Sheikh umal vs suufi sheikhs

[nomand]

does anyone know why sheikh umal is holding a talk in xamar today? and what with the beef between umal and the suufis did umal really do a takfiir on them?

https://www.caasimada.net/shiikh-so...gu-jira-muqdishana-muxaadaro-kuma-qaban-karo/


Muqdisho (Caasimadda Online) – Shiikh Cabdulqaadir Shiikh Maxamed Shiikh Abuubakar (Sh. Soomow) oo ah Afhayeenka Golaha guud ee Culimada Soomaaliyeed ayaa ka hor imaaday muxaarado la sheegay inuu Berri Garoonka Eng. Yariisow ee Magaalada Muqdisho ku qaban doono Shiikh Umul oo dhawaan soo gaaray Magaalada.

Shiikh Soomow ayaa Shiikh Umul ku eedeeyey inuu sabab u yahay isaga fidnada iyo musiibada ka jirto dalka isla markaasna aan la aqbali karin inuu isaga qabto muxaarado ka hadleyso fidnada iyo sida looga hortagi karo musiibooyinka.

Shiikh Soomow ayaa Umul ku eedeyey inuu faafiyo Caqiido qaldan isla markaasna uu Culimada Ahlu Sunna ka aaminsan yahay inay yihiin Gaalo.

Wuxuu sheegay in culumo badan oo uu gaaleysiiyey dartiis ay qabri ugu jiraan dadka Muqdishana ay og yihiin arrintaas.


Soomow ayaa sidoo kale Umul ku eedeeyey inuu dhiira geliyo Ururka Al-Shabaab isla markaasna uu aaminsan yahay caqiidadooda.

Sidoo kale wuxuu ku eedeeyey inuu xalaaleeyey Hilibka Waraabaha, sidaas darteedna aan laga dhageysan karin muxaarado uu jeedinayo inta uu ka towbad keenayo dhammaan waxyaabahaas, isagoo intaas ku daray inaysan jirin fidno ka weyn in dadka laga lumiyo caqiidada saxda ah.

Dadka Muqdisho ayuu ugu baaqay inaysan ka qeybgelin muxaadaradaas, wuxuuna Dowladda Soomaaliya ku eedeeyey inay sameysay qalad weyn oo ah in Telefishinka Qaranka oo ah meel dadka laga hanuuniyo lasoo geliyo Shiikh Umul oo sheegayo inuu qabanayo muxaarado ku saabsan sida looga hortagi karo musiibooyinka.

 

[nomand]

this sheikh is accusing sheikh umal of grave things, has sheikh umal refuted these allegations ?

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

@nomand

Basically the issue boils down to a conflict of theology between him and umal hence the hostile reaction. They have irreconcilable views regarding certain aqeedah issues like veneration of past scholars/pious people and seeking intercession through them, making pilgrimage to their graves, mawlid, and also a whole list of contemporary issues.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

@nomand

Basically the issue boils down to a conflict of theology between him and umal hence the hostile reaction. They have irreconcilable views regarding certain aqeedah issues like veneration of past scholars/pious people and seeking intercession through them, making pilgrimage to their graves, mawlid, and also a whole list of contemporary issues.

all the things you mentioned is shirk,it breaks tawxiid to have an intercession by a dead person and Allah

you cannot venerate the dead and ask them to intercede for you between you and god, its shirk,

and so is making pilgrimage to their graves,

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

all the things you mentioned is shirk,it breaks tawxiid to have an intercession by a dead person and Allah

you cannot venerate the dead and ask them to intercede for you between you and god, its shirk,

and so is making pilgrimage to their graves,

I know but was giving examples and also pointing out to nomand the underlying reason behind the contention between the two sheikhs.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

I know but was giving examples and also pointing out to nomand the underlying reason behind the contention between the two sheikhs.

