OPINION Puntland Should Support Tigray

[DR OSMAN]

@Hardrock let's say for argument sake we follow your ethno-nationalist idealogy and unite on Somalinimo and create another 'boogeyman' out of other nations becuz that's all fascism leads too, it leads to conflict with other groups of people as seen in world war 1 and 2 and as seen in Ethiopia n Somalia under their highly centralized ethno nationalist governments.

Let's say we do this, let's say we destroy ethiopia and ethiopia fragments into ethnic fiefdowns, what's going to unite me and u after our common enemy is gone, it's like a falling of a deck of cards, after we eliminate our common enemy, we will just turn the guns on each other, let's be real and that's why ethno-nationalism doesn't work.

Maybe ask South sudanese how their ethno nationalist liberation fared, their now killing each other, why? siyasad iyo ethnicity isma galo, it's simple, it doesnt' work anywhere. Ask SL how they will fare after the common somali boogeyman is gone. Jeegaan n HY will slaughter each other cuz they united on a common threat, not on common political interests.

 

[wheel]

I don't believe in ethno-nationalism, that shit was tried in europe and led to two world wars. U will not scare us anymore into 'ethnicity n politics work', My friends is those who support our vision n political platform for Somalia re-construction, anyone outside those parameters are not my friend irrespective if they are Somali or not.

The world has moved beyond ethno-nationalsm post world war 2, friends can only be established now with those who u share a common vision and politics.

The second world was caused by [ethnic] nationalism borne from the unfair border arrangements after ww1.
WW1 taught us that nothing but ethno nationalism would work as each empire collapsed under its own weight, unable to supress the call for liberty of each of its constituent ethnic block.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@wheel ethno-nationalism doesn't work no matter how much u want something doesn't mean it's true or will work. Siyasad iyo Ethnicity isma galan, friends are not established becuz you share a common ethnic origin, it's established if u share a common politcal outlook, security, trade, something both can benefit from. Just because me and u look the same doesn't mean we think the same, and politics is about ideas and thinking, not how one speaks or looks. Talk about being jahil, u southies can't move beyond abbe siyad idealogy, but Puntites and even SL can.

Piss off you ratbag who wants to delve Somalia into another conflict with others and then eventually with themselves similar to 77(against others) and then 91(against ourselves) why? cause isku siyasad manahin, wa in runta laysu sheega not hide behind 'we look the same lets unite' crapola. Get in here @Pwyneth Galtrow. If we are political deadlock, we shouldn't cry 'ethnonationalism' that's not going to nudge me or you, if two parties are not on the same page politically, the only way to cure that is thru 'political negiotations' and u need to demonstrate to me and puntites why the f*ck shud we follow a system we know will fail in the end and we can prove that to u and were it's heading.

 

[wheel]

@wheel ethno-nationalism doesn't work no matter how much u want something doesn't mean it's true or will work. Siyasad iyo Ethnicity isma galan, friends are not established becuz you share a common ethnic origin, it's established if u share a common politcal outlook, security, trade, something both can benefit from. Just because me and u look the same doesn't mean we think the same, and politicals is about ideas and thinking, not how one speaks or looks.

Piss off you ratbag who wants to delve omalia into another warzone

what your saying would be valid if puntland was a independent country, but thats not the case, it's a perquisite to believe in somali nationhood since chose to be part of it in a federal system. First get your independent country then come back to me g.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I propose the best method is Somalis agreeing to the following model.

1. A hands of each other and cooling down period of 99 years. This can be done thru confederation models. Once the whole nation is stablized can we discuss our relationship further.

2. Two system 1 nation model like China n Hong Kong. If we can't negiotate away our political difference, let's build a system that accomodates each other. A hybrid system where PL/JL enjoy full autonomy and the HAGS can be governed thru centralism. Now we accomodated both sides ma garatay, now there is no more excuses for jambals and stalling.

After that let's have a 99 year cooling off period before the nation is re-examined depending on the time and place Somalia is in and what's best for the nation. We could even incoporate areas with no government with 'tribal treaties' similar to native indians and declare them 'tribal reserves' at least now it's governed even tho not thru the modern method but it's better then nothing.

@Pwyneth Galtrow we puntites are always at the fore-front trying to negiotate with these goons and discussing ways to move forward rather then be at deadlock, they never take on any advice from us yet they provide nothing themselves and prefer this vacuum. That's why lots of ppl wonder if they are still concerned with their 'looting interests' of 91 and complete stateless vacuum.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Dr Osman has this quote to say to the ethno-nationalist crying for abbe siyad system of 'somalinimo' which is the lowest form of politics, imagine saying to people 'our politics is about how we look n speak' god damn backward primitive people when other nations politics is about 'ideas'. It's quite obvious we skipped the 'renaiisance' era cuz we still talk about politics as if it's ethno-centric.

