Shabab Can Be Defeated Thru Intelligence

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  1. DR OSMAN

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    Shabab isn't going to be defeated thru an army, their not fighting like it's a war, their objective is to 'disrupt' the nation using an insurgency. The first thing we need to gather is their 'motive'. Is it idealogical? is it tribal? is it a mix of both? do they adapt to clan n faith? We need to find the 'root' cause of 'shabab' and when it was 'founded' and for what reason and by what clan? the root cause is always a 'give' away for their agenda.

    For example I know 'cayrow' split from ICU after some of their left to Eritrea to join the opposition of the Govt. Cayrow is 'cayr' and their clan has 'interests' in marka/barawe and currently holding it hostage and also other farming interests in that area. I suspect based on this I could be wrong but they fear a government because they may lose those areas to government forces and become civilians and those districts return back to the locals. I know they refused abdiqasim hassan salat, they then shoot off into shabab when sharif leaves to Eritrea to join the opposition to the government? why? their showing a correlation anytime governance is coming their creating another chaotic group.

    This HG clan also started the warlord 'era' which other clans 'copied', so I feel strongly by starting shabab they were luring other clans to continue this project of keeping any governance at bay.

    The other thing we need to determine is the 'source' of their 'idealogy' and begin 'studying' them as shabab will coordinate strategies from there in order to prepare. I know shabab uses the famous 'botnet' recruitment process. They infect 1 or 2 from each clan and gather them together to reasonable number and grab 'villages' and 'towns' and from there gain new recruits to increase their supply.

    Their not popular at all and appear to be a 'fringe' group like the KKK in America. Their 'motives' are clearly not 'somali orientated' because the world will never allow an Islamist nation, they refused it for egypt morsi, they will just isolate us thru economic sanctions like north korea, iran, etc. This can mean our nationals cannot even travel to Saudi or Dubai who are 'allies' of America just like Iran can't. We will live in a world where we outside the world order which is 'vacuum'. The only people that would want this is 'thugs' so it can be thugs paradise for them as they probably lack the drive or intelligence to work within a structured society.

    The other thing I noticed about Shabab is why aren't we creating a 'profile' of their 'attacks' we need to find correlations, how many 'bombs' they did, where they did it, who were the victims and intended targets. We need to develop a 'signature' for them because once we know the signature like a 'virus' we can develop an anti virus. But right now noone has defined the virus let alone develop anti virus. I say start with looking at their 'bomb' material and examine the sites and what material it's made of and begin 'tracing' it to the source market. It was made of 'parts' and where are they sourced, this is where you need to ensure u investigate.

    I would even check the person who killed himself or did bomb attack and find out 'history' of them before they did the attack. U need to start from childhood to middle years we will know the 'type' of people shabab recruits or if it's random or 'prepared' in advance. This can tell us how we respond. There is so many intelligence tactics u need to go thru training of intelligence because we do this with IT SECURITY because it's the same just on technologyical level because techonology needs 'amni' because data is important like your bank details, there are HG out there putting 'isbaaro' on the network and redirecting your network packets and deciphering it to find information. Yes HG are moryans always against the system.
     
  2. DR OSMAN

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    Amniga technology is so important it can disrupt the whole economy if people are not doing their work because of fear of HG moryans, there is no economy, we are in digital age now no more sending letters or even calling anymore is rare. Once hacker knows govt 'router' map, he will go to all the servers u connect to overseas and find the most vulnerable one to put a 'packet capture' somali data is prolly not even encypted but even if it was they can decrypt it.

    Thats why noone like usin public network for government, your data bounces off 20 servers before it reaches the destination, not all of them are 'secure' and in 'vulnerable' countries sometimes. That is just man in the middle attack. There is so many different attack style. Some is insider attack where he connects to your network and sends an email acting like his colleague to get u to download something. I know em all we have to prepare for them always to save australian data.

    Some even counterfeit your govt pass and act like their govt worker and say 'oh security my card seems not to work can u let me in so I speak to my manager'. Once in he has access to your hardware, laptops, pc, network. He starts look at the most vulnerable area.

