Secularism with a Twist

[Jimmy Hopkins]

In an Alternate Timeline-Would Somalis that adopt Secularism on the Condition that it separates Religion from Government but not Freedom of Religion.

Countless Islamic Interpretations colliding with one another and the Unworthy Power of Sheikhs that have their own Twisted Desires but Masquerade it within Islam.

The Government breaks apart from Islam but not Freedom of Religion given Islam is the Sole and Undisputed Religion of Somalia.

Ideally, the Financial System that Islam presents is adopted but The Government is Independent and Replaced with the Foundation of Protecting the Standard of Living and the Quality of Life of the Somalis People Above Everything Else.

Thoughts?

 

[NoticeNoticer]

In my opinion an ideal somali nation would have religion come first in everything. In the west, you're seeing the rise in christian nationalism coupled with white supremacy. Going a step back to accept Pseudo cadaan and jewish foundations would probably go horrible for somalis. Give it a few years and secularism will probably be an outdated ideology from a horrible time. It would be suicidal for somalis to accept secularism (which is jewish). Islam could be the only thing that could possibly bring somalis under a single roof in the future. Breaking that tiny tread could become bad in the near future

 

[Jimmy Hopkins]

In my opinion an ideal somali nation would have religion come first in everything. In the west, you're seeing the rise in christian nationalism coupled with white supremacy. Going a step back to accept Pseudo cadaan and jewish foundations would probably go horrible for somalis. Give it a few years and secularism will probably be an outdated ideology from a horrible time. It would be suicidal for somalis to accept secularism (which is jewish). Islam could be the only thing that could possibly bring somalis under a single roof in the future. Breaking that tiny tread could become bad in the near future

Secularism isn’t anti-God — it’s just about keeping laws neutral so one group’s beliefs don’t rule everyone else Walaal-We will Absolutely keep Islam but the Government is Independent from it and only acts with Somali Interests as its Foundation is the True Ideal.

In Somalia every Muslim agrees on what “ruling by what Allah sent down” actually means. Go ask 10 scholars and you’ll get 10 Interpretations, that’s why there are Madhabs, Sects, and Centuries of Debate. The Qur’an isn’t a Political Manual; turning it into One has done More Harm than Good. Belief in Allah doesn’t mean wanting a Theocracy, it means following your faith sincerely, not forcing your version of it on everyone else.

 

[Qalin]

In an Alternate Timeline-Would Somalis that adopt Secularism on the Condition that it separates Religion from Government but not Freedom of Religion.

Countless Islamic Interpretations colliding with one another and the Unworthy Power of Sheikhs that have their own Twisted Desires but Masquerade it within Islam.

The Government breaks apart from Islam but not Freedom of Religion given Islam is the Sole and Undisputed Religion of Somalia.

Ideally, the Financial System that Islam presents is adopted but The Government is Independent and Replaced with the Foundation of Protecting the Standard of Living and the Quality of Life of the Somalis People Above Everything Else.

Thoughts?

The problem with separating religion from state is that you can’t actually do it in the purest of sense without excluding religious people as a whole. Religious beliefs are personal beliefs. And personal beliefs are what shape laws all the time. Take abortion rights in the U.S.; some who aren’t religious may have an issue with abortions, but the majority that do have a problem are. At least in the U.S., the government can’t take up a religion; in your example, no freedom of religion makes it so that Islam is the country’s religion and therefore influences the people and by extension will influence the government. That’s why I think secularism won’t work in Somalia at the moment.

Hopefully I made sense since it makes sense in my head.

 

[Qalin]

I think we need a supreme-court like judiciary specifically designed to evaluate whether or not laws made actually follow shariah. These judges would be appointed based on whether or not they actually qualify in ruling on such matters (which includes how they are as a person, if they have had connections with either terrorist groups or qabil extremists, etc.)

These judges however can’t be appointed by the president and other heads of state (at least not within the first few decades) because it leaves too much room for corruption. They should have their own process of appointment and a stand-alone department should be made to vet and cross check said judges to make sure they themselves don’t rule unjustly under the guise of shariah.

Also, the shariah laws that are put in place in the beginning should work to better the conditions that the people are in now. For instance, you can’t punish the thief for stealing food if they are starving. They shouldn’t be starving if their community was doing their job as Muslims to feed and help them. And the community shouldn’t be in a position to not help due to their own struggles for food and livelihoods if the government was doing their job properly. Fix the environment first before dealing with the individual (unless in crimes like r*pe, murder, abuse, that type of stuff).

 

[cunug3aad]

I dont think the different interpretations are much big of an issue in somalia since we are all shaafici muslim there would be very little dispute so by having a system of multiple sheekh any one of them who has their own biases can be called out by the rest for like if they deceit. Also i dont understand what is the point of removing islaam from governance but the sole religion of somalia is islaam? Allaah in the quraan wants the people to order people to do good and forbid people to do bad either through rule or in person

The standard and quality of life is not compromised under shariicada and rather i would argue it is made better. You should read about cumar ibnu cabdicaziiz an umayyad king he almost completely eliminated poverty thru economic reforms and ensuring everyone got their zakaad and eventually they could nt find any one eligible for zakaad. If we had an islamic rulership like icu i think the population would trust it a lot and actually feel inclined to pay their zakaad and so it can be distributed properly

 

[Qalin]

Shariah is a complex subject that most Muslims don’t even understand properly (me included). But, there is a concept where rulers shouldn’t remove evil by doing evil, and I think that’s where a lot of Muslim countries have messed up. Take Iran and the hijab police thing they have going on. Women dying in custody or physically assaulted because they didn’t have a hijab on doesn’t make sense both Islamically and within common sense. Keeping this in mind could help greatly when making laws

But our leadership doesn’t care enough. They voted against true shariah at the beginning and most definitely wouldn’t want to be judged under it for what they are doing currently.

 

[Testo 21]

Wealth gap in Somalia is ridicules, either you are well off and dont need nobody or you do penny pinching like majority does. If oil is found some sort of wealth re-distribution must be done to even the burden.

secularism dont work in Somalia we are too backward to think about that. We are lucky to have semi-secular gov now. I dont think it will change anytime soon

 

[Burqad]

Wealth gap in Somalia is ridicules, either you are well off and dont need nobody or you do penny pinching like majority does. If oil is found some sort of wealth re-distribution must be done to even the burden.

secularism dont work in Somalia we are too backward to think about that. We are lucky to have semi-secular gov now. I dont think it will change anytime soon

Secularism means clan oppression and warlord rule .

I don’t think these western raised diasporas who think that the Franks shit is perfume understand that. Someone from a minority clan will receive equal treatment under Islamic law to a so called laandhere.

 

[Testo 21]

Secularism means clan oppression and warlord rule .

I don’t think these western raised diasporas who think that the Franks shit is perfume understand that. Someone from a minority clan will receive equal treatment under Islamic law to a so called laandhere.

Somalia is consider as conflict area, ofc there is injustic. Blame gov officials. Somalia dont stand by its own feet yet. That day will come isha allah