Saudi Scholar: You must obey the ruler even if he has GAY SEX every night
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In Islam, you have to obey the ruler as long as he rules by the Sharia, he’s a Muslim and he doesn’t forbid you from practicing your faith. Rebelling brings a lot of harm and a greater evil.
Praise be to Allaah.
The ruler who does not rule according to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger should be obeyed in matters that do not involve disobedience towards Allaah and His Messenger, and it is not obligatory to fight him because of that; rather it is not permissible to do so unless he reaches the level of kufr, in which case it becomes obligatory to oppose him and he has no right to be obeyed by the Muslims.
Ruling according to anything other than that which is in the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger reaches the level of kufr when two conditions are met:
1.When he knows the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger; if he is unaware of it, then he does not commit kufr by going against it.
2.When what makes him rule by something other than that which Allaah has revealed is the belief that it is a ruling that is not suitable for our time and that something else is more suitable than it and more beneficial for people.
If these two conditions are met, then ruling by something other than that which Allaah has revealed constitutes kufr which puts a person beyond the pale of Islam, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And whosoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the Kaafiroon (i.e. disbelievers)” [al-Maa’idah 5:44]. The authority of the ruler becomes invalid and he has no right to be obeyed by the people; it becomes obligatory to fight him and remove him from power.
But if he rules by something other than that which Allaah has revealed whilst believing that ruling by that – i.e. that which Allaah has revealed -- is what is obligatory, and that it is more suitable for the people, but he goes against it because of some whims and desires on his part or because he wants to wrong the people under his rule, then he is not a kaafir; rather he is a faasiq (evildoer) or a zaalim (wrongdoer). His authority remains, and obeying him in matters that do not involve disobedience to Allaah and His Messenger is obligatory, and it is not permissible to fight him or remove him from power by force or to rebel against him, because the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) forbade rebelling against rulers unless we see blatant kufr for which we have proof from Allaah. End quote.
https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/128453
Praise be to Allaah.
The ruler who does not rule according to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger should be obeyed in matters that do not involve disobedience towards Allaah and His Messenger, and it is not obligatory to fight him because of that; rather it is not permissible to do so unless he reaches the level of kufr, in which case it becomes obligatory to oppose him and he has no right to be obeyed by the Muslims.
Ruling according to anything other than that which is in the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger reaches the level of kufr when two conditions are met:
1.When he knows the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger; if he is unaware of it, then he does not commit kufr by going against it.
2.When what makes him rule by something other than that which Allaah has revealed is the belief that it is a ruling that is not suitable for our time and that something else is more suitable than it and more beneficial for people.
If these two conditions are met, then ruling by something other than that which Allaah has revealed constitutes kufr which puts a person beyond the pale of Islam, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And whosoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the Kaafiroon (i.e. disbelievers)” [al-Maa’idah 5:44]. The authority of the ruler becomes invalid and he has no right to be obeyed by the people; it becomes obligatory to fight him and remove him from power.
But if he rules by something other than that which Allaah has revealed whilst believing that ruling by that – i.e. that which Allaah has revealed -- is what is obligatory, and that it is more suitable for the people, but he goes against it because of some whims and desires on his part or because he wants to wrong the people under his rule, then he is not a kaafir; rather he is a faasiq (evildoer) or a zaalim (wrongdoer). His authority remains, and obeying him in matters that do not involve disobedience to Allaah and His Messenger is obligatory, and it is not permissible to fight him or remove him from power by force or to rebel against him, because the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) forbade rebelling against rulers unless we see blatant kufr for which we have proof from Allaah. End quote.
https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/128453
Tukraq
VIP
I’d rather assume power myself
What do you mean? Explain more. You’re probably one of those types to rebel for the smallest things such as lack of representation in politics?
Correct me if I’m wrong. I quoted an academic scholarly website.@Ayubi don't make me bring out the books, you've been warned
Praise be to Allah.
The basic comprehensive principle of sharee’ah is that it is not permitted to remove an evil by means of a greater evil; evil must be warded off by that which will remove it or reduce it. Warding off evil by means of a greater evil is not permitted according to the scholarly consensus (ijmaa’) of the Muslims. If this group which wants to get rid of this ruler who is openly committing kufr is able to do so, and can bring in a good and righteous leader without that leading to greater trouble for the Muslims or a greater evil than the evil of this ruler, then that is OK. But if rebellion would result in greater trouble and lead to chaos, oppression and the assassination of people who do not deserve to be assassinated, and other forms of major evil, then that is not permitted. Rather it is essential to be patient and to hear and obey in matters of good, and to offer sincere advice to the authorities, and to pray that they may be guided to good, and to strive to reduce evil and increase good. This is the correct way which should be followed, because that is in the general interests of the Muslims, and because it will reduce evil and increase good, and because this will keep the peace and protect the Muslims from a greater evil.
https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/9911
Tukraq
VIP
Yes I totally would, that’s not a small thing
That’s not a small thing at all. Especially when it comes to Somalia.
You crazy? Rebellions would cause more chaos, anarchy, militia groups taking advantage, assassinations and other major evils. That’s why Islam is strict on rebellions. Just look at the rebellions throughout history, 8/10 of those rebellions had failed and made society even worse.
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Why would I respond when your manners are bad.
This is much better except that there is no ijma' on the matter of rebelling against a ruler, the salaf themselves rebelled.
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QurboExit
Imagine risking your life in battle while the so called emir is smashing some dude in the camp
What of kind of donkey would serve in that army
It’s an actual Hadith, just search it up. In Islam, your only allowed to rebel in extreme cases. The reason why the deen is so strict on rebellions is because of the greater evil it can bring after the leader has been removed. Islam cares about the greater good of the society.Imagine risking your life in battle while the so called emir is smashing some dude in the camp
What of kind of donkey would serve in that army
“You should listen and obey them, even if the ruler strikes your back and takes your wealth, even still listen and obey.”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1847
Sheikh al Fawzan explained this:
Sheikh Assim al Hakeem also explain this:
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Tukraq
VIP
That’s in there opinion, islamically nothing wrong with it, umayaah did it
Tukraq
VIP
Not evil in Islam, and the rest is just opinion, military groups taking over might even possibly be better
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