salafi

[Bahal]

Islam says killing another Muslim intentionally puts your ass in hell for life and as you know there is no other crime in Islam for which a Muslim spends time in hell eternally aside from shirk. Even when it comes to non Muslims, you can't randomly kill non Muslims. The prophets ways are clear to those of us who have learned and we can tell who claim to follow him and who actually follows him.

But when they're claiming you're the one that's not following the prophet, you have a problem.

 

[Rorschach]

But when they're claiming you're the one that's not following the prophet, you have a problem.

This is no rocket science walaal. Al Shabaab, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, etc. are all paid for international mercenary groups. Their upper command is completely compromised, and the the foot-soldiers are fed stories of grand victories against the gaalo who bombed their village last week.

The CIA makes a request, Saudi intelligence siphon some cash to local fundraisers/millionaires, who then transfer the money to the upper command of the nearest 'jihadi' group in proximity - if none available simply use the Al-Qaeda (and now new ISIS) brand.

The upper command filter this info down to their officers - the lower down the chain you are, the more story changes, from:

"hebel hebel wants that politician gone, we've been paid for it - deal with it" - to:

"this politician has been an enemy of Islam for years, he is an apostate, we must remove him for the sake of the cause! Victory hinges on his death! -insert anecdotes, and accusations- Which one of you brave lions of Islam (10 - 19 year old boys) will bomb that market place/hotel/house to get him?"

Enter naive brainwashed boy/girl (likely drugged), who straps the bomb on and proceeds to carry out a political hit on the empty promise of gaining the fruits of paradise.

Hit carried out, authority blames the 'Jihadi' group, the cause for Western intervention/presence in that region strengthens. The people are duped again. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Inquisitive_]

@Rorschach

Spot on, delivered in an excellent satirical way.


On the topic a clear distinction needs to be made between the groupie labels and what's being called for, for e.g. we have Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jamaca in Somalia that are actually grave worshipping dancing Suufi's, epic distortion and misrepresentation.

The same goes for the supposed Islamic state, al-shabab and the other groups, they are the dogs for those at war with us, so it's very befitting they will be the dogs in hell fire too, a dog by its very nature is very stupid and hasty.

There is nothing wrong with Salafi puritanical dawah per say, but it has been highly politicised and morphed into a group to distinguish themselves from other Muslims, they have their own mosques, preachers etc. the moment you do this, your in violation of the verse 'don't split into groups' and as a result you open up a Pandora box were many other groups will arise taking on the same labels.

Hence the splits today, you have all the Kharijite groups claiming salafiyyah, you have the extreme madkhalism from SPUBS (we are the only saved sect etc.), then you have the neo-salafism, the latest split between the scholars in UAE and those in Saudi because of regional politics, this is what the cancer does when it's politicised, it takes up various malignant forms.

The fast majority of Muslims about 95%+ this whole theological difference is irrelevant unless you become a serious student of the religion, but the disease we have as humans is that we always want to be part of a group, a clique. a congregation and distinguish our-self from others, for no worldly benefits whatsoever, it's following the foot-steps of shaydaan.

 

[Ferrari]

But when they're claiming you're the one that's not following the prophet, you have a problem.

How? Does claiming something mean anything if it is not true? What if I claimed marehan and started to form a militia of mine killing people? Would you be at fault?

 

[Raamsade]

Islam says killing another Muslim intentionally puts your ass in hell for life and as you know there is no other crime in Islam for which a Muslim spends time in hell eternally aside from shirk. Even when it comes to non Muslims, you can't randomly kill non Muslims.

C'mon dude, it's 2017! You know full well that there are lots of loopholes in Islamic jurisprudence that proffer justification for slaying fellow Muslims. Jihadis simply declare practicing Muslims as murtads and therefore xalaal to shed their blood.

 

[Raamsade]

This is no rocket science walaal. Al Shabaab, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, etc. are all paid for international mercenary groups. Their upper command is completely compromised, and the the foot-soldiers are fed stories of grand victories against the gaalo who bombed their village last week.

The CIA makes a request, Saudi intelligence siphon some cash to local fundraisers/millionaires, who then transfer the money to the upper command of the nearest 'jihadi' group in proximity - if none available simply use the Al-Qaeda (and now new ISIS) brand.

