. These lot will even utilize class arguments probably inspired by Western sociological speaking points. Oh the irony! They’ll tell Muslim women that all of these Ideologies are haram and brainwashing us whilst simultaneously using those very talking points against us.
Yep, to counteract that they want all women to be a class below men, hence what will happen in their ideal world is that even the most average of men will have slightly more education and obviously financial resources above the vast majority of women.
They’re not concerned about having a better society with a better economy and standard of living. As it boils down to gender relations and control. They’ll gamble the prosperity of a nation if it means uneducated teen brides. They’re not trying to create a functioning society and that is why their argument can easily be pulled apart.
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Prince of HS
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Your spewing this nonsense to the wrong community. Somalis take pride in educating their daughters and women.
what DOESN'T make you happy?yes, in our community the sisters outnumber us in higher education and professional careers. it makes me so happy
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Ragna qowl baa xira, dumarna meher baa xira.
My biggest concern is that people overlook the situation of the everyday Muslim before they go on to make generalisations. The assumptions are very idealistic & don’t reflect reality on the ground.
It’s very easy to tell a woman she shouldn’t pursue HE & needs to find herself a financially stable guy laakin what if she doesn’t? Who’s going to pay for all her expenses & that of her aging parents in the meantime? Which masjid or group of imams is going to help such women & their families? What if the guy she finds has good deen etc but isn’t financially well off ?
Furthermore what makes muslim men immune to atheism, hookup culture & whatnot ? All of these vices are part & parcel of the schooling system from kindergarten, nursery all the way to HE.
We also have to consider the possibility how parents are able to stop their daughters from attending HE in an era where young children are taught to believe in their absolute autonomy. So how in the world will they stop an adult woman from doing what she wants
It’s good to advice about the dangers associated with schooling where children are indoctrinated to accept unislamic teachings worldviews etc & inform parents to vigilant about what their kids are taught & ensure that they ground them on diinta themselves.
Stopping daughters from HE isn’t feasible nor a holistic approach most importantly it will not protect them from the issues that were mentioned. This solution doesn’t tackle the issue at hand and merely deals with the symptoms.
The current education system has been designed that way so as to ensure that children turn out the way these gaalo governments want them to. It’s not coincidence that lgbt, sexual liberty etc, is being taught to very young kids
Children are up against an entire government bent on dictating to them what is morally acceptable & what not at their most vulnerable & receptive age. Focusing on just HE is a lost cause as by that time their fitrah has been affected as they already espouse problematic views.
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If universities are filled with so much haram why not prevent men from going too? Or it is just women that commit sins?
Can’t believe we’ve come to this point, debating whether women should be educated or not. Extremism is a disease.
Can’t believe we’ve come to this point, debating whether women should be educated or not. Extremism is a disease.
