I noticed from the hijab thread that quite a few people prefer a secular government in Somalia even though they're Muslims. I'm personally against separation between the diin and government. Islam doesn't just cover the private life but also political and economical practices. It's also borderline deviance against Allah for a Muslim nation to choose secularism.
Sharia for Somalia?
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Islamic government is the best, secularism is Haram.
Praise be to Allah.
Secularism is a new philosophy and a corrupt movement which aims to separate religion from the state, and focuses on worldly matters, and worldly desires and pleasures; it makes this world the only goal in life, and forgets and ignores the Hereafter. It pays no attention to deeds pertaining to the Hereafter. The words of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) may be applied to the secularist: “Wretched is the slave of the dinar and the slave of the dirham and the slave of the khameesah (a kind of luxurious garment made of wool with patterns). If he is given he is pleased and if he is not given he becomes discontent. May he be wretched and doomed, and if he is pricked with a thorn may it not be pulled out (i.e., may he have no help to remove it).” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2887).
This description includes everyone who criticizes anything of the teachings of Islam in word or deed. The one who rules according to man-made laws and abolishes the rulings of sharee‘ah is a secularist; the one who permits forbidden things such as adultery, alcohol, music and usurious (riba-based) transactions, and believes that forbidding them is harmful to people and is narrow-mindedness which causes people to miss out on some benefits, is a secularist. The one who ban or objects to the carrying out of hadd punishments such as executing the murderer and stoning or flogging the adulterer and the drinker of alcohol, or cutting off the limbs of the thief or bandit, and claims that carrying out these punishments is inhumane, or that it is cruel and abhorrent, also comes under the heading of secularism.
With regard to the Islamic ruling concerning them, Allah, may He be exalted, says, describing the Jews (interpretation of the meaning):
“Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world”
[al-Baqarah 2:85].
Whoever accepts whatever suits him of the religion, such as laws on personal and family matters, and some acts of worship, and rejects whatever does not suit him, is included in this verse.
Similarly, Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Whosoever desires the life of the world and its glitter; to them We shall pay in full (the wages of) their deeds therein, and they will have no diminution therein.
They are those for whom there is nothing in the Hereafter but Fire; and vain are the deeds they did therein. And of no effect is that which they used to do”
[Hood 11:15-16].
The aims of the secularists are focused on worldly accumulation and pleasures, even it it is haraam and even if it prevents them doing the obligatory duties. Thus they are included in this verse and in the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Whoever wishes for the quick-passing (transitory enjoyment of this world), We readily grant him what We will for whom We like. Then, afterwards, We have appointed for him Hell, he will burn therein disgraced and rejected, ( far away from Allah’s Mercy)”
[al-Isra’ 17:18].
And there are other similar verses and hadeeths. And Allah knows best.
Shaykh ‘Abdullah ibn Jibreen (may Allah have mercy on him).
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/121550/what-is-secularism
Praise be to Allah.
Secularism is a new philosophy and a corrupt movement which aims to separate religion from the state, and focuses on worldly matters, and worldly desires and pleasures; it makes this world the only goal in life, and forgets and ignores the Hereafter. It pays no attention to deeds pertaining to the Hereafter. The words of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) may be applied to the secularist: “Wretched is the slave of the dinar and the slave of the dirham and the slave of the khameesah (a kind of luxurious garment made of wool with patterns). If he is given he is pleased and if he is not given he becomes discontent. May he be wretched and doomed, and if he is pricked with a thorn may it not be pulled out (i.e., may he have no help to remove it).” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2887).
This description includes everyone who criticizes anything of the teachings of Islam in word or deed. The one who rules according to man-made laws and abolishes the rulings of sharee‘ah is a secularist; the one who permits forbidden things such as adultery, alcohol, music and usurious (riba-based) transactions, and believes that forbidding them is harmful to people and is narrow-mindedness which causes people to miss out on some benefits, is a secularist. The one who ban or objects to the carrying out of hadd punishments such as executing the murderer and stoning or flogging the adulterer and the drinker of alcohol, or cutting off the limbs of the thief or bandit, and claims that carrying out these punishments is inhumane, or that it is cruel and abhorrent, also comes under the heading of secularism.