What a load of nonsense! Muslim-on-Muslim bloodletting has always been part and parcel of Islam. As soon as the Prophet died, the swords came. Half of the rightly-guided were murdered by fellow Muslims. The Prophet's own grandchildren was slaughtered by devout Muslims. So was his adopted son, Ali. There's been episodic cessation of internecine bloodletting but the propensity for violence has always been there.

No amount of verbal legerdemain will change the fact that Jihadi groups are just as Islamic as any random "Islamic" group. Be denying the specter of Jihadism all you're doing is postponing day of reckoning when Muslims will have to finally take on Jihadis.

 

[Rorschach]

What a load of nonsense! Muslim-on-Muslim bloodletting has always been part and parcel of Islam. As soon as the Prophet died, the swords came. Half of the rightly-guided were murdered by fellow Muslims. The Prophet's own grandchildren was slaughtered by devout Muslims. So was his adopted son, Ali. There's been episodic cessation of internecine bloodletting but the propensity for violence has always been there.

No amount of verbal legerdemain will change the fact that Jihadi groups are just as Islamic as any random "Islamic" group. Be denying the specter of Jihadism all you're doing is postponing day of reckoning when Muslims will have to finally take on Jihadis.

Oh, you again.

So hol' up hol' up. You're comparing the current largely unorganised 'Jihadi' groups scattered across the globe, to the organised rebellions in the past Empires? Did someone lie to you and say Islam has completely no violence and is an Abrahamic version of Jainism? In the words of Cenk: OF COURSE there are civil wars/ rebellions/skirmishes/succession issues/foreign agitation in every organised empire/kingdom in the history of the world.

So what's your point mate? Does pointing out these events/struggles in the past Muslim empires conclusively disprove the current Jihadi-mercenary theory? Or are you straw-manning like the filthy gaal cuck that you are?

Strange how ex-Muslims spread themselves for the West no matter what topic we're discussing - philosophy, social issues, science, religion, biology, conspiracy, even food. Opposing or recognising the Western global oppressive choke-hold requires no spiritual allegiance - these are theories backed by historic facts. When you renounced your faith, did you renounce your aqal as well? You're not irreligious, you've adopted the religion of the globalist Westerners.

 

[Inquisitive_]

Oh, you again.

So hol' up hol' up. You're comparing the current largely unorganised 'Jihadi' groups scattered across the globe, to the organised rebellions in the past Empires? Did someone lie to you and say Islam has completely no violence and is an Abrahamic version of Jainism? In the words of Cenk: OF COURSE there are civil wars/ rebellions/skirmishes/succession issues/foreign agitation in every organised empire/kingdom in the history of the world.

So what's your point mate? Does pointing out these events/struggles in the past Muslim empires conclusively disprove the current Jihadi-mercenary theory? Or are you straw-manning like the filthy gaal cuck that you are?

Strange how ex-Muslims spread themselves for the West no matter what topic we're discussing - philosophy, social issues, science, religion, biology, conspiracy, even food. Opposing or recognising the Western global oppressive choke-hold requires no spiritual allegiance - these are theories backed by historic facts. When you renounced your faith, did you renounce your aqal as well? You're not irreligious, you've adopted the religion of the globalist Westerners.

Why enslave physically when you can do so mentally which is much more effective? take the AA community as an example, there are more black man in the prison systems working as slaves then there were in the plantations fields in physical chains.

The only difference was that back then, they as well as anyone else knew they were slaves due to the visible chains, but today with the chains being removed physically and applied mentally, a perfect illusion of inclusion system is erected, they are no longer victims but criminals and hence the slave trade continues unabated.

This is not new to the Anglo Saxon empire, every empire did the same, the Vietnamese tried the same brainwashing techniques against the American POWS and so did the Japanese, you had Somali trained generals by the USSR that came back as Marxist/Communists.

Your typical brainless conformist quackademic charlatan just regurgitating what he is spoon-fed whilst thinking he is somehow enlightened and everyone else is backward, but the reality is that even that thug on the street corner robbing people, that had no education is much smarter then him.

