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Neither: I'd commit seppuku.
I'll reiterate again how do you objectively quantify what "benefiting humanity" is and how do you objectively determine if one group of people "benefits humanity" more than another group ?Suldaan
Sxb, for every Somali Dr, there are 10's of thousands of LGBT eminent doctors who are more experienced, specialised,, trained and hold the most senior positons in the best hospitals of the globe and teach in Ivy League universities. Don't start me with their economic might. Let's not compare apples to oranges.
We (heterosexual Somalis) breed children who 30% of them will perish before they even reach puberty and we haven't only done nothing for them, but we compounded to their misery by creating cruel wars which every few months, they are shown starving on T.V, Are we a nation who understand what loving children means? These LGBT people were raised by good and loving parents and sadly, similar words could not be expressed about Somali children.
We are known to express publicly (online) hatred towards any group or ethnicity and yet, we are at the bottom of the human pyramid. Let's build bridges and learn from those who are willing to teach us how to love and care for one another. Hate begets only hate.
SuldaanI'll reiterate again how do you objectively quantify what "benefiting humanity" is and how do you objectively determine if one group of people "benefits humanity" more than another group ?
You mean let's be mentally enslaved and allow others to dictate how we should live our lives according to the standards of others ? tell me exactly how wars, hatred towards others etc is specific to us but not others ?
Maxaa tiri ? "hate begets only hate" waa ruunta now go and implement your own advice in your life instead of complaining how we muslim somalis "oppress" our girls by "forcing" them to wear the hijab or how we "support" "terrorism" if we don't agree with the invasion of amisom iyo amxaaro in our country.
Clearly you've a bone to pick with us muslim somalis and i'm here to tell you iskeen waryaa
Contrary to what you're alluding to we're against it not because we've some inherent "fear" of gay people but because it contradicts our way of life. for us muslims Allah is the ultimate judge and whatever He has forbidden will remain so. No debates about itSuldaan
The title of the thread correlates with the hypothetical choice of two types of children, both to be frowned upon given to our homophobic background. Nevertheless, if added a third choice of a brave young man who will lead your/any clan to glory, we all know he will be the toast or wish of every clan. You see religion comes second fiddle to us Somalis and the clan is supreme. This clan system requires all members to be homophobes and exihibit an aggressive macho mentality. Islam is only supplementary. That's the standards that you are very proud to retain. Keep it mate.
SuldaanContrary to what you're alluding to we're against it not because we've some inherent "fear" of gay people but because it contradicts our way of life. for us muslims Allah is the ultimate judge and whatever He has forbidden will remain so. No debates about it
I always find it amusing when atheists subscribe to absolute moralities when it comes to certain issues esp those that are against religious beliefs. The criteria which you judge us to be "homophobes" is subjective as it's dependant on the values and norms of a society where homosexuality is legal. Let me ask you this, do you believe an individual has the right to be against homosexuality ? after all you claim to be an adherent & proponent of those who champion freedom of expression.
I can't say i'm not surprised to find out that people such as yourself only support "freedom" & "human rights" of others so long as they reflect your self defined norms and values. Why is that i wonder ? ....................
Bal arag meesha dooda aad la aaday ? desperate times or not we're discussing about a matter that we don't share similar views on. Adiguna who taught you to hate your own people & the religion they follow ?Suldaan
It's Ok to breed a killer and one who destroys the weakest members of society but when it comes to homosexuality, you miraclously
"Values, norms and morality"????? How did we Somalis miss these fanciful terms in times of desperate needs and only miraculously find it when it comes to homosexuality?
I hope that you agree with the concept that free-speech comes with responsibilities, otherwise, you can't scream, Islamophobia and then, spew hatred towards LGBT people.
These are Somali children insulting and harassing a gay person. Who taught them such hatreds? Imagine the uproar if non-Muslim kids were harassing their tent wearing mothers? Is that the freedom of speech you are alluding to?
You haven't answered the question i asked, you just gave a generic answer to the topic at hand. The fact that you're going around the question i asked is an indication to what i was alluding to in my previous post. Namely you're willing to accept freedom of expression so long as it's reflects what you're already convinced off to be the "truth". In today's western world observant muslims, christians, jews etc are ridiculed, humiliated for holding a view that's in opposition to the main stream view regarding homosexuality, yet such actions are tolerated i wonder why that is ? Secondly would you care to show me where exactly i condoned such actions ?Suldaan
Sxb, you have all the freedoms you like as long as it isn't hate speech that motivates children to insult, ridicule and humiliate another person because of their sexual orientation. You complain about islamophoebia but yet, condone the actions of these kids because they are wired up with a philosophy (culture & religion intertwined) that you espouse in the guise of "free speech". There is a Somali tranny stabbed to death in Canada by Somalis because she was simply a tranny. Where and when will you stop hiding behind the charade of "free speech", when in fact the culmination of this hate speech is the loss of lives and violence towards the LGBT community?
You injected "morals" in our chit-chat here and didn't answer my question. Since, I do answer your questions, be a good sport, reciprocate and answer my question. How did you (Somalis Muslims) suddenly found "morals" when the issue is homosexuality, but has been awol by the destruction and suffering of a whole country? Does your Allah prefer anarchy than homosexuality?
No you haven't you just brushed it a side nothing more, as you know in muslim countries homosexuality is considered to be a crime and those indulging in it will be punished according to the law of the land, in the western world homosexuality is legal as long it's not within the confines of the family. If 2 people of the same family engage in homosexual acts they will have committed a crime and be punished accordingly. Different states use different methods of punishment those who break the law. Some states enact capital punishments for specific crimesSuldaan
I've answered your questions above but as usual, qaac baad isku qarisaa with bla, bla and bla. Yes, the scriptures of Judaism and Christianity object to homosexuality, but I don't see them brutalising, torturing and arresting homosexuals like they do in Muslim countries. You don't see their children harassing and insulting gay people in the streets of Minneapolis. A bit of condemnation of the actions of these Somali kids would have signalled your contempt dehumanising, but my fellow Somali, I know well your thinking of they are a bunch of "fags" who deserve it. As for the Christians and the Jews, a large section of the adherents of both faiths have been enlightened nowadays to spearhead and see gay marriages as an issue of social justice and equality. Without their support, it couldn't have been achieved.
You and Somali Muslims object homosexuality on religious "moral" grounds, why apply it on the destruction of Somalia and Somalis? It's less of an evil than homosexuality soo Ma aha?