Yes, I've read that excerpt from Kashf Al Shubuhat and found it to be in line with the past scholarship before Miaw and not as controversial as you are trying to portray it. Now I ask you the same question, did you read the interesting quotes from the scholars that I shared in the second post of the thread?
The Ayah 39:3 doesn't state that the pagans have affirmed an aspect of Rububiyyah. Merely taking awliya(idols) besides Allah is not an affirmation of Attributes of lordship for their false gods, otherwise the Mushrikeen would have not said the only benefit we want from our idols is to bring us closer to Allah. Why would someone who takes guardians beside Allah say I want nothing from them except to bring us closer to Allah when his idols already protect him, besides God? The Ayah becomes incoherent or the pagans are lying if we take your flawed interpretation.
It's funny, how you ignored the opinions of the ulema who classed this act as kufr similar to the Shirk of the pagans of Qureys citing as proof the same Ayah in Surah Zumr. Now you're in a difficult position; either you accuse Al Hajjawy, Al Razi Al Mardawi, Al Labadi, Al Buhuti, and the others of not understanding what Tawheed and Shirk are as you first arrogantly claimed with Imam Mohammed ibn Abdul Wahhab or admit you are wrong.
As I already said Imam Mohammed ibn Abdul Wahhab didn't invent anything new and his works are in line with the Mu'tamad of the Hanbali madhab.
Since you claim those statements from miaw is in line with past scholarship i want you to bring actual statements from classical scholars confirming that pagans had tawheed rububiyyah & were only guilty of shirk in worship.
Having said that i want you to give me an explanation as to how one can have tawheed rububiyyah while being guilty of kufr in rububiyyah. In your statement you affirm that the pagans denied Allah's ability to resurrect the dead laakin miaw says their kufr was due to their devotion to other than Allah ie worshipping others
Opposite of Tawheed is Shirk, yes they denied Allah's ability to resurrect the dead but they didn't ascribe them to their idols is the point.
“And that which I have mentioned to you – that Allaah the Most High has mentioned that the mushriks affirm ruboobeeyah, and that their kufr was due to their devoting themselves to the angels and the prophets and the awliyaa (beloved servants of Allaah) with their statement: «These are our intercessors with Allaah!»26 - then this is a muhkam clear matter, whose meaning no one can change!
How is it you an average muslim affirm that the pagans committed kufr in rububiyyah laakin miaw claims otherwise ? yet despite this contradiction you nonetheless claim that miaw was in line with past scholarship
Indeed, sincere devotion is due ˹only˺ to Allah. As for those who take other awliya (protector/guardian/supporter) besides Him, ˹saying,˺ “We only worship them that they may bring us nearer to Allāh." Indeed, Allāh will judge between them concerning that over which they differ. Indeed, Allāh does not guide whoever persists in lying and disbelief. 39:3
In the ayah Allah tells us that the mushriks, took wali(s) besides Him and called them liars. Taking a wali besides Allah in the context of ayah is shirk, my question to you is what type of shirk is it ? Al Wali is one of the names & attributes of Allah affirming it to others besides Him as in the context of the ayah is shirk rububiyyah.
In fact the phrase taking a wali other than Allah is repeated in numerous ayat like in 6:14, where tabari says the following
" قل أغير الله أتخذ وليًّا " ، قال: أما " الولي"، فالذي يتولَّونه ويقرّون له بالربوبية .
Say, shall i choose as a supporter/ protector someone other than Allah.
He said, as for
Al Wali He's the one whom they take and affirm rububiyyah for him.
The reason why i didn't bother with those statements is simply because you were selectively quoting, imposing your understanding on what's being said. Take for instance that ayah of surah younus
And
they worship other than Allāh that which neither harms them nor benefits them, and they say, "These are our intercessors with Allāh." Say, "Do you inform Allāh of something He does not know in the heavens or on the earth?" Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him.
In the ayah itself we read that these mushriks were worshipping other than Allah, now how is this similar to a muslim who seeks intercession from the Prophet ﷺ ? have you ever seen any muslim claiming they're actually worshipping those at the graves ?