    We had one brilliant one that noone saw coming. He had port scanner and scanned out networks to find what 'activity' is happening like email, web, and other services. He actually connected to an open port we forgot to close after testing a few servers. But luckily we apply the defence in depth model, he couldn't get out of that 'services' into other areas of the network cause secure our systems at every corner they try to go.
     
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  3. TekNiKo

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    Tactics to defeat terror:

    1. Severely restrict and moniter Hormuud Telecom, Anyone can buy a SIM card and gain access to mobile market simply by purchasing a 2$ SIM Card, with no identification, stipulate mandatory ID for all citizens in order to trace any transaction or call.

    2. Set up an intelligence network of undercover personnel in xaafads of Mogadishu, pay them regularly and keep their information on an extremely Need to know basis to prevent AS moles from finding out. Have these undercover agents represent all spheres of life, from the Presidents office to the garbage man to the khat lady. Any suspicious activity must be followes up by immediate action.

    3. Target AS finances especially by ensuring roads are safe from AS checkpoints as this is where majority of their income is made, especially between Baidoa and Mogadishu. Once you deny them this suffocate them by starving out their tuulos by roadblocking all food and access. Strict punishment for anyone attempting to assist them.

    4. Counter intelligence in AS held areas is ABSOLUTELY necessary, must be discreet as possible. Hire the best actors who infilitrate their highest ranks, long term basis is a must.
     
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  4. RasCanjero

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    Good luck with our head of intelligence being Fahad Yasin.

    He probably started AS as far as I can tell.

    How else can a truck bomb pass by 5 road stops and get into the heart of Xamar? :umwhat:
     
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    @DR OSMAN very true,

    Sun Tzu says "know your enemy and know yuor self and in a 100 battles you will not lose"

    what do we know about them? who funds them, who trained them for somalis did not know how to make these weapons they used

    their motives, ideology, we know noting in truth or the federal government knows zero, how the hell do you defeat an enemy you know noting about

    do you know how the allies beat hitler? they had access to his Enigma years before, read about it, they crack his codes,

    the Americans cracked Japanese intelligence codes around 2 years before pearl harbour,

    the government doesn't have any knowledge about the alshabab, and i doubt if they have invested any resources tryning to know their enemy, shame,


    sun Tzu devoted an entire chapter on lintel and so did the 36 Ji, another ancient Chinese military text, some believe it was written by Sun Bin, a descendant of sun tzu,

    i would invest 30% of the somali budget on Intel, build a picture, create an entire department, know and learn their weaknesses, their funding sources, cut of the head of the snake,

    36 Ji, Miliatry Battle Plan,

     
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  6. Wiil_Facaye

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    The only way to Defeat them is if the Local's turn against them. Plus the African Troop's Mandate only says to protect the Goverment not to Engage in Combat. Al Shabab would have not lasted a day if the FUFU went on a Rampage
     
  7. DR OSMAN

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    It's a shame sheikh umal went to Mogadishu, sxb don't risk they like high-target kills, that's why important people stay away from hamar, right the kill zone is very low quality people to the world, so their lives don't matter. They want the 4 month war a pool of the best and begin removing because it hurts more you, the world, etc. U saw hodan naleeye, almaas, they fear these ones the most as they may RISE THE PPL UP and give them life, they want suuqooda inu si jira THUGS PARADISE like ghettos sxb
     
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    @Teeri-Alpha I do find one ironic correlation between shabab and islamist politicians like al islah, al ictisam or any of the brotherhood politicians. They don't kill them. They 'target' non political ulama but never the 'islamist' nor their 'organizations' be it charity, schools, orphanages. So their clearly linked up to 'qatar'. Plus a-lot of them retire in qatar.