Our Political Differences in Somalia outweighs everything and anything that unites us

 

[DR OSMAN]

And for you cowards who say Puntland is tribe centric is absolutely a lie. Puntland kumaa heeshin 'majerteniya iyo hartiwayne' we are bigger then such folly things, waxan isku racnay 'isku siyasad' baan nahay, we came together cuz we want 'federalism' in Somalia and we want our own separate government to develop our regions and we are anti centralism cuz we fear another state modelled after siyad barre is going to lead to eventual collapse.

For the idiot who cannot read between the lines, it was political ideas that brought puntites together not clan, when there was no political idea(91-98) we lived just like how GM n HS is today. So it's important to note our love of governance, our federalist idealogy are paramount to the existence of Puntland ama mar hore ayaa lagu kala kici laha

Lakin qof isku racay qabiil ma jirin, it just happens our clans share the same idea, doesn't mean our idea is clan.

 

[Trapmacalin]

@Trapmacalin PL has to be a good friend n partner to it's allies so we show we are mature state that stands by it's friend. I am disgusted that Tigray helped us by freeing Abdillahi Yusuf in 91, They helped us dislodge moryans n terrorists in the capital when the whole world stood by and didn't care that PL was hostage to thugs n goons in the capital, we couldn't access also modern weapons which Meles helped with.

Yet we stand by idly in the Ethiopian civil war is nonsense and shows that we do not honor those who stood by us. PL has historical allies in east yemen mukallah n socotra thru Mahri ppl, Salalah Oman is also a good friend of PL,Bosaso port couldn't handle Large ships and we re-route our trade at Salalah Oman into dhows. Oman stood by us all these years. UAE is another friend of PL who funds our PMPF and is a trade partner. America also stood by us and funds PSF and we enjoy a long security partnership since 2003.

PL is an ancient sultanate, manahin dad manta dawlad baranayo like you abgaals.

PL Friends must be honored and respected by the SFG or else we will head towards confederation models with the SFG disempowered of it's duties due to incompetence. PL needs to develop n foster new friends without abadoning our old friends.

China is definitely somewhere we need to immediately tap into and forge a development partnership and give them all our development contracts. You @Trapmacalin are just a peasant farmer, you couldn't control a capital city that your the majority in, langaabki ku dhalay wase, nacas doqon baa tahay and famously known in the nation as 'dameer abgaal'

Everyone hates on abgaal because we are the majority in the capital hence why other hawiye ganged up on us and darood dislike us due to being hawiye you cannot deny we are the most politically influential clan post 1991 so yeah if we are famed, the whole country is

 

[DR OSMAN]

Everyone hates on abgaal because we are the majority in the capital hence why other hawiye ganged up on us and darood dislike us due to being hawiye you cannot deny we are the most politically influential clan post 1991 so yeah if we are famed, the whole country is

Are u trying to claim decale hotel which is well known as Turkish investor groups. I asked my mum about 'elite at liido' and she agreed it is abgaal owned. You as like most Somalis speak part truths and add in lies to make yourself appear more then u really merit. No-one ganged up on you son of a biij.

Murusade was backing Ali Mahdi financially with 'weheliye' crew(silent majertens who's relatives live in galkacyo). U only Fought HG who travelled from Mudug/Galgaduud in abgaal lands, while u were backed up by all abgaals in the surrounding area and they still whooped your ass waryaa, took half hamar and all the important locations like bakaraha, south hamar, etc.

They controlled 'balidoogle air-strip' Trust me I know, cuz aden adde n the port was shut down due to the 'truce' era(94-2006). I was there in 99. I saw those red eyed moryans extort me and others touching down and they funnelled that money to their warlords, not even a 'cent' was put back into their people well being, sad huh?

HG came in thru the 'hawiye' card to settle mogadishu thinking being in the capital will give them 'clan preferences' for power plus they're was a 'loot interest involved'. Then their true colors showed when they attacked @Kheyre ppl the hawadle using the 'hiraab card' and they tried the same against 'murusade' and they used the hiraab card but my reer abtis are not hawadle, their 'pitbulls' which why is my profile image honors my mother origins. Im 'mj by intellect' and 'pitbull' by nature hence it's a good mix and if elected to PL, the nation will be 'rocked' by me. @Bariire I don't follow my 'dad culture' which is very 'laid back' old school majerten. I am like my mother ppl, I have that pitbull in me.

