Qabiil is more powerful to somalis than Islam, this is why?

[AussieHustler]

I don't like to see somalis dying against each other over land when neither are gaals. How are two somalis both muslim rationalising this. The ones in charge of these orders will have to answer to Allah. Inalillah wainah illayhir rageeuun to those who died for this and cyclone across the country.

Blade

If the leaders weren’t supported by their respective fellow tribesmen, there wouldn’t be wars. People get the leaders they deserve. Many blokes who lecture about the good of Islam abstained from this thread for the simple reason if they condemn this bloodshed, they will be as hostile to the clan interests by their tribal brethren and disowned.

 

[The Cushitic One]

PL and Somalia started this war

Funny how
farmjoo the frog Supports his clan
above getting rid Of al Shabab

 

[NourUgaas]

Nour

“Making sense” in what way? What’s sensible with this madness? It only makes sense to a Somali who worships qabiil. Some Somali Atheists and agnostics are not exempted from it.

Well maybe you should look at it from a standpoint that people are humans and not everyone is ideologically driven.

 

[NourUgaas]

I’m against bigotry in any form.

Regardless of my religious views I condemn the atheists on this platform who constantly want to masturbate over how ‘babaric’ Somali Muslims are so that they can present themselves as superior.

I apologise to you for the way I used to speak to you. I will from now on be your ally in your crusade for women's rights, cussing out the ashy abdis. If you ever need an ally just quote my name and I'm there!

 

[Boqor]

This is not about Qabiil but land.Puntland militia ambushed Somaliland forces in Tukaraq,a village within Somalilands borders.Obviously Allah is on our side.The main reason why the ambush failed.

Did Allah give you the borders? Nacalaa waxa tahay ku yaal filthy iidoor keep my Rabb out of your filthy mouth

 

[Blade1]

Blade

If the leaders weren’t supported by their respective fellow tribesmen, there wouldn’t be wars. People get the leaders they deserve. Many blokes who lecture about the good of Islam abstained from this thread for the simple reason if they condemn this bloodshed, they will be as hostile to the clan interests by their tribal brethren and disowned.

That's sad wallahi the prophet told us to speak up about wrong even if it's against ourselves forget our clan. I'd rather be disowned then fake and I hope if someone sees a not joking clannish mentality in me. If they want the best for me theyd tell me to stop it's not right. Even in Islam if you fight again your muslim brother you both go hell. The one who is killed and kills

 

[Western4Life]

You know Catholics give up bad things during Lent.

Maybe you should give up terrorism during Ramadan.

*Ba zing*

:siilaanyolaugh:

 

[AussieHustler]

That's sad wallahi the prophet told us to speak up about wrong even if it's against ourselves forget our clan. I'd rather be disowned then fake and I hope if someone sees a not joking clannish mentality in me. If they want the best for me theyd tell me to stop it's not right. Even in Islam if you fight again your muslim brother you both go hell. The one who is killed and kills

Blade

Wise move, but given on your last sentence, does that mean Ali, Aisha, Muawiyah, Yaziid and all Muslims who spilt Muslim blood will go to hell too? Sorry for derailing my own thread, but you put it as a rule that applies to all Muslims.

Guys take your clan wars to the clan forum.

 

[AussieHustler]

Well maybe you should look at it from a standpoint that people are humans and not everyone is ideologically driven.

Nour

Qabiil is not only a family tree, though it is limited and barbaric when applied in the modern world, it also acts as an ideology for nomadic simpletons. At times, it’s more powerful than an ideology and challenges the god that these people think to have given loyalty to. The war between these two clans illustrates clearly that point. We are humans and we ought not to repeat the same mistake that made millions perish, disabled, homeless and refugees. But the clan is mighty and destructive and we are addicted to it.

 

[NourUgaas]

Nour

Qabiil is not only a family tree, though it is limited and barbaric when applied in the modern world, it also acts as an ideology for nomadic simpletons. At times, it’s more powerful than an ideology and challenges the god that these people think to have given loyalty to. The war between these two clans illustrates clearly that point. We are humans and we ought not to repeat the same mistake that made millions perish, disabled, homeless and refugees. But the clan is mighty and destructive and we are addicted to it.

I agree with you my friend. Completely. The only thing I would slightly protest is injecting religion into an issue that it has nothing to do with.

Everything else me and you are on the same page my friend.

 

[Blade1]

Blade

Wise move, but given on your last sentence, does that mean Ali, Aisha, Muawiyah, Yaziid and all Muslims who spilt Muslim blood will go to hell too? Sorry for derailing my own thread, but you put it as a rule that applies to all Muslims.

Guys take your clan wars to the clan forum.

Tbh I'm not that knowledgeable I'll get back to you to find the source for that statement. One sec

 

[AussieHustler]

I agree with you my friend. Completely. The only thing I would slightly protest is injecting religion into an issue that it has nothing to do with.

Everything else me and you are on the same page my friend.

Nour

Fair dinkum sxb. But let me reiterate again. As a Muslim, you were told to sympathise and empathise with the suffering of your fellow Muslims, how about if tribalism is guiding you not only to not empathise and sympathise with fellow Muslims, but you are guided by a nihilistic tribal ideology that is responsible and will cause them devastating sufferings? In this scenario, which one is supreme, the clan or the religion?

 

[AussieHustler]

Tbh I'm not that knowledgeable I'll get back to you to find the source for that statement. One sec

Blade

All the Sunni Hadiths were written by those who were deeply sympathetic to Aisha, Muawiya and Yazid and you won’t find any Hadiths critical of their actions. Check the Shi’a Hadiths.

