Saudi prince harshly criticizes Israel at Bahrain summit

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King Salman's man, Prince Turki al-Faisal, harshly criticized Israel on Sunday, Dec. 6, 2020, at a Bahrain security summit that was remotely attended by Israel's foreign minister.

What the heck is going in the Gulf? The cracks are so visible now. Saudis are now calling Israel a colonizing power. MBS seems be kaput politically. LOL at the UAE.

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A prominent Saudi prince harshly criticized Israel on Sunday at a Bahrain security summit that was remotely attended by Israel’s foreign minister, showing the challenges any further deals between Arab states and Israel face in the absence of an independent Palestinian state.

The fiery remarks by Prince Turki al-Faisal at the Manama Dialogue appeared to catch Israel’s foreign minister off guard, particularly as Israelis receive warm welcomes from officials in Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates following agreements to normalize ties.


Left unresolved by those deals, however, is the decades-long conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. The Palestinians view those pacts as a stab in the back from their fellow Arabs and a betrayal of their cause.

Prince Turki opened his remarks by contrasting what he described as Israel’s perception of being “peace-loving upholders of high moral principles” versus what he described as a far-darker Palestinian reality of living under a “Western colonizing” power.

Israel has “incarcerated (Palestinians) in concentration camps under the flimsiest of security accusations — young and old, women and men, who are rotting there without recourse to justice,” Prince Turki said. “They are demolishing homes as they wish and they assassinate whomever they want.”

The prince also criticized Israel’s undeclared arsenal of nuclear weapons and Israeli governments “unleashing their political minions and their media outlets from other countries to denigrate and demonize Saudi Arabia.”

The prince reiterated the kingdom’s official position that the solution lies in implementing the Arab Peace Initiative, a 2002 Saudi-sponsored deal that offers Israel full ties with all Arab states in return for Palestinian statehood on territory Israel captured in 1967.

He added: “You cannot treat an open wound with palliatives and pain killers”

Israeli Foreign Minister Gabi Ashkenazi, who spoke immediately after Prince Turki, said: “I would like to express my regret on the comments of the Saudi representative.”

“I don’t believe that they reflect the spirit and the changes taking place in the Middle East,” he said.

The confrontation and a later back-and-forth between Prince Turki and a confidant of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during the summit highlighted continued widespread opposition to Israel by many inside Saudi Arabia, despite some state-backed efforts to promote outreach with Jewish groups and supporters of Israel.


Ashkenazi, meanwhile, reiterated Israel’s position that it is the Palestinians who are to be blamed for not reaching a peace deal.

“We have a choice here with the Palestinians whether to solve it or not, or to go to this blame game,” said Ashkenazi, an ally of Netanyahu’s chief rival, Benny Gantz.

Dore Gold, a Netanyahu confidant and former U.N. ambassador in the audience, implied Prince Faisal’s remarks were “accusations of the past — many of which are false.” The prince later brought up Gold’s previous television appearances “denigrating the kingdom and using the most vile descriptions.”

“I think Mr. Dore Gold should be the last one to talk about having previous beliefs and positions here,” the prince said.

Prince Turki led Saudi intelligence for more than 20 years and served as ambassador to the U.S. and United Kingdom. Though he now holds no official position, his stance is seen as closely mirroring that of King Salman. However, the king’s assertive son, the 35-year-old Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, is seen having a greater willingness to quietly engage with Israel to counter common rival, Iran, and boost foreign investment in the kingdom.

Bahraini Foreign Minister Abdullatif al-Zayani, also on stage for the tense exchanges, sought to smooth over the differences in his remarks. Still, he too stressed the importance of a resolution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict based on a two-state solution as envisaged by the Arab Peace Initiative.

“The path of peace is not an easy ride. There will be a lot of obstacles along the way,” he said. “There will be ups and downs. But the bedrock of that path, the path of peace, is the Israeli-Palestinian issue.”

In an apparent reference to Iran, al-Zayani added that a resolution to the conflict would also remove the pretext to justify some of the threats made to regional security.




 
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Hassan mahat

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Arabs can pressure Israel to give the Palestinian a state. Since trump is gone, Netanyahu is in trouble.
 
