Reply of the Moroccan Sultan to the British regarding slavery

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Reply of the Moroccan Sultan to the British regarding slavery​

On 22nd January 1842, in Tangier, a letter was written by the British Consul General Drummond Hay [1816-1893 CE] to the Sultān of Morocco, Moulay Ábd al-Rahmān ibn Hishām [1204-1276 AH / 1789-1859 CE], asking him what action he had taken for abolishment/curtailment of slavery.

The Sultan responded in a letter dated to the 23rd Dhu’l Hijjah 1257 AH which corresponded to the 4th February 1842 CE. After beginning with the name of Allāh, the Sultan states:

“Be it known to you, that the traffic in slaves is a matter on which all sects and nations have agreed from the time of the sons of Adam, on whom be the Peace of God, up to this day, and we are not aware of its being prohibited by the Laws of any sect, and no one need ask this question; the same being manifest to both high and low and requires no more demonstration than the light of day.”

From this we may see that at this point in time, the Sultan was not aware of any sect or group claiming that slavery is prohibited, and therefore such ideas certainly arose later.

It also reinforces the fact that the Muslim rulers were not interested in abolishing slavery from their own will, nor did they see any religious prohibition for it, but rather the incentive and pressure to abolish slavery came purely from the West.

Indeed, in our times there are no legal slaves according to the Sharīáh, however this does not mean it was ever completely prohibited for all times, nor does it mean it is now something we may consider immoral. Nor do we come up with absurd theories and slogans such as, “Islām came to abolish slavery”.

Slavery has been permitted in the Sharīáh when the conditions for it are met, and there is nothing to be ashamed of regarding this. There is nothing immoral or evil in slavery according to the way of the Sharīáh.

May Allāh allow us to consider permissible and pure what He and His Rasūl ﷺ have declared to be so, even if the entire world opposes it.

 

[Qeelbax]

Why tf do you want to enslave people, you weird ass nigga?

 

[Erythrean]

Why do you want this to come back? You’d be the first to be thrown in chains.

 

[Nikka]

Reply of the Moroccan Sultan to the British regarding slavery​

On 22nd January 1842, in Tangier, a letter was written by the British Consul General Drummond Hay [1816-1893 CE] to the Sultān of Morocco, Moulay Ábd al-Rahmān ibn Hishām [1204-1276 AH / 1789-1859 CE], asking him what action he had taken for abolishment/curtailment of slavery.

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The Sultan responded in a letter dated to the 23rd Dhu’l Hijjah 1257 AH which corresponded to the 4th February 1842 CE. After beginning with the name of Allāh, the Sultan states:

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“Be it known to you, that the traffic in slaves is a matter on which all sects and nations have agreed from the time of the sons of Adam, on whom be the Peace of God, up to this day, and we are not aware of its being prohibited by the Laws of any sect, and no one need ask this question; the same being manifest to both high and low and requires no more demonstration than the light of day.”

From this we may see that at this point in time, the Sultan was not aware of any sect or group claiming that slavery is prohibited, and therefore such ideas certainly arose later.

It also reinforces the fact that the Muslim rulers were not interested in abolishing slavery from their own will, nor did they see any religious prohibition for it, but rather the incentive and pressure to abolish slavery came purely from the West.

Indeed, in our times there are no legal slaves according to the Sharīáh, however this does not mean it was ever completely prohibited for all times, nor does it mean it is now something we may consider immoral. Nor do we come up with absurd theories and slogans such as, “Islām came to abolish slavery”.

Slavery has been permitted in the Sharīáh when the conditions for it are met, and there is nothing to be ashamed of regarding this. There is nothing immoral or evil in slavery according to the way of the Sharīáh.

May Allāh allow us to consider permissible and pure what He and His Rasūl ﷺ have declared to be so, even if the entire world opposes it.

Nigga if slavery was still around The Arabs would enslave every madow living amongst them.
Don't think they will spare you for being Ana Arab.

