Wahabism was a necessary movement Idk why people are hating. Its better than worshipping shrines and spinning
Saudi Arabia fast route towards becoming Secularist Country
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I think we should
Gojo Satoru
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I'll never forgive those bastards
There's a difference of opinion on this matter, as long as the Alcohol is served to Non-Muslims visiting the country then its not that bad.
As for those hating on "Wahabism", keep crying you donkeys. Salafism & Arabism will reign supreme in Somalia.
As for those hating on "Wahabism", keep crying you donkeys. Salafism & Arabism will reign supreme in Somalia.
they already have clubs so this isnt suprising
You have never even read his work you dog. الله يرحم شيخ الإسلام محمد بن عبدالوهاب بس
I must admit I don't know much about Wahabbism so I'm open to you and others on here sending me resources from different perspectives on what it is and its impact on different groups (both Islamic and foreign Western perspectives welcome) so I can learn, BUT assuming Wahabbism is as bad as people on this thread say, don't you think that the removal of kufr/shirk practices like shrine-worshipping could have been achieved without Al Wahhab's influence?
(I'm genuinely asking.)
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id recommend listening to these lectures by some of the most esteemed scholars in our time
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I think wahabbism gets too much bad rep. Wahabbism emerged as a result of too many people commiting shirk and being misguided. It just tells us to follow the quran and sunnah and not innovate which I strongly agree with. I think it was necessary in 18th century arabia and even more now in modern times where we have more fitna than ever
Dalac Bilaash
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I knew you ball head would popout of nowhere defending them I actually can't believe normal human being functioning like this do they pay you money there is no way you and @Al Adnani are doing all of this for free.
As I said, there is no movement called “Wahhabism.” They did not call themselves by that name. They gave them this name because of the hatred of some Western and Shiite critics for Imam Muhammad Abd al-Wahhab. They preferred to be called “Almohads” or people of the Salaf. This movement was necessary because if it had not taken place, the Arabian Peninsula would have turned into paganism. The imam’s principle was simple: demolishing graves, not praying over them, worshiping God Almighty, and refraining from heresies in religion, the Qur’an, and the Sunnah of the Prophet. Only if you want to delve deeper, you can search.
I just finished listening/reading to this video carefully and I have a problem with his argument. He says Muslims cannot use "Wahhabi" as a negative political label (I can accept this, because Al Wahhab aimed to eliminate bizarre shirk practices) because "Wahhab" is one of the glorious names of Allah (SWT) so they must be mocking their own creator!
But how can that be if the term was coined after the Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Al Wahhab not one of the 99 names of Allah? It's like me saying that the Muhammad I knew in high school who used to bully me as a teen cannot be condemned by me because I'm indirectly calling out the messenger of Allah (SWT).
It sounds like wordplay to me.
Abdulwahab was a terrorist and anyone who follows his ideology is this man put takfir on everyone his dad and brother who were also scholars warned the people against him even Saudi the mfs who spread his ideology have some of his books banned because this man was crazy
Which books? btw which of his books did you read and what specifically in them did you object to?
this is accurate. if you want to know about "Wahhabism"... why take anyone else's word for it? I recommend for you or for anyone who wants to know... just go get a copy of Kitab at-Tawheed and see for yourself what the book is teaching. I think something like 99% of the book is just quotations from Quran and Sunnah, I don't think Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab actually wrote anything in the book except the chapter titles.
anyways- it is like you said- he was fighting against "bizarre shirk practices". did he go too far? I don't know, I haven't studied the history in depth. but I've read some of his stuff and what people study is his books. his books are definitely worth reading and people who attack him will pretty much always use arguments like talking about history or using silly arguments like "did you know MBS did such-and-such? WAHHABIS EXPOSED".... ok but you will basically never see them actually try to refute the contents of his books and when they try to their arguments are very lame.
as a historical figure, I don't know and I don't have any comment. but as far as his books, he wrote very useful books that are worth studying and you hardly see his own words, he is mostly just quoting Quran and Sunnah. you will see pages and pages of nothing but quotations from Quran and Sunnah and then the only words from him will be the chapter titles.
did he go too far in fighting "bizarre shirk practices"? I don't know. but was he wrong to oppose them? obviously not. and the vast majority of Muslims who read his books aren't in favor of beating up random grave worshippers or whatever, they're simply ordinary Muslims who would like very much to warn people against "bizarre shirk practices". The big "wahhabi" scholars of modern times like Sheikh Ibn Baz and Sheikh Fawzan aren't going to tell people to go outside and start beating up random grave worshippers... but they will definitely explain how such practices are shirk.
anyways, the past is the past, the Sheikh is long dead and whatever he did or didn't do in his life is between him and Allah. but what remains are his books, numerous scholars have produced commentaries on them and they are very much worth reading.
btw I know this is a weird source but Cuban Wikipedia has an article on "Wahabism" that I think sums up "Wahhabism". Ideas like "don't pray to saints, don't practice bid'ah, don't do witchcraft".... are these really crazy new ideas that Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab invented out of nowhere and that he came up with? is this "extreme" ideology? terrorism? radicalism? obviously, these are just ordinary beliefs. a lot of "anti-wahhabism" is from sufi, shia or liberal types who combat perfectly normal beliefs under the guise of "anti-wahhabism". anyways, here is the Cuban wikipedia summary of "wahhabism":
"The followers of Wahhabism see their role as the defenders of Islam , just as they see the need to restore the purity of an Islam apparently contaminated by innovations, superstitions, deviations, heresies and idolatry. There are many practices that are considered to go against Islamic tradition, such as:
"The followers of Wahhabism see their role as the defenders of Islam , just as they see the need to restore the purity of an Islam apparently contaminated by innovations, superstitions, deviations, heresies and idolatry. There are many practices that are considered to go against Islamic tradition, such as:
- Invoke the name of the prophet, or a saint or an angel, in prayers. Only the name of Allah can be invoked.
- Suplicate at the tombs of saints or prophets.[
- Celebrate annual festivals for dead saints.
- Wear any form of talisman and believe in its healing powers.
- Practice magic or look to magicians or witchcraft or Wicca for sources of healing.
- Innovations in religion.
- Erect large monuments on graves.
- They do not celebrate the birth of Muhammad based on the interpretation of the Hadith.
- The Wahhabis prohibit cinema and music.
- Some even even photographs"
According to the innovators, preaching against bid3a and idolatry is "extreme". They pick and choose what to believe may Allah guide them
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