Reports of FGS Haramcad landing in Lascaanood to capture Eastern Sanaag

[Itsnotthateasy]

Hours earlier clashes erupted in Celbuh town, Sanaag, where politicians aligned with SSC where meeting:

Clashes erupt in Sanaag region between Puntland forces and pro-SSC administration politicians

Las Anod (HOL) — At least one civilian was killed and several others wounded on Saturday following a confrontation between Puntland security forces and a group of armed fighters loyal to Abdirashid Yusuf Jibriil, the former speaker of the Puntland Parliament.

www.hiiraan.com

 

[DR OSMAN]

I urge the puntite citizens in Sanaag, do not die for a man who is protecting his petty short term interests and not your well being, once the show is over, it's the state that counts only, we r not founded to be a state of politician interests or personalities, we aspire to be rules based state, a state based on institutions, offices, state organs not shaksiyaal(Somalis seem confused about state vs individuals). PL state way ka Wayn tahay arimo shaksiyeed or dano siyasadeed.

No-one is above the state, we all fall below it as it secures our collective well being.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I'm more interested in Ogaden closing the exit corridors in coordination with PL security forces and encircle isaaq at gabiley. I want to enter gabiley and pitch my Jabarti tent as a soljah not a traveller, guest, sheikh but a warrior with faqash made boots.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

Puntland media:

Puntland authorities dispatch delegation to meet with tribal leaders:

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

We need to stay out of these northern Harti business. Let them go under Gargurte or whether they fight or join SL. Non of our business

 

[Throughbred]

It's fake account , there is no haramcad in Sanaag region.

But I'm enjoying the tears of certain folks

 

[Throughbred]

The current state of the secessionists.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

I heard on twitter there’s supposed to be a meeting in Sanaag tomorrow

 

[DR OSMAN]

We need to stay out of these northern Harti business. Let them go under Gargurte or whether they fight or join SL. Non of our business

I wonder sometimes r u some undercover isaaq helping fuel Harti conflict and division, that shit so child like fkd while acting like U some mj nazi

PL was founded by Hartis and Leelkase not Majerten, PL isnt some clan state, it consist of clans only but they made a pact to save Somalia(which was off the map) while not neglecting themselves in the process(federalism) as was the case in 1960 to 1991.

Their was no appetite for a return of a centralised authority due to past experiment failures(civilian or military govt), plus the civil war context(warlords, terrorist, secessionist, moryans) and dozens of failed national conference indicated the federal path is basically holy scripture(ayah Qur'an) in Somali politics.

The state isn't your family or clan business, everyone pays taxes and everyone serves it in time of emergency or war. All residents are equal and under the state. Somalis think social identity or clan affiliation is what found the PL state, qabiil laguma heeshiya, but it's really the social will n aspirations(qadiyad) which then is converted into sharci guud(common laws) which everyone signs and defends till death do us part.

 

[Throughbred]

 

[DR OSMAN]

Imagine your face as a child being told by foreigners your ancestoral country is off the global map and global institutions and in some vacuum or void status(state death certificate) while trying to grow up in the west knowing this.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

It's fake account , there is no haramcad in Sanaag region.

But I'm enjoying the tears of certain folks

HSM is cooking something. Raskamboni part 2 (redemption).

 

[Throughbred]

HSM is cooking something. Raskamboni part 2 (redemption).

And your delusions vanished in the flames.

 

[DR OSMAN]

And your delusions vanished in the flames.

U need to toughen up like iman Ali on twitter and wage a war on centralist leaning clans, these niggas whole premise is federalism isn't working so let's re do the proven failed experiment from 1960 to 1991.

Federalism hasn't failed, it has teething issues only due to human toxicity not due to the framework has any real issue unlike consolidating power n resources in one city, one xaafis the villa, one clan make up hawiye locals.

That framework is dead on arrival, it will reverse every little gain we made and send the nation into 91 civil war conditions.i would begin prosecution and jail sentences for any civilian govt or kacaanist remnants in Somali politics. Somalia is beginning it's third republic thru a federal framework, no-one is daring touching any central format be it kacaanist or civilian govt.