    So that Fahad Yasin for example is safe, I would definitely follow his 'money transaction', he will usually 'foot soldier' though to carry out the function of going to Qatar. I would have Somali intel guys in 'qatar'. Qatar and Shabab and Islamist politicians are one machine but three different functions. Qatar however joined this 'axis' recently because shabab existed before Qatar, but it always 'tied' to muslim brotherhood. I read the founder of the brotherhood and his idealogy. His trying to re-create an Islamic commonwealth of nations with it's own 'sphere' outside the world order, they use multiple strategies like charity orgnizations, they penetrate universities and establish them, militants, they even have state sympathetic supporters like erdogan who tends to be always around nations with high muslim brotherhood penetration

    If they wanna do a muslim brotherhood sphere of the world, u need to do it within the system not fuckin outside it, that's why their operating in VACUUM, because the world is defined what is legal state and what isn't. anything outside those UN member state are consider in VACUUM
     
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    @Teeri-Alpha the brotherhood signature is found in Somalia. Following brotherhood principle

    1.Control of economics like banks, infrastructure, or any asset with a large coverage of the nation
    2. Charities to help emerging brotherhood nation, orphanage, idealogical brainwashing while young
    3. Universities and funding to bring out brotherhood aligned leaders
    4. Militantcy like terrorism

    Their using multi dimensional strategy and they 'adapt' in each islamic nation based on their 'current risk/reward' profile. Like in PL they adapted when majertenism(ssdf) was stronger then Alitihaad. So they adapted to economic activities and want to slowly 'bring' a new people thru their institutions, learning, economies. Like Deni he is brotherhood sxb. I am scared he sent our students to brotherhood heartland of egypt not academic reasons because there is no knowledge there, but creating a future pool of islamists in PL. I hate them ppl, i lost alot of cousins in the alitihaad and ssdf war and they were on opposing sides, disgusting. I want to bring them down for that reason, if they didn't mess with PL, I wouldn't care about them

    Egypt is basically their idealogical brain training headquarter, qatar is their financier because egypt is broke, and turkey is their international 'access' to the world. They also have big ring network around the world loyal brotherhood in malaysia, indonesia, pakistan, etc but their situations in those countries could be in hiding or militancy or in political parties. They adapt sxb to the current climate of each brotherhood operation zone untill they achieve their goal of all islamic nations run by brotherhood aligned leaders and begin forming a islamic caliphate
     
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    @Teeri-Alpha notice in the vacuum of 91-2004, they were quiet while HG was in extortion mode and no governance, they prefer no governance so they can begin slowly 'poisoning' these people in school thru idealogical brainwashing, control black market infrastructure, establish universities to inject their idealogy. It was when they saw this ending they formed an islamic court kkkk as they didn't want a Somalia coming out for Somali, but on their IDEALOGY, they pushed aside the moryans and began the defence mode to protect their 'operational' zone that is undergoing a transformation of cultural values, political views, and setting up a territory of allegiance to the brotherhood. PL is very against them for this reason because we don't care for your islamic caliphate shit untill they show us they have something worthy for us to join, they have no a single invention, they learn it all from the west or russia or china. So why wud I wanna be under someone who has knowledge. Their not the old arab empire, it's a shell of itself today.
     
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    @Teeri-Alpha it doesn't matter how much money the caliphate has or people, the man who wins the world is the 'inventor' as they keep the 'edge' on you thru innovation while u remain with 'old' stuff you bought from them lol. This is why I reject brotherhood idealogy, they need to work within their nations following the world order and develop capacity academia, intelligence, innovation and show us something that is similar to the west before we can consider a 'transition' to such structure. When I see them niggas show us theories for all the different fields of humanity that we can work of and begin finding materials to create those innovation, I will be the first to begin an analysis.

    But I am not joining a sunday school teacher cabinet and politician yes it may be good for them since it rewards the dumb but it's not good for my ppl future outlook.

    I wouldn't leave my department to downgrade nigga to 'social services' department kkkkk. I might not be the best department but I am not going 'down' in status. would u leave the west academia and join 'egpt' academia kkkk, sxb be honest, just look at their innovation iyo wax soo saarkooda jamacadeed across our industries do u see anything that says THANK U EGYPT
     
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