Nomand is marehan from dusamareeb galgaduud, these central somalia somalis are mostly sufi, they open saying its ok to ask a dead person for intercession, yet how little do they know, may Allah guide them, , the jews and Christians started this from the pagan we will go down their route if we o not stop and think,

 

[DR OSMAN]

Nomand is marehan from dusamareeb galgaduud, these central somalia somalis are mostly sufi, they open saying its ok to ask a dead person for intercession, yet how little do they know, may Allah guide them, , the jews and Christians started this from the pagan we will go down their route if we o not stop and think,

Intercession model if u understood it means 'prophet muhammad' will interceed on our behalf on judgement day and their are people who are not as good as the prophet but alot better then average muslim, hence 'awliyah'. Sufi is ancient and ironically the best islamic civilization developed from it which provides more evidence. Some of the religious knowledge written in the 'sufi' era and level of thought 'spiritually' is mind blowing. It's not this 'garbage' of 'how long your beard is' and salafism kkkk, plus since they have emerged the islamic world is in dark age. I consider them our 'zealots of the christian dark ages' or the 'christian crusaders sect' type.

They have identical idealogy. But I am suprised by 'sheikh umal' he is good though because he has 'studied' real knowledge field not just 'islam' but the ones who study just islam like majority of our sheikhs, waa useless. I consider 'sufism' like the 'harvard' of Islam, it requires the best mind to read it or contemplate it. Where-as Salafism is more 'high school' type of Islam, it's all around the basics and not open up for 'dialogue and discussion like academia' it's like high school, sit there, read, memorize, shut up and take your orders. It's quite off putting for inquisitive minds, it's ok for the average 3rd worlder I guess who can't mentally take the ancient sufi text so dismisses it.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Intercession if you want some Harvard level thought. Is not a way of worship as Islam forbids it. It's a way to humiliate yourself in front of allah and show no arrogance and put someone else before you that u feel who is better then you for allah.It's more a way to remove arrogance from yourself and show love to your fellow brother. Your not there yet ogaden boy you need the mind of academia to read things from different angles cause what ur doing is apply your 'fixed salafi' high school interpretation to 'intercession' I am following the standard of 'sufis' well the ancient ones who main goal was to show humility in the earth and before god and what better way to show that but to 'humiliate' yourself before god and not be like 'satan' an arrogant and think you can call the 'shots' or 'speak to god' when u want like your the boss or something.

Besides I am not even Sufi either. Nor Salafi. I read both as both have some good educated guys in either camp, u find brilliance not in one but in 'diverse' sources like academia teaches to read different journals and viewpoints, I do the same with Islam.

That's when I scream @Teeri-Alpha doqonki ogaden doolo laga qaadyee.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Bokh, Warder, Geladi all In Doolo. U need to explain it as u know the 'gabay' doqonki ogaden doolo laga qaadyee EXPLAINED IT WELL, your not explaining nothing that comes close to that GABAY. How do u ignore this and claim Dhulbahante or Id33r when they don't live in Doolo at all? the nigga who muscled his way in and shook makahil to the core was the reason for the gabay. I read that gabay and I never forget it wallahi, everytime I see an Ogaden, I just remember 'Doqonki ogaden doolo laga qaadyee' it's precise and direct, when u go to doolo u actually do see 'doolo split and shared' looooooooool meaning a nigga came in and muscled his way in

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Bokh, Warder, Geladi all In Doolo. U need to explain it as u know the 'gabay' doqonki ogaden doolo laga qaadyee EXPLAINED IT WELL, your not explaining nothing that comes close to that GABAY. How do u ignore this and claim Dhulbahante or Id33r when they don't live in Doolo at all? the nigga who muscled his way in and shook makahil to the core was the reason for the gabay. I read that gabay and I never forget it wallahi, everytime I see an Ogaden, I just remember 'Doqonki ogaden doolo laga qaadyee' it's precise and direct, when u go to doolo u actually do see 'doolo split and shared' looooooooool meaning a nigga came in and muscled his way in

doolow is 1005 in Ogaden hands you handicap half jarer, but think what ever you want, no 1door or Mj there saxib since 10,000 BC it has been Ogaden land, no shut up monkey boy, i have things to do,

 

[DR OSMAN]

doolow is 1005 in Ogaden hands you handicap half jarer, but think what ever you want, no 1door or Mj there saxib since 10,000 BC it has been Ogaden land, no shut up monkey boy, i have things to do,