That New Mogadishu estate is funded by duduble/murusade. U sad ppl abgaal, do u even know my reer ayeeyo are abgaal(wacbudan) u dumb c*nt, my mother abtis are abgaal, we know u better then yourself. U got shamed in 91 when we saw u can't control the capital even tho u r the largest, nothing can explain your weakness except the great saying of sayid abdulle 'sideeda abgaal, dameer ku sagaal'

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Trapmacalin U could've of united abgaals and could've taken the city for yourself but shock horror, half the city was captured by HG and they were pushing towards medina when I was in 99. They're was skermishes constantly happening by HG to extend their 'green line' into Medina thru kilometer 4(past saxafi hotel) which is HG owned. I was even caught up in one of those battles when I was going to Saxafi to watch 'western movies' looooool.

Trust me I remember Saxafi it was the only hotel in hamar at the time that had cable television. Now u have to share the 'hag' pm/president seat in Somalia with HG u nacas cuz their in the capital, when it was all yours exclusively what a fuckin lunatic your ppl are. Now u have 'cayr' cunts running around the capital and 'sacad' returned to mudug in fear of losing 'land' to reer mahad who has been encroaching as they vacated their spots. In today's politics if u don't have land u don't get represented it's simple as that, so their smart, but 'cayr' is stupid, they're holed into mogadishu vying for spots with abgaal-murusade-cayr squabbling over it kkkkk.

Hamar lost it's political advantage a long time ago and if there is any left, u will need to wait properly 20 years before your clan among many clans get chosen. Why waste all that time squabbling over a city, if MJ were cruel to u, we would've relocated the capital, we cud of watched u die in your insignificance.

 

[Trapmacalin]

Are u trying to claim decale hotel which is well known as Turkish investor groups. I asked my mum about 'elite at liido' and she agreed it is abgaal owned. You as like most Somalis speak part truths and add in lies to make yourself appear more then u really merit. No-one ganged up on you son of a biij.

Murusade was backing Ali Mahdi financially with 'weheliye' crew(silent majertens who's relatives live in galkacyo). U only Fought HG who travelled from Mudug/Galgaduud in abgaal lands, while u were backed up by all abgaals in the surrounding area and they still whooped your ass waryaa, took half hamar and all the important locations like bakaraha, south hamar, etc.

They controlled 'balidoogle air-strip' Trust me I know, cuz aden adde n the port was shut down due to the 'truce' era(94-2006). I was there in 99. I saw those red eyed moryans extort me and others touching down and they funnelled that money to their warlords, not even a 'cent' was put back into their people well being, sad huh?

HG came in thru the 'hawiye' card to settle mogadishu thinking being in the capital will give them 'clan preferences' for power plus they're was a 'loot interest involved'. Then their true colors showed when they attacked @Kheyre ppl the hawadle using the 'hiraab card' and they tried the same against 'murusade' and they used the hiraab card but my reer abtis are not hawadle, their 'pitbulls' which why is my profile image honors my mother origins. Im 'mj by intellect' and 'pitbull' by nature hence it's a good mix and if elected to PL, the nation will be 'rocked' by me. @Bariire I don't follow my 'dad culture' which is very 'laid back' old school majerten. I am like my mother ppl, I have that pitbull in me.

That New Mogadishu estate is funded by duduble/murusade. U sad ppl abgaal, do u even know my reer ayeeyo are abgaal(wacbudan) u dumb c*nt, my mother abtis are abgaal, we know u better then yourself. U got shamed in 91 when we saw u can't control the capital even tho u r the largest, nothing can explain your weakness except the great saying of sayid abdulle 'sideeda abgaal, dameer ku sagaal'

Other than hodan and ceelasha biyaha, hg don’t have anything else. One xafad out of 16 Idiot they attacked mursuade after the 4 month war. Before that it was literally mudulood against everyone else. The new Mogadishu estate was bought by duduble from reer mataan. Abgaal profited from that as well you idiot. Also if you have so much hawiye relatives, why are you filled with this hatred?

 

[Trapmacalin]

@Trapmacalin U could've of united abgaals and could've taken the city for yourself but shock horror, half the city was captured by HG and they were pushing towards medina when I was in 99. They're was skermishes constantly happening by HG to extend their 'green line' into Medina thru kilometer 4(past saxafi hotel) which is HG owned. I was even caught up in one of those battles when I was going to Saxafi to watch 'western movies' looooool.

Trust me I remember Saxafi it was the only hotel in hamar at the time that had cable television. Now u have to share the 'hag' pm/president seat in Somalia with HG u nacas cuz their in the capital, when it was all yours exclusively what a fuckin lunatic your ppl are. Now u have 'cayr' cunts running around the capital and 'sacad' returned to mudug in fear of losing 'land' to reer mahad who has been encroaching as they vacated their spots. In today's politics if u don't have land u don't get represented it's simple as that, so their smart, but 'cayr' is stupid, they're holed into mogadishu vying for spots with abgaal-murusade-cayr squabbling over it kkkkk.