With regard to the Islamic ruling concerning them, Allah, may He be exalted, says, describing the Jews (interpretation of the meaning):
“Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world”
[al-Baqarah 2:85].
Whoever accepts whatever suits him of the religion, such as laws on personal and family matters, and some acts of worship, and rejects whatever does not suit him, is included in this verse.
Similarly, Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Whosoever desires the life of the world and its glitter; to them We shall pay in full (the wages of) their deeds therein, and they will have no diminution therein.
They are those for whom there is nothing in the Hereafter but Fire; and vain are the deeds they did therein. And of no effect is that which they used to do”
[Hood 11:15-16].
The aims of the secularists are focused on worldly accumulation and pleasures, even it it is haraam and even if it prevents them doing the obligatory duties. Thus they are included in this verse and in the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Whoever wishes for the quick-passing (transitory enjoyment of this world), We readily grant him what We will for whom We like. Then, afterwards, We have appointed for him Hell, he will burn therein disgraced and rejected, ( far away from Allah’s Mercy)”
[al-Isra’ 17:18].
And there are other similar verses and hadeeths. And Allah knows best.
Shaykh ‘Abdullah ibn Jibreen (may Allah have mercy on him).
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/121550/what-is-secularism
AhmedSmelly
I am an offical nacas. too honest
Its like saying God shouldnt interfere with humans and their politics. Allah knows best about everything, he knows everything about us. He knows that most rapes are done by few people, compared to the majority of people. Killing those rapists, will better the world, and make it safer.
Compared to the rest of the world, where they are given some years in prison and they are freed again. They wont stop when they are incarcerated. So dont drop the soap. They will still go on raping, when they are freed.
In Xamar they gave a pedophile 5 years jail for raping a boy. I would rather have no government, than a country with no sharia law. Somalia with no sharia, is not Somalia. Better to have anarchy, than sharia-less country.
Agree except the stoning part. The Quran clearly states the punishment for adultery is flogging and doesn't differentiate between the married and unmarried.
Medulla
Bah Qabiil Fluid
Who decides what form of shariah is implemented? The only issue I have with it , we have people like groups like ISIS who are adamant that their interpretations are correct. Who do we trust on this issue? It's all good and dandy calling them out cause we don't agree that doesn't fix the issue
Let's just say the branch that produced most prosperous caliphate/sultanate during Islams golden age.
Daacad90
Aspiring Buraanbur Artist.
Isis doesn't rule by sharia or any islamic law. Where are you getting your information from? Crusader.com?
Medulla
Bah Qabiil Fluid
Isis doesn't rule by sharia or any islamic law. Where are you getting your information from? Crusader.com?
It's what they call it doesn't mean I agree with it. I don't use crusader.com I use only stormfront :D
Daacad90
Aspiring Buraanbur Artist.
Stormfront kulaha
, to think I thought you were a kpop xaliimo...:siilaanyolaugh::siilaanyosmile:
Medulla
Bah Qabiil Fluid
Stormfront kulaha
That's it you've lost an ally against the tirade of anti-xalimo slander on this site. I'm going to find macawiis and join my brothers in the games !
Samira
Illuminated Xalimo
Both sharia and secularism lead to atheism. So boring! Why do we Somalis need to take the beaten path? Why can't we finally skip to Satanism like what this is all leading to? The jinns inform me that there is a deal on beneficial magical occurrences happening to kick off the new decade
Sxb, Islam encompasses all aspects of life
This includes how a ruler should govern their people
This includes how a ruler should govern their people
Daacad90
Aspiring Buraanbur Artist.
Ii caafi plsThat's it you've lost an ally against the tirade of anti-xalimo slander on this site. I'm going to find macawiis and join my brothers in the games !
Medulla
Bah Qabiil Fluid
Ii caafi pls
I need some time to gather my emotions , I don't even know why yall think I'm a chick LMFAOOOOO
Daacad90
Aspiring Buraanbur Artist.
Korean text= kpop?
AhmedSmelly
I am an offical nacas. too honest
Hahahahah you are just not knowledgeable enough to understand the hadith. Should I correct you in your mistkake. Or do you want to stay ignorant of the hadith and the prophets sunnah.
