Reer xamar start waking up after Puntland victory against ISIS.

[TheLand]

You are displaying feminine energy here talking about butthurt and all, jealousy etc.

Remember no one is forcing you to respond to my post or even read it (you can put me on ignore ).

Some of you need to grow up and Mann up really. The moment anyone offers a differing perspective to your opinion on regions and Somali politics, you start throwing your toys out of the pram.

I made two simple points in response to this thread.

1, Muqdisho security has improved. *note, I never said it is perfect. You called me a liar instead of respectfully disagreeing and offering evidence to suggest otherwise.

Labo: while PL population support for the offensive is admirable and the southerners can learn a thing or two, the dynamics are different in many ways. Dacish and shabab aren’t the same in power, strength, numbers and resources in Somalia. I simply don’t don’t believe PL has found the magic bullet to counter these kinds of groups, especially since they have aerial support and Dacish roughly number less than a thousand men.

It is you who is displaying ‘feminine energy’ with your ridiculous lack of logic. Did Somalia start a campaign against shebab? Where large swathes of territory captured from shebab? Was that campaign abandoned in order to focus on unilaterally changing the constitution? The answers to all of these are yes. Everything else you are saying is moot because Somalia gave up the fight against shebab. Have you ever heard of macawisley? They’ve had tremendous success against shebab on their own, just like PL. Much like PL they had no other support. All you are doing is making excuses and that is not what a grown man does. It’s pathetic. I didn’t even mention that just last week there were two drones over villa Somalia for hours. They could not be brought down. You want to talk about improved security? Get out of your feelings and tell it to someone that doesn’t know the reality on the ground sxb. It’s because of people with your exact mentality of excuses that Somalia never makes any progress.

 

[Riftvalley]

Haha, they're on their last legs. PL blitzkrieg has dwindled their hideout places to a few km. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this war ends by next week.

That would be great and admirable. Does that mean this can be easily replicated in the South against Shab who are almost ten times the size of Dacish and have 20 years of guerila warfare experience?

You have already said Dacish in pl largely consists of foreigners. How can you compare with shabab who consists largely of Somalis and have access to indoctrinate/recruit large numbers of Somali children across a diverse clan pool? Shabab runs a an alternative tax and governance system in large swathes of southern Somalia. These dudes penetrate as far as northern Kenya. You can’t compare to 800 dudes largely consisting of non Somalis holed up in caves.

I think the sheikh is being naive and doesn’t understand the difficult situation the average citizen faces in the south if they speak out against shabab. This is why I’m saying you can’t really compare the two situations.

 

[TheLand]

state level surveillance of communication and money transfer with strict policy against working with Alshabaab will work.

The state itself is filled with shabaab.

 

[Midas]

That would be great and admirable. Does that mean this can be easily replicated in the South against Shab who are almost ten times the size of Dacish and have 20 years of guerila warfare experience?

You have already said Dacish in pl largely consists of foreigners. How can you compare with shabab who consists largely of Somalis and have access to indoctrinate/recruit large numbers of Somali children across a diverse clan pool? Shabab runs a an alternative tax and governance system in large swathes of southern Somalia. These dudes penetrate as far as northern Kenya. You can’t compare to 800 dudes largely consisting of non Somalis holed up in caves.

I think the sheikh is being naive and doesn’t understand the difficult situation the average citizen faces in the south if they speak out against shabab. This is why I’m saying you can’t really compare the two situations.

I don't know why people are having a hard time getting your point and reacting so defensively. It's wonderful that puntland is getting rid of isis in the mountains. But to act like that is the same as fighting alshabab who's been around for almost 20 years controls a huge amount of the trade in southern somalia and has ingrained networks everywhere in somalia is laughable.