King Salman's man, Prince Turki al-Faisal, harshly criticized Israel on Sunday, Dec. 6, 2020, at a Bahrain security summit that was remotely attended by Israel's foreign minister.

What the heck is going in the Gulf? The cracks are so visible now. Saudis are now calling Israel a colonizing power. MBS seems be kaput politically. LOL at the UAE.

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A prominent Saudi prince harshly criticized Israel on Sunday at a Bahrain security summit that was remotely attended by Israel’s foreign minister, showing the challenges any further deals between Arab states and Israel face in the absence of an independent Palestinian state.

The fiery remarks by Prince Turki al-Faisal at the Manama Dialogue appeared to catch Israel’s foreign minister off guard, particularly as Israelis receive warm welcomes from officials in Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates following agreements to normalize ties.


Left unresolved by those deals, however, is the decades-long conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. The Palestinians view those pacts as a stab in the back from their fellow Arabs and a betrayal of their cause.

Prince Turki opened his remarks by contrasting what he described as Israel’s perception of being “peace-loving upholders of high moral principles” versus what he described as a far-darker Palestinian reality of living under a “Western colonizing” power.

Israel has “incarcerated (Palestinians) in concentration camps under the flimsiest of security accusations — young and old, women and men, who are rotting there without recourse to justice,” Prince Turki said. “They are demolishing homes as they wish and they assassinate whomever they want.”

The prince also criticized Israel’s undeclared arsenal of nuclear weapons and Israeli governments “unleashing their political minions and their media outlets from other countries to denigrate and demonize Saudi Arabia.”

The prince reiterated the kingdom’s official position that the solution lies in implementing the Arab Peace Initiative, a 2002 Saudi-sponsored deal that offers Israel full ties with all Arab states in return for Palestinian statehood on territory Israel captured in 1967.

He added: “You cannot treat an open wound with palliatives and pain killers”

Israeli Foreign Minister Gabi Ashkenazi, who spoke immediately after Prince Turki, said: “I would like to express my regret on the comments of the Saudi representative.”

“I don’t believe that they reflect the spirit and the changes taking place in the Middle East,” he said.

The confrontation and a later back-and-forth between Prince Turki and a confidant of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during the summit highlighted continued widespread opposition to Israel by many inside Saudi Arabia, despite some state-backed efforts to promote outreach with Jewish groups and supporters of Israel.


Ashkenazi, meanwhile, reiterated Israel’s position that it is the Palestinians who are to be blamed for not reaching a peace deal.

“We have a choice here with the Palestinians whether to solve it or not, or to go to this blame game,” said Ashkenazi, an ally of Netanyahu’s chief rival, Benny Gantz.

Dore Gold, a Netanyahu confidant and former U.N. ambassador in the audience, implied Prince Faisal’s remarks were “accusations of the past — many of which are false.” The prince later brought up Gold’s previous television appearances “denigrating the kingdom and using the most vile descriptions.”

“I think Mr. Dore Gold should be the last one to talk about having previous beliefs and positions here,” the prince said.

Prince Turki led Saudi intelligence for more than 20 years and served as ambassador to the U.S. and United Kingdom. Though he now holds no official position, his stance is seen as closely mirroring that of King Salman. However, the king’s assertive son, the 35-year-old Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, is seen having a greater willingness to quietly engage with Israel to counter common rival, Iran, and boost foreign investment in the kingdom.

Bahraini Foreign Minister Abdullatif al-Zayani, also on stage for the tense exchanges, sought to smooth over the differences in his remarks. Still, he too stressed the importance of a resolution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict based on a two-state solution as envisaged by the Arab Peace Initiative.

“The path of peace is not an easy ride. There will be a lot of obstacles along the way,” he said. “There will be ups and downs. But the bedrock of that path, the path of peace, is the Israeli-Palestinian issue.”

In an apparent reference to Iran, al-Zayani added that a resolution to the conflict would also remove the pretext to justify some of the threats made to regional security.




Because Israel used and abused them and the saudi image is ruined.
 

AbdiGeedi

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I suspect that during their recent visits to Saudi Arabia Netanyahu and Kushner have tried to bully Saudi Arabia into recognizing Israel and it back-fired because the King is back and his son, MBS, is out.