 

[Medeea]

U need to toughen up like iman Ali on twitter and wage a war on centralist leaning clans, these niggas whole premise is federalism isn't working so let's re do the proven failed experiment from 1960 to 1991.

Federalism hasn't failed, it has teething issues only due to human toxicity not due to the framework has any real issue unlike consolidating power n resources in one city, one xaafis the villa, one clan make up hawiye locals.

That framework is dead on arrival, it will reverse every little gain we made and send the nation into 91 civil war conditions.i would begin prosecution and jail sentences for any civilian govt or kacaanist remnants in Somali politics. Somalia is beginning it's third republic thru a federal framework, no-one is daring touching any central format be it kacaanist or civilian govt.

OP posted(like usual) a completely fabricated fake news.

But what’s not fake news is the upcoming SSC meeting (assuming it doesn’t get canceled) in Sanaag.

You were some of the biggest supporters of federalism and self-determination. Why are you against the self-determination of the SSC community???
Are you a big bad centralist now???

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

OP posted(like usual) a completely fabricated fake news.

But what’s not fake news is the upcoming SSC meeting (assuming it doesn’t get canceled) in Sanaag.

You were some of the biggest supporters of federalism and self-determination. Why are you against the self-determination of the SSC community???
Are you a big bad centralist now???

Self-determination in the context of sovereign states makes sense. All states are equally sovereign (in theory) and have international law protections (in theory and often in practice). Self-determination within a soveriengn state is highly dependent on the conditions between the federal states and the central government. Micro states within a sovereign state cannot adequately bargain for themselves or even protect themselves from the central government.

Essentially it's just a divide and conquer strategy.
If you understand the political make up of the capital then this provides a double whammy because the core interests groups in the capital have no stake in periphery micro-states. In fact they benefit from political anarchy and dysfunction in the periphery (as a way of keeping more resources for themselves). It's quite simple and probably why nothing will come of it.

This structural issue is very much against the long term existence of micro states, not their creation though which could happen as a matter of grievances for example but in the long term these microstates would team up again to form larger states that would bargain for their rights effectively.

 

[TheLand]

I'm more interested in Ogaden closing the exit corridors in coordination with PL security forces and encircle isaaq at gabiley. I want to enter gabiley and pitch my Jabarti tent as a soljah not a traveller, guest, sheikh but a warrior with faqash made boots.

Horta Muslim matahay adiga? All I ever see you talk about is ‘my daddy’ iyo ‘faqash’.

 

[Abdisamad]

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[Medeea]

Self-determination in the context of sovereign states makes sense. All states are equally sovereign (in theory) and have international law protections (in theory and often in practice). Self-determination within a soveriengn state is highly dependent on the conditions between the federal states and the central government. Micro states within a sovereign state cannot adequately bargain for themselves or even protect themselves from the central government.

You’re literally describing isaaqland. lol the irony

Essentially it's just a divide and conquer strategy.
If you understand the political make up of the capital then this provides a double whammy because the core interests groups in the capital have no stake in periphery micro-states. In fact they benefit from political anarchy and dysfunction in the periphery. It's quite simple and probably why nothing will come of it.

If I were HSM, that’s exactly what I would’ve done.
But let’s be honest, neither HSM nor other HAGs have that kind of foresight or the capacity to pull it off. The FGS’s recent shift is purely about the upcoming elections and SSC’s MPs. Nothing else.

As for the Dhulos, It’s all about self determination and ending their status as the kashmir of Somalia.
I’ll ask again, why are you against the self determination of western Hartis, yet expect everyone to accept Isaaqland? Is it hypocrisy, arrogance, collective narcissism or all the above?

This structural issue is very much against the long term existence of micro states, not their creation though which could happen as a matter of grievances for example but in the long term these microstates would team up again to form larger states that would bargain for their rights effectively.

If SSC gonna ally with anyone, it’ll be PL(assuming the short-sighted mafia in Garowe doesn’t fk it up) and then HAG. For them, Hargysa’s ictraaf is an existential threat.

Come on bro, you’re smarter than that.