Look at what imam razi has to say about the intercession of the mushriks
Imam al-Razi, in his Quranic commentary for the verse 40:18, writes:
إن القوم كانوا يقولون في الأصنام إنها شفعاؤنا عند الله وكانوا يقولون إنها تشفع لنا عند الله من غير حاجة فيه إلى إذن الله، ولهذا السبب رد الله تعالى عليهم ذلك بقوله
{ مَن ذَا ٱلَّذِى يَشْفَعُ عِندَهُ إِلاَّ بِإِذْنِهِ }[البقرة: 255]
He (rahimahullah) explains (roughly) that the polytheists say their idols are an intercessor to Allah and that they intercede with Allah
without requiring the permission of Allah and it is for this reason that Allah says: “
Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission?“[2:255]
Thereafter Imam al-Razi continues:
{فهذا يدل على أن القوم اعتقدوا أنه يجب على الله إجابة الأصنام في تلك الشفاعة، وهذا نوع طاعة، فالله تعالى نفى تلك الطاعة بقوله { مَا لِلظَّـٰلِمِينَ مِنْ حَمِيمٍ وَلاَ شَفِيعٍ يُطَاعُ
He says, this indicates that those people believed
Allah must answer those idols intercession, and this is a kind of obedience. Allah Almighty has denied that obedience by saying {
For the wrongdoers there will be no devoted friend and no intercessor [who is] obeyed.} [Quran 40:18]
So the following matters are addressed here with regards to the intercession as believed by the polytheists:
1) They took idols as an intercessor.
2) They believed these idols will intercede without requiring any permission of Allah.
3) They believed that Allah must obey and answer to the intercession of these idols.
How many muslims do you know of that have such beliefs as the above ?
Miaws 2nd nullifier happens to be a Nullifier of Islam for nearly all the muta'khiriin Hanabilah let us look:
Hajjawy said in his book al Iqna the chapter of apostasy:
وقال: أو جعل بينه وبين الله وسائط يتوكل عليهم ويدعوهم ويسألهم الشفاعة إجماعا. انتهى
Ibn Muflih said in his book al Furoo in the chapter on apostasy:
قال: أو جعل بينه وبين الله وسائط يتوكل عليهم ويدعوهم ويسألهم
Al Mirdawi said in his book Al Insasf in the chapter on apostasy:
قال الشيخ تقي الدين رحمه الله: وكذا الحكم لو جعل بينه وبين الله وسائط يتوكل عليهم ويدعوهم ويسألهم إجماعا
So is the ruling(kufr) for the person who puts intermediaries between himself and god, relying on them asking from them. By consensus(i.e. it's Kufr by Ijma).
Al Bahuti said:
وقال: أو جعل بينه وبين الله وسائط يتوكل عليهم ويدعوهم ويسألهم إجماعا انتهى) أي كفر لأن ذلك كفعل عابدي الأصنام قائلين: {ما نعبدهم إلا ليقربونا إلى الله زلفى)
Mari' Al Karmi said in his book Qaya al Muntaha:
أو جعل بينه وبين الله وسائط يتوكل عليهم ويدعوهم ويسألهم كفر إجماعا
Or he puts intermediaries between himself and God, he disbelieved by Ijma
Imam Mohammed ibn Abdul Wahhab said in Nawaqid al Islam:
من جعل بينه وبين الله وسائط يدعوهم ويسألهم الشفاعة ويتوكل عليهم فقد كفر إجماعا".
ودليل ذلك قوله تعالى : ( وَيَعْبُدُونَ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ مَا لا يَضُرُّهُمْ وَلا يَنْفَعُهُمْ وَيَقُولُونَ هَؤُلاءِ شُفَعَاؤُنَا عِنْدَ اللَّه )
Look at what Fakhruddin al Razi Al Ashari Al Shafi said
Al Labbadi:
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he asks him due to him being nigher to Allah than him to be a mediator for him in these issues, then this is from the type of speech of the Mushrikeen: "We do not worship them except for them to bring us closer to Allah".
The problem with miaw 2nd nullifier is his understanding of tawheed & ibadah that forces to him to make takfir of actions that were allowed. Miaw considers asking intercession from the Prophet ﷺ to be major shirk yet this is something that has been recommended by classical ulama throughout islamic history.
No scholar in history a part from him & his follower has ever claimed that seeking intercession from the Prophet ﷺ is major shirk and amounts to making him an intermediary like the pagans did with their gods. Due to his deviation in tawheed etc he fails to distinguish between actions carried out by mushriks & those done by muslims hence the takfir
This is the problem with citing quotes without their proper context and understanding. More than that it's very dangerous to super impose one's own understanding to those statements when you know that they don't share your views.
Modern day salafis attach themselves to the hanabilah insofar as they reflect their own views, the moment they differ with them they adhere to miaw's teaching etc like in the case of seeking intercession with the Prophet ﷺ