Doolo is split/shared. Your western doolo, Majerten Eastern Doolo. Similar to Sanaag Western Sanaag Isaaq, Eastern Sanaag Warsangeli. Prior however it was fully ogaden your right, but u 'skip' over the Majerten dhaforqiq boys who pushed in and man handled that makahil boy and said 'dhulkani waa dhul la wada dego manta' kkkkk half iyo half kkkkk. Majerten Style. Imagine that 'arrogance' level after u shook that nigga up makahil, u then sent your elders for peace talks and said manta doolo qayb ana leh iyo qaybta kale idinka. Nigga imaagine I came to your manhandled u and then said half the house is mine kkkkk. I wish I pushed u out of western doolo so I can take the whole house lol. Nomad war is 'fair game' it's for pasture and livestock reasons. We never treat no somalis badly in 'city' though.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Doolo is split/shared. Your western doolo, Majerten Eastern Doolo. Similar to Sanaag Western Sanaag Isaaq, Eastern Sanaag Warsangeli. Prior however it was fully ogaden your right, but u 'skip' over the Majerten dhaforqiq boys who pushed in and man handled that makahil boy and said 'dhulkani waa dhul la wada dego manta' kkkkk half iyo half kkkkk. Majerten Style. Imagine that 'arrogance' level after u shook that nigga up makahil, u then sent your elders for peace talks and said manta doolo qayb ana leh iyo qaybta kale idinka. Nigga imaagine I came to your manhandled u and then said half the house is mine kkkkk. I wish I pushed u out of western doolo so I can take the whole house lol. Nomad war is 'fair game' it's for pasture and livestock reasons. We never treat no somalis badly in 'city' though.

xoolo boy, doolow is one of the counties of wardeer, dolow is owned by ogaden, bicidyan has always lived in geleedi,

the confusion is the entire gobal was renamed doolow in 2017, but doloow was originally one of the counties in Wardeer gobal, keep boasting, end of the day you are fed with Ogaden gus as we are the president for you MJs and 1door in DDS ahhahaha

 

[DR OSMAN]

Dayum Rageedi 'ilay' shoot first and inspect later, bal eeg sidu maydkooda uu tiriniyo. Halka @embarassing is fleeing from them in refugee camp. Oromo fear Ogaden not Hawiye or DIR no wonder they can assimilate jaarso, gurgure, etc. Its cause of FEAR tactics and manhandling jaarso and gurgure so much they gave up. Babile is next

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Teeri-Alpha it seems like 'ogaden' view 'oromo' as a 'pest' cuz the ONLF doesn't turn them into 'major issue' like the Amhara. why is that? Is it cause u know they don't know how to fight? I heard oromo are weak fighters ma run ba? amhara dont move like rock. Yo @embarassing babile needs Ogaden help wallahi, cid kale ka adag oromo DDSI ma arki, jaarso, gurgure waa is dhibeen to oromo adiguna malin walbo 'cabaad iyo qaylo ayaa haysa' kkkkk. Ask ogaden to deal with them. He can clearly handle them quickly and efficiently. No wonder oromo cry about OGADEN the most, never heard an ogaden even mention them, only hear dir and hawiye crying about oromo but never ogaden runti.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

Nomand is marehan from dusamareeb galgaduud, these central somalia somalis are mostly sufi, they open saying its ok to ask a dead person for intercession, yet how little do they know, may Allah guide them, , the jews and Christians started this from the pagan we will go down their route if we o not stop and think,

Majority of somalis are of sufi background and have been for a long time, problem is that sufis are very diverse so the problem isn't the group one belongs to per say but the convictions and beliefs of said group. That's why it's important to look at each sub group accordingly and be careful in generalising.

Alot of the times when people refer to sufi they're most certainly thinking of those that support the above actions and not any other group. Furthermore for some muslims due to lack of knowledge associate islam with suufism as this is what they've only known. That's why it's important to deal with people accordingly and in a just manner.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Notice how the caghdeer soldiers always have sandle since its a very hot country and macawiis when they need to rest in the evening,

the caghdeer soldier was designed for warfare like the nazi germans, like the romans, like the Russians, waa ruthless in war, the cagheer is taught war from a young age,

this is an afternoon stroll for him, but on a serious note, this was caused by abiy and lama gersa the oromia president region who used to piss off cabdi iley,

cabdi iley used to defend moyaale garre dagodia and ciise in sitti/shaniley, somalis like mj, hawadly, HG, 1door if they tried we murked them too, AUN to the dead though, on both sides,

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

@DR OSMAN & @Teeri-Alpha sawiirada caynkas fadlan meesha ka joojiya

 

[DR OSMAN]

@DR OSMAN & @Teeri-Alpha sawiirada caynkas fadlan meesha ka joojiya

I love 'ancient' Islam, I don't like reading an Islam from a modern muslim society anything after colonial era till now cause they are in poverty, madness, hatred, war, ignorance, not developing one contribution to the world, it makes me wonder if their spiritual understanding is just as 'flawed' and I suspect it is, because of their 'environment'.

