Islamic law is Islamic law not salafi law nor shia or sufi law. It is islamic law not the laws of currupt clan elders. If we were to implement it via census, I'd have no problem with it because Allahs laws are just and tolerant. The problem is that you'll find niggas who will interpret it their own way and say your way is kufr for their own benefit. Just look at all these khawarij groups and compare them to Malaysia or Turkey.
Secular Somali Governence
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It was mainly a tribal rural democracy in it's infancy. I'm sure had it been given more time different clans would have joined together based on ideology instead of clan lines. The problem with Somalia is that it has turned into a one man dictatorship with his tribe on top.
A truly secular nation would not depend on qabiil to survive. One of the few positive doings of Kacaan hey did not emphasis on religion but tried to combine it, unsuccessfully with socialist secular values.
The problem with a country based on Suni Islam is the high level of vulnerability to radical interpretations pushed by neighboring countries to destabilize it. Politicians and powerful aspiring figures can easily abuse the religion to rally the ignorant mobs to advance their own interests or hold on power.
For well over 50 years Saudi Arabia has sponsored the radical Wahabi/Salafi sects all over Islamic world and now when it become apparent that it was all for the benefit of US it left a sour taste in their mouth. Arab youth are becoming more and more secular and less adherent to deen.
All Islamic countries who ate up the anti western, radical, conservative, Salafi, madhab narrative are looking like fools right now ... Especially the sovereign states that collapsed due to Islamic insurgency or sectarian tensions. Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon etc ...
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Secularism is not Islamic law you specifically mentioned that you didnt want Islamic law so I asked you whats your problems with it?
Dont just start talking about random groups labels and countries.
Somalis were always tolerant people, we may have prejudice against non Muslims but we would never blow ourselves or declare jihad. Somalis embraced the Shafi'i sect of Islam. We were never adopted Salafi Wahabi radicals before state collapse
www.nytimes.com
Somalia Trys to Live by Both the Koran and ‘Das Kapital’ (Published 1977)
Article on Somalia, nation struggling to move into modern world under banners of Islam and Marxism; notes attempt to straddle, if not to merge, 2 is most striking feature of Siad Barre Govt (M)
I said that Islamic law doesn't go against secularism even the prophet said a just kafir state will be given victory over a oppressive muslim one. Think about that??? Are we kafir? NO! But lets say it was kufr to be secular, wouldn't Allah give us victory over these radical extremists sectarian bigots? I just want to know if your pro sharia which I don't mind, how will we implement it without conflicted with different interpretations. We can and only do this in a caliphate. Even the prophet SAW didn't establish an Islamic state until he died and the tittle of Amir Al mumin and Caliphate begun much after. Islam shouldn't be used as a tool for conflict but a way of life to god!!
Biggest clowns
Secular Somalis are in the wrong era we arent going back to being unreligious for a while its taken deep roots.
Islamic law is the Quran and Sunnah you cant say we accept it in all faculties of life except in the legal system. There is nobody who believes only part of the book and is a believer.
I don’t think you understand the meaning of Islamic law and secularism.
Islamic law is the Quran and Sunnah you cant say we accept it in all faculties of life except in the legal system. There is nobody who believes only part of the book and is a believer.
Islamic law is based upon many interpretations. We have many brilliant scholars but none choose to be in politics. The only self proclaimed "Islamism" we see is from Al shabab or Al islah which both see each other as misguided. One is a terrorist group and the other has ruled Somalia for 8 years with very little accomplishment. It's very easy to conclude that they're using Islam and tribe as a political later and that you will never see sincere Sharia until their is a movement that is educated and can unite the somali people upon a common understanding on Sharia. The problem with that is that there is none! And there will be none until there is a caliphate! We must first ratify a constitution and build the right institutions. The thing is that the only way you can do this is via secularism.
Im talking to a mad man.
Not a way to prove your point
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