Rumour is Cumar Cabdirashiid has joined Nabad iyo Nolol

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

I don't buy him leaving CBB having only apologized Abdirahman Abdishakur to able to work for his best friend Khayr campaign. Since then pro khayre CBBs been popping up again.

I wouldn't be surprised, it takes a certain type of personality to willingly spread lies.

 

[warside]

You clearly did not watch the hearing or read the whole judgement. The whole reason the ICJ made a new line is because there was an MOU. Without the MOU there would not be a case at ICJ, and there will not be any "small" part given to kenya. The line would hae been were it was, and it wouldn't be disputed at alll. You get it?

I watched the whole thing and read it after they published it on their page, you're the one who didn't watch it or didn't understand what they were saying.
this is the verdict (this link), tell me where does it says that.
this is the courts view on the MOU:
"the Court has already found that the MOU does not concern the delimitation of the maritime boundary between the Parties and was intended merely to allow them to make their CLCS submissions before the relevant deadline. It adds that the reference in the MOU to an unsettled maritime boundary “dispute” concerns only the delimitation of the outer continental shelf and simply recognizes that the Parties have not yet negotiated a formal agreement".

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

We should feed him Some Xalwo and Cheese. Mr. Xalweeyste is going broke from UAE and needs a new Xalwo supplier

Bro these corrupt politicians are not toys, some of them have committed treason and should be put on trial for it. Besides what value does he bring to N&N, he only brings baggage.

 

[TekNiKo]

Bro these corrupt politicians are not toys, some of them have committed treason and should be put on trial for it. Besides what value does he bring to N&N, he only brings baggage.

I was just trolling these Martian dwellers, I know he didnt join shit, but he is begging for change after UAE dumped him

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

I was just trolling these Martian dwellers, I know he didnt join shit, but he is begging for change after UAE dumped him

Cumar Cabdirashid is filthy rich, how much you think he got paid for the MOU, even if he was paid 1% of the real value we are talking tenths of millions here.

The broke guys are those begging him

 

[Waaqmasho]

I watched the whole thing and read it after they published it on their page, you're the one who didn't watch it or didn't understand what they were saying.
this is the verdict (this link), tell me where does it says that.
this is the courts view on the MOU:
"the Court has already found that the MOU does not concern the delimitation of the maritime boundary between the Parties and was intended merely to allow them to make their CLCS submissions before the relevant deadline. It adds that the reference in the MOU to an unsettled maritime boundary “dispute” concerns only the delimitation of the outer continental shelf and simply recognizes that the Parties have not yet negotiated a formal agreement".

Im basically repeating it again. Yes the icj did not recognize it as a formal agreement but it recognized it as an agreement showing there was a dispute which gives the court power to rule in this case. Your uncle cost us that much sea, its a fact. Without the mou there would be no case, court wouldnt rule at all. First understand why this went to court then speak.

You want to defend your traitor uncle we get it. If you lie all day it still wouldnr change what he is.

 

[warside]

Im basically repeating it again. Yes the icj did not recognize it as a formal agreement but it recognized it as an agreement showing there was a dispute which gives the court power to rule in this case. Your uncle cost us that much sea, its a fact. Without the mou there would be no case, court wouldnt rule at all. First understand why this went to court then speak.

You want to defend your traitor uncle we get it. If you lie all day it still wouldnr change what he is.

first of all I debunked your first lie, you said this: "The whole reason the ICJ made a new line is because there was an MOU", and that's a false as I explained earlier.
Your second argument is: "the MOU gives the court power to rule in this case" and that's also false. Do you even know how ICJ works?, let me tell you how it works. it's function is to settle legal disputes submitted by States, if Somalia or Kenya didn't submit anything to the court, ICJ can't rule on it, and if one country submits a case to the court, the court has the power to settle it with or without MOU. the court doesn't need a paper so it can tell that 2 countries are having a dispute, if a country submits a case that automatically means there's a dispute. don't say anything that comes to your mind or tell us the evidence so we can believe you.
Lastly the ad hominem will not bolster your argument, in fact I believe CCC is a typical useless Somali politician, he didn't even attend one session while he was a senator.

 

[Waaqmasho]

first of all I debunked your first lie, you said this: "The whole reason the ICJ made a new line is because there was an MOU", and that's a false as I explained earlier.
Your second argument is: "the MOU gives the court power to rule in this case" and that's also false. Do you even know how ICJ works?, let me tell you how it works. it's function is to settle legal disputes submitted by States, if Somalia or Kenya didn't submit anything to the court, ICJ can't rule on it, and if one country submits a case to the court, the court has the power to settle it with or without MOU. the court doesn't need a paper so it can tell that 2 countries are having a dispute, if a country submits a case that automatically means there's a dispute. don't say anything that comes to your mind or tell us the evidence so we can believe you.
Lastly the ad hominem will not bolster your argument, in fact I believe CCC is a typical useless Somali politician, he didn't even attend one session while he was a senator.

This is my last reply to this topic. I'm not sure whether you don't understand or you're acting dumb and trolling on purpose.