 

[NourUgaas]

Nour

Fair dinkum sxb. But let me reiterate again. As a Muslim, you were told to sympathise and empathise with the suffering of your fellow Muslims, how about if tribalism is guiding you not only to not empathise and sympathise with fellow Muslims, but you are guided by a nihilistic tribal ideology that is responsible and will cause them devastating sufferings? In this scenario, which one is supreme, the clan or the religion?

Nobody doubts that Somalis primarily view Islam very liberally. Its tied to culture, a system of blessings etc. So to answer your question, the clan is more supreme to Somalis than religion. Absolutely.
However you have to realise what the religion means to certain people. For most Somalis, it's a very passive in terms of actual practice but very stern in relation to identity.

 

[Blade1]

Blade

All the Sunni Hadiths were written by those who were deeply sympathetic to Aisha, Muawiya and Yazid and you won’t find any Hadiths critical of their actions. Check the Shi’a Hadiths.

I'm not Shia. The whole shia ideology to me is wrong and shameless.


Abu Bakrah ath-Thaqafi (may Allāh be pleased with him) reported – The Prophet

said “If two Muslims meet each other with their swords, then both the killer and the killed will be in the Hell-fire.” I said, “O Allāh’s Messenger, that is the case for the killer but why should that be the case for the killed?” He answered, “Because he wanted to kill his companion.” [Al-Bukhari & Muslim]

Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen (may Allāh have mercy on him), in his explanation of this hadith says that the condition of the sentence “When two Muslims meet with their swords” does not exclusively refer to a sword; the term applies to any weapon with which two Muslims intend to cause harm, leading to death for the other. Any weapon such as, a sword, rifle, rock, etc. that is used intentionally to cause damage to another Muslim is prohibited in Islam. The reference to two Muslims spells out the nature of the meeting – they both have the intention to do harm to one another. If any Muslims meet with a method by which they can kill, and one of them is successful in killing the other, then both, the killer and the killed shall be in the Hell-fire.

Abu Bakrah (may Allāh be pleased with him) said to the Prophet

, “This is the killer” This type of statement, the repetition of the announcement as a fact, is known in the field of discussion as an agreement to what was said. Allāh says,

“Whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, he shall abide therein forever. The wrath and the curse of Allāh shall be upon him, and a great punishment is prepared for him” [93, Al-Nisa’a].

what about the one killed?

Upon Abu Bakrah’s questioning about the killed, the Prophet

said, “He was eager to kill his companion” This shows that even though he was killed, this individual will abide in Hell because of his intention and actions. The result, his failure and subsequent death, does not absolve him of the sin. Intention alone, however, is not the only determining factor. The fact that this man brought a means — a weapon, to fulfill his intention is what sealed his fate in Hell. His bringing a weapon shows that he was, “eager to kill his companion.” Success and failure are insignificant because both men are destined for the Hellfire.

This hadith proves that actions are according to their intentions, and that when this man intended to kill his companion, it was as if he actually did kill him. There is, however, a stark difference between these men and martyrs. The Prophet stated, “Whoever is killed protecting himself is a martyr, whoever is killed protecting his family is a martyr, and whoever is killed protecting his wealth is a martyr, [and whoever is killed protecting his deen is a martyr]” [Abu Dawud and at-Tirmidhi]

One who is being attacked and acts in self-defense is not the aggressor; therefore if in the course of defending himself, a man kills an aggressor he is no punished for the act. The Prophet

stated that one who comes to take another’s wealth by force, “If you kill him then he shall be in the Fire, and if he kills you then you are a martyr” [Muslim]

The person who is defending his wealth, family, self and honor is only warding off an aggressor, one who is not repelled except by fighting (him off). If he kills the aggressor, the aggressor shall be in the Fire, and if he is killed in self-defense then he shall be a martyr in Paradise.

Tbh I don't know if this is a fabricated hadith or not but either way there is a quranic verse.

Quran 49:9
And if two parties of the believers quarrel, make peace between them; but if one of them acts wrongfully towards the other, fight that which acts wrongfully until it returns to Allah's command; then if it returns, make peace between them with justice and act equitably; surely Allah loves those who act equitably.
وَإِن طَائِفَتَانِ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ اقْتَتَلُوا فَأَصْلِحُوا بَيْنَهُمَا فَإِن بَغَتْ إِحْدَاهُمَا عَلَى الْأُخْرَى فَقَاتِلُوا الَّتِي تَبْغِي حَتَّى تَفِيءَ إِلَى أَمْرِ اللَّهِ فَإِن فَاءتْ فَأَصْلِحُوا بَيْنَهُمَا بِالْعَدْلِ وَأَقْسِطُوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُقْسِطِينَ

Clearly here it's talking about if one if the sides is leaving Allah's command and not about territory since muslims should be living under one state so it's not possible that fighting another muslims over land is legitimate since we should be under one land and pledge allegiance to.

 

[AarLibaax]

First of all your wrong and qabiil is not more powerful than Islam to Somali's that statement is down right false. the 99% of our people who are poor do not practice tribalism but will gladly take money and do as they are told. You wouldn't understand that until you have felt poverty, hunger and lack of oppertunity.

Its the diaspora and an elite clique in every land land and central government that abuse and scheme using qabiil.

AUN to the fallen boys on both sides they are just collateral damage to Biixi & Gaas.

 

[AussieHustler]

Aar

Sxb you are contradicting yourself. Qabiil is God to Somalis because those in the diaspora who aren’t poor will like to see their tribal brethren to become a leader.

Blade

That means Aisha, Ali, Muawiya, Yazid and others are all hell bound because they waged wars on one another and many lives were lost. Thanks.