 

[Riftvalley]

It is you who is displaying ‘feminine energy’ with your ridiculous lack of logic. Did Somalia start a campaign against shebab? Where large swathes of territory captured from shebab? Was that campaign abandoned in order to focus on unilaterally changing the constitution? The answers to all of these are yes. Everything else you are saying is moot because Somalia gave up the fight against shebab. Have you ever heard of macawisley? They’ve had tremendous success against shebab on their own, just like PL. Much like PL they had no other support. All you are doing is making excuses and that is not what a grown man does. It’s pathetic. I didn’t even mention that just last week there were two drones over villa Somalia for hours. They could not be brought down. You want to talk about improved security? Get out of your feelings and tell it to someone that doesn’t know the reality on the ground sxb. It’s because of people with your exact mentality of excuses that Somalia never makes any progress.

Muqdisho improved security is factual and not something we need to argue about. Anecdotal evidence of some security incidents does not mean there has not been an improvement.

As for macawisley, it is based on the Iraqi Sahwa tribal model and not necessarily fit for all Somali provinces because the political conditions are not all similar.

Indeed, the Somali government has failed in the war. Having said that, it is clear the Somalia gov still doesn’t not have right weaponry and man power to cleanse all of southern Somalia from shabab and hold onto the captured territory.

If you think Puntland operations against Dacish cave dweller is a model to defeat shabab you’re more deluded than I thought.

We are still comparing a relatively newer and smaller organisation to a group who have been operating for more than a decade and run a parallel gov structure.

 

[TheLand]

I don't know why people are having a hard time getting your point and reacting so defensively. It's wonderful that puntland is getting rid of isis in the mountains. But to act like that is the same as fighting alshabab who's been around for almost 20 years controls a huge amount of the trade in southern somalia and has ingrained networks everywhere in somalia is laughable.

Why has it taken 20 years? These are just sad excuses sxb.

 

[TheLand]

Muqdisho improved security is factual and not something we need to argue about. Anecdotal evidence of some security incidents does not mean there has not been an improvement.

As for macawisley, it is based on the Iraqi Sahwa tribal model and not necessarily fit for all Somali provinces because the political conditions are not all similar.

Indeed, the Somali government has failed in the war. Having said that, it is clear the Somalia gov still doesn’t not have right weaponry and man power to cleanse all of southern Somalia from shabab and hold onto the captured territory.

If you think Puntland operations against Dacish cave dweller is a model to defeat shabab you’re more deluded than I thought.

We are still comparing a relatively newer and smaller organisation to a group who have been operating for more than a decade and run a parallel gov structure.

You start off by making a proclamation without any evidence then say in the next line that I’m suing anecdotal evidence. Everything you do is just excuses and deflections. Whose fault is it that shabaab is so powerful in the south in the first place? Can you answer that? You act like they just came out of nowhere. The fact that you say Somalias government needs more weapons is another joke too. What do they need? Apache helicopters, Ac-130 gunships to fight a ragtag militia of a few thousand with ak’s? How about a nuke then? Unless you own up to your failures down there nothing will ever improve. So far nothing you have said includes any inkling of a plan or even an idea of how to defeat them. You have no idea what the situation is down there.

I also find it hilarious how you said PL hasn’t defeated ISIS yet, as if the campaign has been going on for months. It started at the very end of December and is almost over. It’s clear you don’t like PL success against IS because of how it makes you look in accepting the status quo with shabaab.

 

[Midas]

Why has it taken 20 years? These are just sad excuses sxb.

Yes it's ridiculous that it hasn't been solved. But that doesn't detract from the fact that fughting isis in the mountains is not a comparable situation.

I know a lot of people don't like to here this but the reality is that Mogadishu experienced the most foreign interfence and the largest conflicts happens in mogaidhsu and it's surrounding regions becuase it's the center of the country and of somaliweyene. Look at how neither somaliland or even djbouti which have been incredibly peaceful for decades haven't radically surpassed the rest of somalia.

I don't think it's a coincidence that it was only with Mogadishu becoming more peaceful that development across all of Somalia started to increase.

 

[TheLand]

@Riftvalley @Midas This is the painful truth that is coming straight from the mouth of a hawiye politician and former leader of hirshabelle! Everything else is just excuses and deflections, I’m sorry. You have to call a spade a spade.