Every time I read such diatribe self-humiliating fecel defecation's from these conformist resident idiots, not only do I laugh at them and feel pity, but I thank the most high for not making me a spineless weak pathetic sheeple like these.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

So why are you guys against Al Shabab?

Al Shabab is a group led by Ethiopian intelligence to destabilize Somalia, they are not even Muslim let alone Islamic. Check out this thread I made:

http://www.somalispot.com/threads/a...an-intelligence-to-destabilize-somalia.20328/

 

[Raamsade]

Oh, you again.


So hol' up hol' up. You're comparing the current largely unorganised 'Jihadi' groups scattered across the globe, to the organised rebellions in the past Empires? Did someone lie to you and say Islam has completely no violence and is an Abrahamic version of Jainism? In the words of Cenk: OF COURSE there are civil wars/ rebellions/skirmishes/succession issues/foreign agitation in every organised empire/kingdom in the history of the world.

So what's your point mate? Does pointing out these events/struggles in the past Muslim empires conclusively disprove the current Jihadi-mercenary theory? Or are you straw-manning like the filthy gaal cuck that you are?

My point is: Why do you Islamist apologists always claim that Jihadis groups are puppets of Western intelligence agencies? Why can't they be Muslims who have theological and/or political disputes with fellow Muslims and who think wanton violence is legitimate means of settling that dispute? After all, as I noted above, Muslim-on-Muslims bloodletting has long pedigree in Islamic history. Implicit in this neigh reflexive accusation is the unstated premise that Muslims don't commit wanton violence against others like we see ISIS and other Jihadis do and the Muslims who commit violence are beholden to evil Western intelligence agencies. This is complete nonsense.

Strange how ex-Muslims spread themselves for the West no matter what topic we're discussing - philosophy, social issues, science, religion, biology, conspiracy, even food. Opposing or recognising the Western global oppressive choke-hold requires no spiritual allegiance - these are theories backed by historic facts. When you renounced your faith, did you renounce your aqal as well? You're not irreligious, you've adopted the religion of the globalist Westerners.

You're a confused child. I bear my allegiance to the TRUTH and I will always stand with the truth irrespective of the bearer of the truth. You clearly have inferiority complex vis-a-vis the West. Unlike you, I don't worship the West as I'm fully aware that not long ago the West was just as ignorant and superstitious as Islam today. If you stand for lies, ignorance, magical-thinking and bigotry you are my sworn enemy.

 

[Rorschach]

My point is: Why do you Islamist apologists always claim that Jihadis groups are puppets of Western intelligence agencies? Why can't they be Muslims who have theological and/or political disputes with fellow Muslims and who think wanton violence is legitimate means of settling that dispute? After all, as I noted above, Muslim-on-Muslims bloodletting has long pedigree in Islamic history. Implicit in this neigh reflexive accusation is the unstated premise that Muslims don't commit wanton violence against others like we see ISIS and other Jihadis do and the Muslims who commit violence are beholden to evil Western intelligence agencies. This is complete nonsense.




You're a confused child. I bear my allegiance to the TRUTH and I will always stand with the truth irrespective of the bearer of the truth. You clearly have inferiority complex vis-a-vis the West. Unlike you, I don't worship the West as I'm fully aware that not long ago the West was just as ignorant and superstitious as Islam today. If you stand for lies, ignorance, magical-thinking and bigotry you are my sworn enemy.

What are you on about? I've already explained that the foot-soldiers are sincere and have been duped by their superiors. These 'Jihadi' groups have been extensively studied by investigative journalists. Their ties to intelligence agencies is clear. If you read Jeremy Scahill's 'Dirty Wars' for example, you'll learn how the CIA used the warlords in south Somalia.

To add to this there are tonnes of historical examples ranging from multiple CIA operations in south-America, the Taliban, ties to b. Laden, etc.

You are a naive doqon who's caping for one of the most savage empires in world history. The covert (and overt) global damage caused by the British and their offspring the Americans across the ME, South-America, and Africa is unprecedented.

I agree that some Muslims can be a sensitive and conspiratorial to a fault, but that has no bearing on these foreign manipulative tactics. For some reason you're fucking denying war games as if we live in world run by altruists. Funding, arming, and supporting dissenting groups as a means of causing instability/regime change is foreign policy tactics 1-0-1.