 

[Qeelbax]

Nigga if slavery was still around The Arabs would enslave every madow living amongst them

Salafism doesn't allow critical thinking or preventing things that are harmful in society, you know since everything is "bidah" to them.

 

[Erythrean]

BLM Xalimo: We ThE bLaCks DoNt WaNt To Be OpPrEsSeD aGaIn

 

[johnsepei5]

Nigga if slavery was still around The Arabs would enslave every madow living amongst them.
Don't think they will spare you for being Ana Arab.

Muslims can’t enslave fellow Muslims at least shit on Ana arabs properly

 

[Omar del Sur]

Salafism doesn't allow critical thinking or preventing things that are harmful in society, you know since everything is "bidah" to them.

OP is a Sufi.

 

[Nilotic]

Wait, are there people that actually support slavery?

 

[Omar del Sur]

Wait, are there people that actually support slavery?

as long as it's halal, there's nothing wrong with it. there shouldn't be any moral standard or criteria outside of Islam.

also with Islam it isn't a race thing but it's Westerners that made it a race thing and so a lot of the discussion regarding the topic has been tainted by things that have nothing to do with Islam.

 

[Omar del Sur]

according to the Quran, the Quran is Al-Furqan. if people don't accept that I don't get why they don't just go all the way and become atheist or something. it's very clear from the Islamic viewpoint that it's Islam that tells you what's right and what isn't.

if other people want to pick and choose what parts of Islam they want to believe in, I guess it is what it is but they have no right to try to impose whatever version of Islam it is they invent on people who simply want to follow Islam properly. you're supposed to believe the whole thing, not just the bits and pieces that appeal to you

 

[Omar del Sur]

 

[Nikka]

according to the Quran, the Quran is Al-Furqan. if people don't accept that I don't get why they don't just go all the way and become atheist or something. it's very clear from the Islamic viewpoint that it's Islam that tells you what's right and what isn't.

if other people want to pick and choose what parts of Islam they want to believe in, I guess it is what it is but they have no right to try to impose whatever version of Islam it is they invent on people who simply want to follow Islam properly. you're supposed to believe the whole thing, not just the bits and pieces that appeal to you

Who introduced you to this forum or did you come upon it by pure chance.

 

[Erythrean]

Wait, are there people that actually support slavery?

These guys are shitposting. Don’t fall for it.

 

[Nilotic]

as long as it's halal, there's nothing wrong with it. there shouldn't be any moral standard or criteria outside of Islam.

I can only see this making sense if the slaves in question were enemy combatants from an aggressor Nation.

Do the children of slaves inherit the slave status?

also with Islam it isn't a race thing but it's Westerners that made it a race thing and so a lot of the discussion regarding the topic has been tainted by things that have nothing to do with Islam.

It really doesn't matter what race they are; if the slaves were civilians; and they didn't attack Muslims or the Ummah... enslaving them is unjustifiable

 

[Omar del Sur]

It really doesn't matter what race they are; if the slaves were civilians; and they didn't attack Muslims or the Ummah... enslaving them is unjustifiable

If Islam says it's justified, it's justified. I don't know all the rulings regarding slavery but I know Islam is right one hundred percent of the time.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Who introduced you to this forum or did you come upon it by pure chance.

I actually don't really remember. I think I was looking up info about the Ogaden War.

 

[Hamzza]

Wait, are there people that actually support slavery?

We Muslims regard our ethics to come from Allah. The same Allah who sent down the Messengers, Nuh, Ibrahim, Mussa, Issa and finally the Khatimul Nabiyiin our prophet Muhammad ﷺ. The God of Torah and Injiil. Therefore, everything he allowed and did is morally 100% correct to us.

Saying I'm not pleased with the rulings of Allah or saying what Allah made legal is morally wrong to me can constitute Kufr.

 

[NordicSomali]

Why tf do you want to enslave people, you weird ass nigga?

Why even make this post? Is this a defence of slavery?

 

[datqwan1730]

One of the best actions in Islam is the freeing of a slave. Also one usually frees a slave as an expiration of certain sins.