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Shiine Culay sends message to his people of Badhan District, Somaliland

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First he was pro SFG and Farmaajo ,
then he switched to Puntland and Deni
and now this. :mjlol:
 

Thegoodshepherd

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He said the only reason a person from his clan would he against somaliland is tribalism. There's no other reason that they have to deny Jamhuriyada Barakaysan:mjdontkno:

No other reason?

In a united Somalia Warsangeli are a majority clan; in a divided Somalia they are a minority clan.

In a united Somalia there are no borders between Bosaso and Badhan, in a divided Somalia Warsangeli are cut in two.

The problem Somalis have is that they can’t dispassionately analyze the viewpoint of an enemy clan. When HG kill some MJ herder somewhere I don’t think these people are tribal and evil, I think the HG made a rational choice to eliminate an enemy that was grazing on land they believe belongs to them. There is no morality involved in Somali politics, there is only xoog.

You kill me and take my land so I kill you and take your land, there is no right or wrong here just xoog. Talking about morality in the Somalia context is like talking about morality on the Serengeti.
 
No other reason?

In a united Somalia Warsangeli are a majority clan; in a divided Somalia they are a minority clan.

In a united Somalia there are no borders between Bosaso and Badhan, in a divided Somalia Warsangeli are cut in two.

The problem Somalis have is that they can’t dispassionately analyze the viewpoint of an enemy clan. When HG kill some MJ herder somewhere I don’t think these people are tribal and evil, I think the HG made a rational choice to eliminate an enemy that was grazing on land they believe belongs to them. There is no morality involved in Somali politics, there is only xoog.

You kill me and take my land so I kill you and take your land, there is no right or wrong here just xoog. Talking about morality in the Somalia context is like talking about morality on the Serengeti.

You argued against the reasons being tribal then just listed more tribalistic reasons :ohlord:
 

Thegoodshepherd

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This word tribalism does a lot of the heavy lifting.

Example of tribal reasoning that is rational and self interested:

Warsangeli man: I don’t want Ceel Daahir and Yubbe to be separated by a border. I want my clan to remain united under a single political entity.

This is normal human behavior. People want to preserve the unity of their social group. It is a kind of extended self interest and care for one’s own.

Warsangeli man: I oppose Somaliland because it is an Isaaq clan project, and I will continue to oppose it even if it stops claiming my clan’s territory.

This is abnormal, irrational human behavior. It is this kind of thinking that should be called tribalism. A hatred of other clans for no reason.

The first example has nothing to do with tribalism.
 
This word tribalism does a lot of the heavy lifting.

Example of tribal reasoning that is rational and self interested:

Warsangeli man: I don’t want Ceel Daahir and Yubbe to be separated by a border. I want my clan to remain united under a single political entity.

This is normal human behavior. People want to preserve the unity of their social group. It is a kind of extended self interest and care for one’s own.

Warsangeli man: I oppose Somaliland because it is an Isaaq clan project, and I will continue to oppose it even if it stops claiming my clan’s territory.

This is abnormal, irrational human behavior. It is this kind of thinking that should be called tribalism. A hatred of other clans for no reason.

The first example has nothing to do with tribalism.

Shiine Culay: The only reason that a Warsangeli person would be against Somaliland is due to tribalism?

thegoodshephered: the only reason? lists only tribal reasons

If your intention was to agree with Shiine Culay, you succeeded.
 
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Thegoodshepherd

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Shiine Culay: The only reason that a Warsangeli person would be against Somaliland is due to tribalism?

thegoodshephered: the only reason? lists only tribal reasons

If you're intention was to agree with Shiine Culay, you succeeded.

It is bad for the economic and social wellbeing of the Warsangeli to be split by a border. Creating customs checkpoints between Bosaso-Badhan, Dahar-Qardho would be detrimental to the interests of Warsangeli.

Somaliland as a project runs against the grain of the political/economic interests of the Dhulbahante and Warsangeli. This fact, more than anything, is why a Somaliland based on the borders set by the British will not gain independence.

No one is going to volunteer to become like Cafar in Djibouti.

:jaynerd:
 

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