Remember we are in our sheegad phase

[El Nino]

Sheegad = pretenders, in somali context it means people who falsely claim another clan. They are mocked and discriminated against. At the same time they are protected and even assimilated by their host clan.

Now in our western context, we have the citizenship of our host nations, making us legally equal to the cadaans. They have given us a lot, but deep down they and us know we are just sheegads, looking for protection and safety. We can assimilate but that means losing yourself.

Sheegads in Somalia were not discriminated without a reason. They were dangerous, likely abandoning the host clan after enjoying the hosts safety and pasture. Even joining in a war against them.

Its the same thing with us in the west minus offcourse all the killing. We are to benefit, to educate and employ ourselves, while our own nation stabilises. We do not own anything to gaalada, except obeying the sharci.

This is not exclusive to somalis, its practically the whole world who does this. How did europeans get so advanced? They copied first and then surpassed the very folks they copied from.

 

[Sophisticate]

I don't know if the 'West' is a good demonstration of the concept.

You live in a pluralistic society where you have others from diverse backgrounds. Your naturalization or birth in the host nation does not imply absolute allegiance nor is the identity as myopic as say a clan identity. Ethnic minorities vary according to their level of integration and assimilation. Also, assimilation is a word with a pejorative slant. It implies wholesale adoption of the customs, culture and identity of the dominant group in tandem with forgetting ones own cultural identity. Not necessarily a healthy amalgamation of your cultural roots and that of your host nation.

 

[El Nino]

I don't know if the 'West' is a good demonstration of the concept.

You live in a pluralistic society where you have others from diverse backgrounds. Your naturalization or birth in the host nation does not imply absolute allegiance nor is the identity as myopic as say a clan identity. Ethnic minorities vary according to their level of integration and assimilation. Also, assimilation is a word with a pejorative slant. It implies wholesale adoption of the customs, culture and identity of the dominant group in tandem with forgetting ones own cultural identity. Not necessarily a healthy amalgamation of your cultural and that of your host nation.

I have to be honest, I have failed to grasp what you mean. Im lost kkkk

 

[reer_ugaas_hussein]

Your naturalization or birth in the host nation does not imply absolute allegiance nor is the identity as myopic as say a clan identity.

this is only true in north america where even the majority population (white) are themselves immigrants and they don't define their nationality by ethnictiy only, but not in europe abaayo, europeans in general demand total assimilation. You can be a Somali-american but you can't be Somali-belgian or somali-german

 

[Madaafiic]

I have to be honest, I have failed to grasp what you mean. Im lost kkkk

I think what OP meant was just because you obtained citizenship from a nation through certain circumstances such as your birth or naturalization, doesn't necessarily mean you are loyal to that said nation and even your status or identity in that said society isn't as insular, strict and rudimentary as our clan societies back home. As for the word "assimilation", it's a negative connotation because it suggests completely adopting the customs, culture, and identity of the dominant group while forgetting one's own cultural identity. This doesn't necessarily lead to a healthy blending of your culture and that of the country you live in

 

[World]

this is only true in north america where even the majority population (white) are themselves immigrants and they don't define their nationality by ethnictiy only, but not in europe abaayo, europeans in general demand total assimilation. You can be a Somali-american but you can't be Somali-belgian or somali-german

I think it’s true for Anglo countries in general, not just North America. You’ll always be viewed as an outsider in Sweden, but not in England.

 

[Abbondanzieri1]

Sheegad = pretenders, in somali context it means people who falsely claim another clan. They are mocked and discriminated against. At the same time they are protected and even assimilated by their host clan.

Now in our western context, we have the citizenship of our host nations, making us legally equal to the cadaans. They have given us a lot, but deep down they and us know we are just sheegads, looking for protection and safety. We can assimilate but that means losing yourself.

Sheegads in Somalia were not discriminated without a reason. They were dangerous, likely abandoning the host clan after enjoying the hosts safety and pasture. Even joining in a war against them.

Its the same thing with us in the west minus offcourse all the killing. We are to benefit, to educate and employ ourselves, while our own nation stabilises. We do not own anything to gaalada, except obeying the sharci.

This is not exclusive to somalis, its practically the whole world who does this. How did europeans get so advanced? They copied first and then surpassed the very folks they copied from.

from the podcast post your "Ajnabi cadaan" comments i was pretty sure you was a sheegato yourself mate ngl

 

[El Nino]

this is only true in north america where even the majority population (white) are themselves immigrants and they don't define their nationality by ethnictiy only, but not in europe abaayo, europeans in general demand total assimilation. You can be a Somali-american but you can't be Somali-belgian or somali-german

There is a lot of folks here from North America where the dynamics are completely different. Americans don’t have a default culture, while europeans have. I also would exclude somalis from Europe who live in foreigner enclaves, they are also kinda out of touch with reality. There is a clear ethnic divide and as a person who has lived in a 99% cadaan neighbourhood, been to their school and worked in a completely cadaan job, I have gotten a good touch to my host countries culture since I was born. Even then their culture feels very alien sometimes. In order for me to truly feel included in the society I would have to abandon my own culture, religion and bleach my skin ( or marry their woman).

But I am a sheegad. I aint here to assimilate.

 

[El Nino]

I think what OP meant was just because you obtained citizenship from a nation through certain circumstances such as your birth or naturalization, doesn't necessarily mean you are loyal to that said nation and even your status or identity in that said society isn't as insular, strict and rudimentary as our clan societies back home. As for the word "assimilation", it's a negative connotation because it suggests completely adopting the customs, culture, and identity of the dominant group while forgetting one's own cultural identity. This doesn't necessarily lead to a healthy blending of your culture and that of the country you live in

I wanted to point out with my post our predicament in the west and roughly compared to the situation sheegads are in Somalia. Let me clear my thinking little bit more.

