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I want to mention first- there are multiple types of anti-salafism.
but before that, what do we mean by salafism or salafiyyah?
salafiyyah can mean literally- following the salaf. nothing to do with any country named Saudi Arabia or Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab or Sheikh Ibn Baz, etc. salafiyyah in this meaning is literally- following the way of the salaf. different people might have differing views of what following the salaf means in its details, as is in what is the proper salaf-conformant view in this or that issue... but it is unacceptable for anyone to reject the concept of following the salaf in itself. every Muslim has to follow the way of the salaf. and people who don't have gone the wrong way. wallahi whoever leaves following the salaf has gone the wrong route.
anyways, that's salafiyyah in the literal sense.
then there's salafiyyah as in.... Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah, Sheikh Muhammad ibn abdul Wahhab, Albani, Sheikh Ibn Baz, etc....
and so just as salafiyyah actually can refer to multiple things, anti-salafiyyah actually can be multiple things.
and a lot of anti-salafiyyah/anti-salafism.... it conflates these two meanings of salafiyyah. so under the pretext of opposing certain scholars from Saudi- it actually opposes the principle itself of following the salaf.
Yasir Qadhi I think is an excellent example of this. Sheikh Ibn Baz and them are not infallible. If you have a criticism of the Salafi scholars in Saudi- the criticism may or may not be valid. They're not infallible. If someone can show that they're truly not following the salaf- then we should reject the incorrect view and follow the way of the salaf.
But Yasir Qadhi criticizes them and instead of showing some way in which they contradict the salaf- notice how YQ criticizes them but then goes on to blatantly not care about following the salaf. YQ is a modernist who openly talks about trying to reform Islam- to appease Westerners.... so YQ doesn't even pretend to follow the salaf. he isn't retarded, it's blatantly obvious his views aren't in line with the salaf and he clearly doesn't care.
so a lot of anti-salafism is like that. whoever is like that has gone the wrong road. I don't at all think it's necessary to follow the Saudi scholars specifically but whoever uses criticizing them as a cover for rejecting the principle in and of itself of following the salaf.... this is a person who has gone down the wrong road and leads others people astray.
if you reject salafiyyah in the sense that you don't even think we should follow the salaf and you want to try to make up a new version of Islam... I am staunchly your opponent and your way is very seriously wrong. and I don't want this thread to be a pretext for that kind of thing.
as for salafiyyah as in Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah, Sheikh Ibn Baz, etc.... I think I have a balanced view. I respect the Hanbali madhhab but I identify with the Maliki madhhab and I don't think I rely on those scholars (Ibn Baz and them) as much as people who call me a "Saudi-Wahhabi" think I do. but honestly I think Sheikh Ibn Baz and them... they are Hanbalis, I don't think what they have said is really anything that is out-there or unusual. I notice a lot of "Wahhabis exposed" content is from Asharis and... we've come to find out, the Ashari aqeedah which is the basis from which these types attack salafis- the Ashari aqeedah is very seriously wrong. at the same time, I don't think we really need modern scholars except when it comes to modern issues (such as current events, bitcoin, etc.).
ok but.... however... then there's modern salafis. or certain modern "salafis". "you must not boycott McDonalds without the ruler's permission"... "anyone who criticizes the Saudi gov (but not other govs) is a khariji".... SPUBS.... Ruhayli..... it's a disaster.
look at the insane infighting
so this guy is versus Abu Zaid
Abu Zaid is versus One Dawah
all of these are "Madkhali" modern "salafis".....
and "Madkhali" is not referring to all modern salafis... it's referring to a specific group within the modern salafis.... so this is insane....
you have Oman Hakimi vs Abu Zaid vs One Dawah
and all are within the same subgroup of modern salafis.... honestly I am baffled and I find this all mind-boggling
but before that, what do we mean by salafism or salafiyyah?
salafiyyah can mean literally- following the salaf. nothing to do with any country named Saudi Arabia or Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab or Sheikh Ibn Baz, etc. salafiyyah in this meaning is literally- following the way of the salaf. different people might have differing views of what following the salaf means in its details, as is in what is the proper salaf-conformant view in this or that issue... but it is unacceptable for anyone to reject the concept of following the salaf in itself. every Muslim has to follow the way of the salaf. and people who don't have gone the wrong way. wallahi whoever leaves following the salaf has gone the wrong route.
anyways, that's salafiyyah in the literal sense.
then there's salafiyyah as in.... Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah, Sheikh Muhammad ibn abdul Wahhab, Albani, Sheikh Ibn Baz, etc....
and so just as salafiyyah actually can refer to multiple things, anti-salafiyyah actually can be multiple things.
and a lot of anti-salafiyyah/anti-salafism.... it conflates these two meanings of salafiyyah. so under the pretext of opposing certain scholars from Saudi- it actually opposes the principle itself of following the salaf.
Yasir Qadhi I think is an excellent example of this. Sheikh Ibn Baz and them are not infallible. If you have a criticism of the Salafi scholars in Saudi- the criticism may or may not be valid. They're not infallible. If someone can show that they're truly not following the salaf- then we should reject the incorrect view and follow the way of the salaf.
But Yasir Qadhi criticizes them and instead of showing some way in which they contradict the salaf- notice how YQ criticizes them but then goes on to blatantly not care about following the salaf. YQ is a modernist who openly talks about trying to reform Islam- to appease Westerners.... so YQ doesn't even pretend to follow the salaf. he isn't retarded, it's blatantly obvious his views aren't in line with the salaf and he clearly doesn't care.
so a lot of anti-salafism is like that. whoever is like that has gone the wrong road. I don't at all think it's necessary to follow the Saudi scholars specifically but whoever uses criticizing them as a cover for rejecting the principle in and of itself of following the salaf.... this is a person who has gone down the wrong road and leads others people astray.
if you reject salafiyyah in the sense that you don't even think we should follow the salaf and you want to try to make up a new version of Islam... I am staunchly your opponent and your way is very seriously wrong. and I don't want this thread to be a pretext for that kind of thing.
as for salafiyyah as in Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah, Sheikh Ibn Baz, etc.... I think I have a balanced view. I respect the Hanbali madhhab but I identify with the Maliki madhhab and I don't think I rely on those scholars (Ibn Baz and them) as much as people who call me a "Saudi-Wahhabi" think I do. but honestly I think Sheikh Ibn Baz and them... they are Hanbalis, I don't think what they have said is really anything that is out-there or unusual. I notice a lot of "Wahhabis exposed" content is from Asharis and... we've come to find out, the Ashari aqeedah which is the basis from which these types attack salafis- the Ashari aqeedah is very seriously wrong. at the same time, I don't think we really need modern scholars except when it comes to modern issues (such as current events, bitcoin, etc.).
ok but.... however... then there's modern salafis. or certain modern "salafis". "you must not boycott McDonalds without the ruler's permission"... "anyone who criticizes the Saudi gov (but not other govs) is a khariji".... SPUBS.... Ruhayli..... it's a disaster.
look at the insane infighting
so this guy is versus Abu Zaid
Abu Zaid is versus One Dawah
all of these are "Madkhali" modern "salafis".....
and "Madkhali" is not referring to all modern salafis... it's referring to a specific group within the modern salafis.... so this is insane....
you have Oman Hakimi vs Abu Zaid vs One Dawah
and all are within the same subgroup of modern salafis.... honestly I am baffled and I find this all mind-boggling