It remains to be seen if MBZ and his fiefdom, the UAE, will be put in place now. It is interesting that Egypt is trying to sideline the UAE by supporting Saudi Arabia's stance on the Palestinian issue and defying MBZ.
 

AbdiGeedi

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Arabs can pressure Israel to give the Palestinian a state. Since trump is gone, Netanyahu is in trouble.
Netanyahu is indeed in trouble, but from the liberal Jews in the US. They want his washed-up ass out and Gantz in. That will be one of the goals of the Biden administration. The upcoming Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, is a liberal Jew.
 

Hassan mahat

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Netanyahu is indeed in trouble, but from the liberal Jews in the US. They want his washed-up ass out and Gantz in. That will be one of the goals of the Biden administration. The upcoming Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, is a liberal Jew.
Right, I feel like Netanyahu popularity is dwindling, the whole Likud party is in hot mess. Furthermore, he is charged with corruption, so he is in a tight spot. Biden has to deal with a lot mess in the USA first tho. The economy is in the toilet, the vaccine distribution will also be challenging. After that, the nuclear deal will happen. Hopefully, he pressures the saudis and the gulf countries to stop the Yemen war as well.
 

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I suspect that during their recent visits to Saudi Arabia Netanyahu and Kushner have tried to bully Saudi Arabia into recognizing Israel and it back-fired because the King is back and his son, MBS, is out.
Expand on this sxb what do you mean the king is back?
 
the ailing tribal dictator Salmaan is supposedly reasserting himself on Israeli peace issues thus sidelining his son heir apparent ibnSalmaan

MbS supposedly more friendly towards Israel
 

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the ailing tribal dictator Salmaan is supposedly reasserting himself on Israeli peace issues thus sidelining his son heir apparent ibnSalmaan

MbS supposedly more friendly towards Israel
I read on it he wasn't told of the meeting between Netanyahu and MBS.
 

AbdiGeedi

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mbs is out? could you give me some context? havent been keeping up with news and all that recently

MBS acted recklessly in regards to the shaking-down the Saudi billionaires for money and the attempt to grab the Qatari Sovereign Fund with the ensuing blockade of Qatar. He was also the mastermind of Kashoggi murder, not to mention the pointless Yemen war.

MBS has too enemies now, especially in the US Congress. He inadvertently derailed the US-Israeli plans against Iran in the Gulf by pushing Qatar closer to Iran and Turkey. The GCC is dysfunctional now.
 

AbdiGeedi

To keep your balance, you must keep moving.
Expand on this sxb what do you mean the king is back?
Prince Turki al-Faisal was the head of the Saudi Intelligence Agency for two decades, He also served as the Saudi ambassador to the US. He is known to be the king's close confidante. So, this guy is the heavyweight in the Saudi political establishment.

During the meeting the prince, Turki al-Faisal. got harsher and harsher toward Israel as the Israeli FM Gabi Ashkenazi tried to chide him. It was an intense back and forth.

The rumor mill says that the aging king was not fully aware of what his son, MBS, was doing up until now. I am getting a sense that Netanyahu's recent visit to Saudi Arabia upset the king.

Right after the Israeli moves in the Gulf, the Saudis reminded that they back the agreement calling for the two-state solution for Palestine and Israel in accordance with the 2002 previous agreement:

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Egypt was quick to dump the UAE and join the king's comeback team.

Right now there is a Saudi trade delegation in Baghdad to strengthen relationships with the Iraqi Shia government. This is completely against the Israeli and UAE plans.

To me it shows that the king is back and his son, MBS, is gone from politics, at least till he gets a sense of what kind of a threat Biden is to him.

I also think that the Saudi old guards are in shock of how quickly the UAE switched to promote the Zionist agenda of Israel in the Gulf and the larger Arab world.

I am expecting either a quick death of the Saudi king or the UAE's political collapse. Something gotta give. We will find out soon who rules the Gulf in reality: Saudi Arabia or Israel.

The future of the Yemeni Hadi government is especially interesting now and the status of the Socotra island. The king can put an end to the Israeli/Emirati de facto annexation of the island from Yemen.
 
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