You didn't debunk anything dude. What's important is not the technical reason why the ICJ shifted the line. We all know it. What's important is WHY the ICJ had to make a ruling and hence make us lose a "Small" part of our ocean and why HSM had to go to court in the first place and let ICJ decide our maritime borders. There has been no dispute for more than 40 years but suddenly in 2009 there was a dispute. The MOU agreed there was a dispute and kenya and somalia would resolve it. Where was this dispute before? it did not exist. it meant that these waters were as somali as they could be. Compared to our waters anywhere. We had a monopoly this was our water. However, with the MOU signed it allowed kenya to negotiate what was previously non negotiable. We effectively recognized that this was not our water fully but we had disagreement with kenya. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

Let's recap, without the MOU the border would have been the real equidistance line. Like it was since we got the independence till 2009.

No no this is not about him being useless somali politician blah blah blah. This is about him being a traitor and agreeing to the MOU. Look at these documents, for kenya to submit to the comission it needed somali's consent. He granted it to kenya but didn't grant it to Yemen. That should explain it.

 

[Murax]

What the heck. Unless there is going to be a ‘Waziir X Box and Dining’ ministerial post I don’t see how he serves any purpose. That’s all be did working under Shariif.

I take that back, he did almost manage one thing, almost sold our sea for good

 

[TekNiKo]

What the heck. Unless there is going to be a ‘Waziir X Box and Dining’ ministerial post I don’t see how he serves any purpose. That’s all be did working under Shariif.

I take that back, he did almost manage one thing, almost sold our sea for good

He can becoming Minister of Gaming and Concessions he loves Playstation and Xalwo

 

[warside]

This is my last reply to this topic. I'm not sure whether you don't understand or you're acting dumb and trolling on purpose.

You didn't debunk anything dude. What's important is not the technical reason why the ICJ shifted the line. We all know it. What's important is WHY the ICJ had to make a ruling and hence make us lose a "Small" part of our ocean and why HSM had to go to court in the first place and let ICJ decide our maritime borders. There has been no dispute for more than 40 years but suddenly in 2009 there was a dispute. The MOU agreed there was a dispute and kenya and somalia would resolve it. Where was this dispute before? it did not exist. it meant that these waters were as somali as they could be. Compared to our waters anywhere. We had a monopoly this was our water. However, with the MOU signed it allowed kenya to negotiate what was previously non negotiable. We effectively recognized that this was not our water fully but we had disagreement with kenya. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

Let's recap, without the MOU the border would have been the real equidistance line. Like it was since we got the independence till 2009.

No no this is not about him being useless somali politician blah blah blah. This is about him being a traitor and agreeing to the MOU. Look at these documents, for kenya to submit to the comission it needed somali's consent. He granted it to kenya but didn't grant it to Yemen. That should explain it.

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First of all you seem to think the MOU is the 1st time Somalia admitted that there was a dispute, but Somalia lawyers were telling the court there was a dispute between the two countries since 1970s when Kenya started claiming these areas. no dispute means we're accepting Kenya's claim, and ICJ will give the territory to Kenya.

are you also against submitting the case to the ICJ, which is the same view of Kenya, because submitting the case to the court means there's a dispute, if the two countries are claiming overlapping territories that's a dispute whether you admit it or not.
this is what Somalia lawyers said at the court: "Somalia has brought these proceedings in accordance with its firm commitment to the rule of international law, in order to determine its disputed maritime boundary with Kenya in a manner that is peaceful, equitable and legally conclusive.". (this link)
do you also believe the people who submitted the case to the ICJ are traitors, because they admitted there's a dispute.

Also why're you not mentioning how the MOU helped our case when Kenya said that they were claiming the disputed area since 1979 and Somalia didn't protest against it?. if the court accepted that, the disputed area would have been given to Kenya.
This is how Somalia argued:

So if the MOU was so bad why Somalia lawyers were citing it as a defense of their arguments.
Now don't tell me your opinion about the MOU, go to the ICJ website and look at the documents submitted by Somalia and Kenya and see if you can find how the MOU harmed Somalia's case.
You can find all the documents in their website: (https://www.icj-cij.org/en/case/161)

 

[Murax]

He can becoming Minister of Gaming and Concessions he loves Playstation and Xalwo

 

[Kingmufasa]

First of all you seem to think the MOU is the 1st time Somalia admitted that there was a dispute, but Somalia lawyers were telling the court there was a dispute between the two countries since 1970s when Kenya started claiming these areas. no dispute means we're accepting Kenya's claim, and ICJ will give the territory to Kenya.
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are you also against submitting the case to the ICJ, which is the same view of Kenya, because submitting the case to the court means there's a dispute, if the two countries are claiming overlapping territories that's a dispute whether you admit it or not.
this is what Somalia lawyers said at the court: "Somalia has brought these proceedings in accordance with its firm commitment to the rule of international law, in order to determine its disputed maritime boundary with Kenya in a manner that is peaceful, equitable and legally conclusive.". (this link)
do you also believe the people who submitted the case to the ICJ are traitors, because they admitted there's a dispute.

Also why're you not mentioning how the MOU helped our case when Kenya said that they were claiming the disputed area since 1979 and Somalia didn't protest against it?. if the court accepted that, the disputed area would have been given to Kenya.
This is how Somalia argued:
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So if the MOU was so bad why Somalia lawyers were citing it as a defense of their arguments.
Now don't tell me your opinion about the MOU, go to the ICJ website and look at the documents submitted by Somalia and Kenya and see if you can find how the MOU harmed Somalia's case.
You can find all the documents in their website: (https://www.icj-cij.org/en/case/161)

Runta usheeg sxb. For too long weve spread lies without fully understanding it. Now that its in the open we shouldn't let those with agendas to continue to press their vendetta. Both CC's have many faults but selling the sea isn't one of them.