 

[Riftvalley]

You start off by making a proclamation without any evidence then say in the next line that I’m suing anecdotal evidence. Everything you do is just excuses and deflections. Whose fault is it that shabaab is so powerful in the south in the first place? Can you answer that? You act like they just came out of nowhere. The fact that you say Somalias government needs more weapons is another joke too. What do they need? Apache helicopters, Ac-130 gunships to fight a ragtag militia of a few thousand with ak’s? How about a nuke then? Unless you own up to your failures down there nothing will ever improve. So far nothing you have said includes any inkling of a plan or even an idea of how to defeat them. You have no idea what the situation is down there.

I also find it hilarious how you said PL hasn’t defeated ISIS yet, as if the campaign has been going on for months. It started at the very end of December and is almost over. It’s clear you don’t like PL success against IS because of how it makes you look in accepting the status quo with shabaab.

Even if pl defeats Dacish in the next few days it is still not equatable to what it will take to defeat shabab. I consider pl victory one for all Somalis. You need to chill with the mind reading stuff. You are beyond retarded if you think my comments in this thread mean I hate pl or even come from the south.

 

[TheLand]

Even if pl defeats Dacish in the next few days it is still not equatable to what it will take to defeat shabab. I consider pl victory one for all Somalis. You need to chill with the mind reading stuff. You are beyond retarded if you think my comments in this thread mean I hate pl or even come from the south.

I just think you need to stop making excuses is all I’m saying. Get to work freeing yourself! PL has set the example for you, and XL macawisley before that and even Liyu Bolis as the imaam in the video says.

 

[Midas]

@Riftvalley @Midas This is the painful truth that is coming straight from the mouth of a hawiye politician and former leader of hirshabelle! Everything else is just excuses and deflections, I’m sorry. You have to call a spade a spade.

I honestly don't get your point ? nobody here denied that Mogadishu needs massive work all that was said was that thhings had improved and you acted like its impossibel for mogadihsu to improve. Are you just trying to brag that Mogadishu is shit ? trust me as somebody whos family is from sanaag whose region has seen no improvement even though hundreds of millions dollars in gold is exported from our land puntland and somaliland are no better than the rest of somalia.


Not gonna lie it feels like this is downstream of some anti-hawiye sentiment you have.

 

[TheLand]

I honestly don't get your point ? nobody here denied that Mogadishu needs massive work all that was said was that thhings had improved and you acted like its impossibel for mogadihsu to improve. Are you just trying to brag that Mogadishu is shit ? trust me as somebody whos family is from sanaag whose region has seen no improvement even though hundreds of millions dollars in gold is exported from our land puntland and somaliland are no better than the rest of somalia.


Not gonna lie it feels like this is downstream of some anti-hawiye sentiment you have.

Calm down sxb, the video speaks for itself. Did you even watch it? What has sanaag got to do with any of this?

 

[Midas]

Calm down sxb, the video speaks for itself. Did you even watch it? What has sanaag got to do with any of this?

I'm not mad at all. I'm just confused about what point your trying to make here ?

My point about sanaag was that the idea that puntland and somaliland are somehow better governed is a myth. Somalia exports 250 million dollars worth of gold to the uae. This is mainly from sanaag. Yet if you go there right now there has barely been any change from before gold was found. The uae even has their own base in the bosasso port through which they likley export the gold. There's probaly a simialr arraignment in somaliland.

 

[TheLand]

I'm not mad at all. I'm just confused about what point your trying to make here ?

My point about sanaag was that the idea that puntland and somaliland are somehow better governed is a myth. Somalia exports 250 million dollars worth of gold to the uae. This is mainly from sanaag. Yet if you go there right now there has barely been any change from before gold was found. The uae even has their own base in the bosasso port through which they likley export the gold. There's probaly a simialr arraignment in somaliland.