I wouldn't expect much also from someone living in the ghetto in america in a mental capacity sense to understand Islam, he hasn't developed his brain to study the world and physical surroundings which is all mathamatical. Remember the Quran says 'look at the signs and study it or ponder it'. Ponder means 'ka feker' calamdaha illahi. Fekerka wala nidaamiyay thru saynis it's called mathamatics since the physical world is made of numbers and various elements and laws and structured and sequences. I prefer ancient sufi text for that reason since it was from a time when the mind was developed strongly thru civilization. It's hard to 'grasp' I have to admit some of the topic, but the way I see it, it's like 'stair way' Islam with many levels, their is the basic level about morals, worship, fasting. But then there is high level stuff to take ur mind to next level and it's not 'basic' orientated but starts to go into 'deep concepts' I never even 'thought' about, it's clearly from 'developed' minds who knew the physical world and knowledges and hence their spiritual understanding increased.

Shabab or Saudi clerics do not impress me one bit bruv loooooool I know Somalis are jahil if they actually listening to shabab, they don't know religion at all that's why, they think anyone who prays and has a beard is 'good' total ignorance

 

[Farjano-Walad]

@Teeri-Alpha it seems like 'ogaden' view 'oromo' as a 'pest' cuz the ONLF doesn't turn them into 'major issue' like the Amhara. why is that? Is it cause u know they don't know how to fight? I heard oromo are weak fighters ma run ba? amhara dont move like rock. Yo @embarassing babile needs Ogaden help wallahi, cid kale ka adag oromo DDSI ma arki, jaarso, gurgure waa is dhibeen to oromo adiguna malin walbo 'cabaad iyo qaylo ayaa haysa' kkkkk. Ask ogaden to deal with them. He can clearly handle them quickly and efficiently. No wonder oromo cry about OGADEN the most, never heard an ogaden even mention them, only hear dir and hawiye crying about oromo but never ogaden runti.

let me share a secret, in 1999 tigra 155 men attacked 44 Ogaden men when ONLF were escorting their leader sheikh cabdullhi an Cabdalla Ogaden, out from DDS to kenya,

the tigra attacked and wanted to capture the ONLF leader, Tigra killed 5 Ogaden, ONLF killed 44 tigra, the tigra were so impressed they said men these Ogaden can really fight,

the oromo is considered a coward, he cannot fight, when tigra or ahmaar attack oromo they always sedn less of their men than the oromo, but when they attack Ogaden they always tried to find out how many caghdeer are fighting and send massive number ratio like 5 to 1 or 10 to 1, why

why?

because the Ogaden dies for country and Ogadeniya, he is willing to die, not scared, the tigra and ahmaar are also brave but tigra is more brave than ahmaaar, deep down the ahmaar always relies on many ethnic groups as his dogs like gurag, gurgure, shewa muslims, banshunguli etc,

the ahmaar is less brave than tigra, but deep down the tigra only respect the Ogaden, because the Ogaden has centuries of warfare skills and is always willing to listen and die for his Ogaden commanders, he looks at higher value, ancestors, deen, daqan, culture, etc


so when we killed 44 tigra and 5 ONLF dead, we escorted sheikh cabdullahi to nairobi and zinawi said wow Ogaden is bloody tough, these cagheers know how to fight and they will bring down Ethiopia if not stopped,


do you ever see an oromo messing with Ogaden borders? no way, in addition its the most ruthless ogaden, the mohamed zubeer,

oromo, tigra, ahmaar ask somalis if they are Ogaden or somalis, when they say somalis they attack them,

the Ogaden has this very strange sense of ruthlessness, he will burn down villages, he will act swift, he is a like an SS nazi unit, waa jewish when it comes to war,

when 3 liyu were killed by 1door, the liyu burned down an entire village with 43 people, 21 of them were the 1doors who picked up weapons,

do you ever see 1door messing with DDS border? he messes with puntland, djabouti etc, but when he hears its cagheer border, he will think twice,

the Ogaden looks down on the 1door as a savage, backward, killing his not considered inhumane,


look at the massive border we share, when cagjar sent soldiers to ciise/canfaar border, the canfaar sued for peace immediately,

war the Ogaden is like a Russian, ninyahow, he knows how to fight war but most importantly he knows how to preserve for a long time, he doesn't give up easily,