Somalis have a famous saying ” Ama buur ahay misa buur kutirso” Be a mountain or lean onto one. Be a person one can lean or lean on to a good strong person. Our nation failed to be the
”mountain” we could lean on and its slowly growing back. Meanwhile we are leaning onto another ”mountain” but this mountain only tolerates us, using us for its own interest (cheap workforce). It will discard us or we will discard it.

 

[El Nino]

from the podcast post your "Ajnabi cadaan" comments i was pretty sure you was a sheegato yourself mate ngl

Sheegad for having forward thinking, ciyaarta meeshaan naga daa niyow.

 

[Khaem]

this is only true in north america where even the majority population (white) are themselves immigrants and they don't define their nationality by ethnictiy only, but not in europe abaayo, europeans in general demand total assimilation. You can be a Somali-american but you can't be Somali-belgian or somali-german

Exactly, if you wanna live in America as a Somali you can live as both identities no issue.
But in Europe the nation and the ethnicity are the same. You cannot become french without whole heartedly throwing everything away In favour of being the same as a french, language, religion, culture, cuisine, dress ect.
But even then, if you don't look the part then you are still a Shisheeye. Life would get easier if you assimilate but you would still be reminded you're a foriengier if you push it. Phenotypes matter alot also, neighbours who migrate into each others country can easily assimilate and become part of the other nation because of similarities.
Eastern Europeans migrate to Germany and England and many assimilate and become a full Englishman or German within a generation. Meanwhile that whitewashed 3rd gen Indian is still getting called Raj.
Seen it with my own eyes.
That's my why parents always drilled it into me since I could remember that I am always from djibouti. My passport is British but my people and country are Djibouti. I'm a different people to the ones I live with.

 

[Abbondanzieri1]

Sheegad for having forward thinking, ciyaarta meeshaan naga daa niyow.

never in my life seen one dating an Cadaan unless dude was a revert lmao

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

this is only true in north america where even the majority population (white) are themselves immigrants and they don't define their nationality by ethnictiy only, but not in europe abaayo, europeans in general demand total assimilation. You can be a Somali-american but you can't be Somali-belgian or somali-german

Europe is a different breed no wonder why immigrants struggle so much out there compared to North America

 

[World]

Exactly, if you wanna live in America as a Somali you can live as both identities no issue.
But in Europe the nation and the ethnicity are the same. You cannot become french without whole heartedly throwing everything away In favour of being the same as a french, language, religion, culture, cuisine, dress ect.
But even then, if you don't look the part then you are still a Shisheeye. Life would get easier if you assimilate but you would still be reminded you're a foriengier if you push it. Phenotypes matter alot also, neighbours who migrate into each others country can easily assimilate and become part of the other nation because of similarities.
Eastern Europeans migrate to Germany and England and many assimilate and become a full Englishman or German within a generation. Meanwhile that whitewashed 3rd gen Indian is still getting called Raj.
Seen it with my own eyes.
That's my why parents always drilled it into me since I could remember that I am always from djibouti. My passport is British but my people and country are Djibouti. I'm a different people to the ones I live with.

I agree but not sure why you’re including Britain with Europe. The English and Scottish Prime Minister’s from both countries are South Asians. We’re more like America than other European countries.

 

[Khaem]

I agree but not sure why you’re including British with Europe. The English and Scottish Prime Minister’s from both countries are South Asians. We’re more like America than other European countries.

That's somewhat true, the uk is more open but It still applies in daily life as a non cadaan.
Migrants won't have nearly as much a trouble in England as they would in France which has slums of 3rd & 4th gen Algerians

 

[World]

That's somewhat true, the uk is more open but It still applies in daily life as a non cadaan.
Migrants won't have nearly as much a trouble in England as they would in France which has slums of 3rd & 4th gen Algerians

Being an immigrants doesn’t limit you from climbing the social ladder in England. I’m a Muslim refugee that grew up in a council house but now I got a degree and work in Tech. How does it affect my daily life if that’s the case?

 

[Khaem]

Being an immigrants doesn’t limit you from climbing the social ladder in England. I’m a Muslim refugee that grew up in a council house but now I got a degree and work in Tech. How does it affect my daily life if that’s the case?

I'm not talking about it in that way. In England or any Anglo society an immigrant can become successful if they work hard. I'm talking about the fact I would never call my self an Englishman. Or British since that would be weird compared to living in America and being able to call myself such.

 

[Gojo Satoru]

I have to be honest, I have failed to grasp what you mean. Im lost kkkk

The average sspotter

 

[DubatDiaries]

It’s the same thing with us in the west minus offcourse all the killing. We are to benefit, to educate and employ ourselves, while our own nation stabilises. We do not own anything to gaalada, except obeying the sharci

wouldn’t this mean you should be denied the right to vote since you don’t care for the long term welfare of the country?

Sheegads in Somalia were not discriminated without a reason. They were dangerous, likely abandoning the host clan after enjoying the hosts safety and pasture. Even joining in a war against them

This reminds me. I saw a post about a Somali woman in the US army and people were freaking out at her, Somali and ajanabi alike. What’s wrong with fighting for the country that has given you freedom, opportunity and treats you with dignity? Maybe we need to drop the “sheegaad” behaviour.

 

[El Nino]

The average sspotter

Hey hey knock it off