My point is exactly what the governor was saying in that video, I think it’s pretty clear and straightforward. I’m sure I’m not the only one who has come to this conclusion. Many others feel the same after looking at the situation holistically. It may seem controversial to some but so are many other truths. Also, I can’t speak for what is allegedly happening in Sanaag and I don’t want to stray into that topic. My understanding is that it’s the locals there mining for gold. Atleast you aren’t blown to bits in Sanaag sxb. Can’t say the same down south. It’s a ‘luxury’ you literally can’t live without.

 

[Midas]

My point is exactly what the governor was saying in that video, I think it’s pretty clear and straightforward. I’m sure I’m not the only one who has come to this conclusion. Many others feel the same after looking at the situation holistically. It may seem controversial to some but so are many other truths. Also, I can’t speak for what is allegedly happening in Sanaag and I don’t want to stray into that topic. My understanding is that it’s the locals there mining for gold. Atleast you aren’t blown to bits in Sanaag sxb. Can’t say the same down south. It’s a ‘luxury’ you literally can’t live without.

But it's dishonest to portray mogaidshu situation in let's say 2015/2016 as being the same as today. If bombings were actually happening at anywhere near the rate they were back then none of this recent development would have taken place

 

[geeljre49]

But it's dishonest to portray mogaidshu situation in let's say 2015/2016 as being the same as today. If bombings were actually happening at anywhere near the rate they were back then none of this recent development would have taken place

why bother replying lol @Riftvalley you also. Both your posts here are the honest truth but dude clearly has an agenda who gives a shit.

It is a fact Muqdisho's security is improving due to several reasons such as a shift in NISA/Police structure, tightened security at the checkpoints of the main routes coming into the city and CCTV placed outside every building whether home or shop. Shout out to Puntland doing their thing against ISIS and inshallah Southern Somalia will be Al Shabaab free.

 

[TheLand]

But it's dishonest to portray mogaidshu situation in let's say 2015/2016 as being the same as today. If bombings were actually happening at anywhere near the rate they were back then none of this recent development would have taken place

I’m not saying it’s the same as 2015/16 but to say it’s improved in the last few years is a joke when you had the hotel syl attack and the lido beach attack where shabaab made it past many checkpoints in the past year or so

 

[TheLand]

why bother replying lol @Riftvalley you also. Both your posts here are the honest truth but dude clearly has an agenda who gives a shit.

It is a fact Muqdisho's security is improving due to several reasons such as a shift in NISA/Police structure, tightened security at the checkpoints of the main routes coming into the city and CCTV placed outside every building whether home or shop. Shout out to Puntland doing their thing against ISIS and inshallah Southern Somalia will be Al Shabaab free.

If you don’t want to respond that is up to you. Why are you trying to control anyone else? I know the truth hurts but try speaking for yourself. The only one who has an agenda is people like you trying to paint a picture of a safe Mogadishu.

 

[MVPSOM]

That would be great and admirable. Does that mean this can be easily replicated in the South against Shab who are almost ten times the size of Dacish and have 20 years of guerila warfare experience?

You have already said Dacish in pl largely consists of foreigners. How can you compare with shabab who consists largely of Somalis and have access to indoctrinate/recruit large numbers of Somali children across a diverse clan pool? Shabab runs a an alternative tax and governance system in large swathes of southern Somalia. These dudes penetrate as far as northern Kenya. You can’t compare to 800 dudes largely consisting of non Somalis holed up in caves.

I think the sheikh is being naive and doesn’t understand the difficult situation the average citizen faces in the south if they speak out against shabab. This is why I’m saying you can’t really compare the two situations.

I never compared the 2 terror groups. I never said Dacish in PL has more man power or is stronger than Shabab in the south. Go and read my comments again. All I said was basically both groups have failed to take control of PL due to lack of local support. You even said it yourself that shabab is embedded into the clans of the south. This kind of support doesn't exist in PL. Now if lets say Omar Mahmoud or Ciise Mahmoud or other PL subclans overwhelmingly supported them, then PL would be fucked. PL would be a mirror image of the deep south. But alhamdulillah that ideology has been rejected by reer Puntland.