ONLF were attacked by alshabab, alshabab took out the eyes of onlf officer, out of cuqdad for ahmed madoobe, they kept doing this, the admiral onlf leader ordered alshabab is wiped out, onlf shot dead 43 alshabab, alshabab immediately stopped killing onlf

 

[DR OSMAN]

let me share a secret, in 1999 tigra 155 men attacked 44 Ogaden men when ONLF were escorting their leader sheikh cabdullhi an Cabdalla Ogaden, out from DDS to kenya,

the tigra attacked and wanted to capture the ONLF leader, Tigra killed 5 Ogaden, ONLF killed 44 tigra, the tigra were so impressed they said men these Ogaden can really fight,

the oromo is considered a coward, he cannot fight, when tigra or ahmaar attack oromo they always sedn less of their men than the oromo, but when they attack Ogaden they always tried to find out how many caghdeer are fighting and send massive number ratio like 5 to 1 or 10 to 1, why

why?

because the Ogaden dies for country and Ogadeniya, he is willing to die, not scared, the tigra and ahmaar are also brave but tigra is more brave than ahmaaar, deep down the ahmaar always relies on many ethnic groups as his dogs like gurag, gurgure, shewa muslims, banshunguli etc,

the ahmaar is less brave than tigra, but deep down the tigra only respect the Ogaden, because the Ogaden has centuries of warfare skills and is always willing to listen and die for his Ogaden commanders, he looks at higher value, ancestors, deen, daqan, culture, etc


so when we killed 44 tigra and 5 ONLF dead, we escorted sheikh cabdullahi to nairobi and zinawi said wow Ogaden is bloody tough, these cagheers know how to fight and they will bring down Ethiopia if not stopped,


do you ever see an oromo messing with Ogaden borders? no way, in addition its the most ruthless ogaden, the mohamed zubeer,

oromo, tigra, ahmaar ask somalis if they are Ogaden or somalis, when they say somalis they attack them,

the Ogaden has this very strange sense of ruthlessness, he will burn down villages, he will act swift, he is a like an SS nazi unit, waa jewish when it comes to war,

when 3 liyu were killed by 1door, the liyu burned down an entire village with 43 people, 21 of them were the 1doors who picked up weapons,

do you ever see 1door messing with DDS border? he messes with puntland, djabouti etc, but when he hears its cagheer border, he will think twice,

the Ogaden looks down on the 1door as a savage, backward, killing his not considered inhumane,


look at the massive border we share, when cagjar sent soldiers to ciise/canfaar border, the canfaar sued for peace immediately,

war the Ogaden is like a Russian, ninyahow, he knows how to fight war but most importantly he knows how to preserve for a long time, he doesn't give up easily,


ONLF were attacked by alshabab, alshabab took out the eyes of onlf officer, out of cuqdad for ahmed madoobe, they kept doing this, the admiral onlf leader ordered alshabab is wiped out, onlf shot dead 43 alshabab, alshabab immediately stopped killing onlf

Meel 'fowdo' ah maxaa ka sugaysa 'indhaha bay igala baxeen' kkkkkk. Wallahi I think Somalia will be the reason for Ogaden to Cut a deal with Amhara/Tigay and say 'we see something far worse then yourselves' kkkkk. I think their going to use Ethiopia as a base to switch Ethiopians to Pro JL in all matters or 'extensive war. Laying down roads to Kismaayo. But U need to go thru 'b22n' country. What is OG policy is it still 'ethio' centric or 'JL' centric cuz u got a 'lifeline port' for the first time? It's only kenyan OGS backing JL, Ethio OG wat the f*ck are they up too?