Refugee "crisis" in the west

[notinuse.]

Interesting I saw this debate between @Lebron James and @Yaraye about why the west allows millions of refugees, both made good points however I'm still puzzled. If the west is suffering from factors like population decline and lack of enough workforce why couldn't they just take in economical migrants like Eastern Europeans who share more cultural and societal similarities or even Indian and South East asian immigrants who often interagrate better instead of refugees from complete opposite cultures and religious beliefs?

Is it perhaps some sinister plan to neo-colonise middle Eastern and African countries by taking in most of their people ?? Or is just them trying to help out innocent citizens who were effected by war in their home countries.

 

[Internet Nomad]

I think they want cheap labour and they dont really care where it comes from tbh. You need to differinate the two classes of cadaan people. The top 10% and the bottom 90%. The bottom 90% oppose this immigration as it brings in more competition for jobs and crime. The top 10% live in such a secluded bubble that they don't care what the effects are of unregulated immigration as they will never see them.

 

[notinuse.]

I think they want cheap labour and they dont really care where it comes from tbh. You need to differinate the two classes of cadaan people. The top 10% and the bottom 90%. The bottom 90% oppose this immigration as it brings in more competition for jobs and crime. The top 10% live in such a secluded bubble that they don't care what the effects are of unregulated immigration as they will never see them.

I am informed about classism however refugees aren't cheap though? Most of them live off benefits and government support for the first view years unlike economical immigrants, if anything it would be cheaper easier to go for the latter option.

 

[dekiteshim]

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[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Africa is the only continent left which isn’t aging or has a below replacement level birth rate and the population is set to triple over the next century it can provide immigrants for Europe for the next 80 years no problem already 30 percent of births worldwide are black African Somalis included the worlds future workforce is African Europeans and Americans understand this and are now investing in Africa

 

[Internet Nomad]

I am informed about classism however refugees aren't cheap though? Most of them live off benefits and government support for the first view years unlike economical immigrants, if anything it would be cheaper easier to go for the latter option.

They do lose money with benifits but i think they make more profit from the taxes. Also when you consider that most of these refuges are young men who obviously like money. Most wont just sit idly with benefits money.

There has to be a profit margin somewhere, i always here about how refugees are good for the economy.

 

[notinuse.]

They do lose money with benifits but i think they make more profit from the taxes. Also when you consider that most of these refuges are young men who obviously like money. Most wont just sit idly with benefits money.

There has to be a profit margin somewhere, i always here about how refugees are good for the economy.

If that was the case why aren't countries like Japan doing the same since they have an even worse population decline ?

 

[Internet Nomad]

If that was the case why aren't countries like Japan doing the same since they have an even worse population decline ?

Japan is way too xenophobic to allow such a thing. They would rather have their economy collapse.

What i always wonder why do these first world nations population drop so hard. Why don't their government create incentives for people to have children.

 

[Testo 21]

Japan is way too xenophobic to allow such a thing. They would rather have their economy collapse.

What i always wonder why do these first world nations population drop so hard. Why don't their government create incentives for people to have children.

Nordic countries do. And few other dev. Countries. Only handful nations encourage its citizen to do more babies

 

[Yaraye]

Interesting I saw this debate between @Lebron James and @Yaraye about why the west allows millions of refugees, both made good points however I'm still puzzled. If the west is suffering from factors like population decline and lack of enough workforce why couldn't they just take in economical migrants like Eastern Europeans who share more cultural and societal similarities or even Indian and South East asian immigrants who often interagrate better instead of refugees from complete opposite cultures and religious beliefs?

Is it perhaps some sinister plan to neo-colonise middle Eastern and African countries by taking in most of their people ?? Or is just them trying to help out innocent citizens who were effected by war in their home countries.

These eastern European people have relatively stable countries. They are the majority there, not an influx of immigrants in their countries like the other Western nations, they speak the language/ have the culture there and most of all they are treated like 1st class citizens. Why would they need to go to other western countries where life would just be harder for them? Sure some of these eastern europeans go to other western countries to study, and some of them even stay there. However most of them return home for the reasons I stated before. Also they are not migrating to the west in huge numbers like refugees are. These huge numbers a necessity to fill in the ever growing gap. So eastern europeans can't be a reliable source to constant fill in the workforce gap
Now during the russia/ukraine war, many western countries are taking in eastern Europeans in. These eastern europeans are being placed in the neighborhoods/schools of refugees. In fact refugees are being evicted due to the higher priority being placed on eastern europeans (since they are fellow cadaans).
The way how African refugees are being treated now shows you that this was never the goodness out of cadaan's hearts. African refugees used to be considered a reliable source that western countries could have been counted to fill in the gap since eastern europeans had no reasons to leave their home/country/soil but now that the european refugees are incoming, african refugees are being displaced/tossed like a tissue. Sure african refugees are still being allowed in but the Ukrainians and other eastern europeans have higher priority. Like I said, cadaans don't help out of the goodness of their hearts.

 

[A Mean Guy]

Japan is way too xenophobic to allow such a thing. They would rather have their economy collapse.

What i always wonder why do these first world nations population drop so hard. Why don't their government create incentives for people to have children.

Incentives to have children rarely work since the people are already use to having a shitty life and don't want to bring children into it. In Japan, Families are paid up to $2,448.98 for giving birth to a child. In addition, some Japanese employers offer bonuses to their employees for having babies. (Child benefit act)
The governments in china, Japan and Western countries just want to dish out some money to people having children without actually trying to solve the underlying issue (housing prices, Cost of living).
Lastly, it's just not cool to have many children anymore, in the old days people bragged about having many children, however, the inverse is true in this day and age.

 

[Keep it a boqol]

uk is filled with gypsies, Romanians, polish and other Eastern Europeans it’s not just brown folk. However Indians defiantly make the bulk of migrants in Europe. North America it’s asians and latinos

 

[notinuse.]

These eastern European people have relatively stable countries. They are the majority there, not an influx of immigrants in their countries like the other Western nations, they speak the language/ have the culture there and most of all they are treated like 1st class citizens. Why would they need to go to other western countries where life would just be harder for them? Sure some of these eastern europeans go to other western countries to study, and some of them even stay there. However most of them return home for the reasons I stated before. Also they are not migrating to the west in huge numbers like refugees are. These huge numbers a necessity to fill in the ever growing gap. So eastern europeans can't be a reliable source to constant fill in the workforce gap
Now during the russia/ukraine war, many western countries are taking in eastern Europeans in. These eastern europeans are being placed in the neighborhoods/schools of refugees. In fact refugees are being evicted due to the higher priority being placed on eastern europeans (since they are fellow cadaans).
The way how African refugees are being treated now shows you that this was never the goodness out of cadaan's hearts. African refugees used to be considered a reliable source that western countries could have been counted to fill in the gap since eastern europeans had no reasons to leave their home/country/soil but now that the european refugees are incoming, african refugees are being displaced/tossed like a tissue. Sure african refugees are still being allowed in but the Ukrainians and other eastern europeans have higher priority. Like I said, cadaans don't help out of the goodness of their hearts.

I visited England and there were tons of Easter Europeans already living and working there, hence why I mentioned them. Outside of the Ukraine-Russia conflict Eastern Europe's shitty economy is one of the main reason why many of them immigrate to the west and for work and live here, so them becoming a higher priority could indeed lead to the west rejecting mass of African and Middle Eastern refugees in the future.

 

[Dualke]

Cheap labor. Eastern Europeans and East Asians have higher standards due to their better standards of living. Africans from dirt-poor nations will be willing to do anything regardless of how shitty it is.
This doesn't just apply to Africans but anyone from underdeveloped countries.