Hamar lost it's political advantage a long time ago and if there is any left, u will need to wait properly 20 years before your clan among many clans get chosen. Why waste all that time squabbling over a city, if MJ were cruel to u, we would've relocated the capital, we cud of watched u die in your insignificance.

Yeah ain’t no way MJ have the power to relocate capitals. You idiots couldn’t even handle us 2006. Had to get foreign troops. Face it or not just dc in xamar along with the mayor are abgaal. What politically and territory wise did we lose. Medino was always 100% abgaal. Muse sudi made sure of that lol

 

[Trapmacalin]

@Trapmacalin U could've of united abgaals and could've taken the city for yourself but shock horror, half the city was captured by HG and they were pushing towards medina when I was in 99. They're was skermishes constantly happening by HG to extend their 'green line' into Medina thru kilometer 4(past saxafi hotel) which is HG owned. I was even caught up in one of those battles when I was going to Saxafi to watch 'western movies' looooool.

Trust me I remember Saxafi it was the only hotel in hamar at the time that had cable television. Now u have to share the 'hag' pm/president seat in Somalia with HG u nacas cuz their in the capital, when it was all yours exclusively what a fuckin lunatic your ppl are. Now u have 'cayr' cunts running around the capital and 'sacad' returned to mudug in fear of losing 'land' to reer mahad who has been encroaching as they vacated their spots. In today's politics if u don't have land u don't get represented it's simple as that, so their smart, but 'cayr' is stupid, they're holed into mogadishu vying for spots with abgaal-murusade-cayr squabbling over it kkkkk.

Hamar lost it's political advantage a long time ago and if there is any left, u will need to wait properly 20 years before your clan among many clans get chosen. Why waste all that time squabbling over a city, if MJ were cruel to u, we would've relocated the capital, we cud of watched u die in your insignificance.

Hodan is half the city?

 

[DR OSMAN]

waryaa @Trapmacalin honor my abtis u duli. Somalis called the afar-qoble becuz 'hyena' is the only small type of animal they know that is 'vicious'. That's why I call em 'pitbull' of hawiye, their small clan yes, but their vicious and can take out 10 abgaals or hg per 1 murusade. That's why you fear them niyahow, let's not kid ourselves.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Trapmacalin HG attacked everyone. First it was Marehan/Dhulos SNA who was exhausted in a battle in the north, they vacated the north to stop the HAG rebellion in the south, even tho Id22r try to claim they 'dislodged' the SNA when that is furthest from the truth. USC/SNM had a pact to open a 'two war front' that was the only reason the SNA left the north to save the capital. The HG N Isaaq also had an unholy irir alliance of 'south n north' power-sharing model. Till today their is rumours of cooperation between these two nasty people.

HG fought everyone. It warred with Rahanwayn(@Jiron)people, it warred with abgaal, hawadle, murusade, bimaal, they even attacked Reer Mahads in Galkacyo. Don't u ask yourself if they believe in hawiyenimo why do they kill hawiyes? U guys don't even question their real 'motives' even after u seen for 30 years their constant shenanigans.

Do u think I wud accept Marehan 'darodnimo' and vacate Bosaso for them? u r true clown wallahi, there is no darod or hawiye beyond 'dhaqan related matter', politically everyone cares about their sub-clan power and development. Even then within sub-clans, everyone cares truly for their 'jifi' that's the real Somali culture, but these HG fooled u into thinking there is darod n hawiye, u r the biggest dameer of the nation

 

[cow]

@DR OSMAN good idea I think you should host the TPLF in garowe.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Trapmacalin Hodan isn't a 'xafaad' it's a district, there is many 'xafaads' within it. Why u think it's called 'Hodan' u dumb f*ck, it's the richest residential area of Mogadishu. It's where Majerten lived obviously we are glorious as u know, where-ever we touch is HODAN.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Trapmacalin I can't forgive you for your nacasnimo joining USC and inviting HG into Hamar while he fooled u into thinking darod vs hawiye. Do u think I ever invited this boon into my city, 'xoog bay ku soo galeen waagi cayr/marehan jubba valley alliance' do u honestly think these squatters in our kismaayo laga yeelayo inay si joggan? Majerten isn't like Abgaal, abgaal are truly miskin ppl sxb, majerten is cut throat and finds way to ensure Majerten dominance.

This is one of my Jubaland objectives is to clean up marehan squatters in kismaayo. But since we have dhaqaan daarood we don't go around killing civilians so we are playin it out politically waiting for JL to begin 'land laws' and then we will use 'sharciga' to remove them. Do u think marehan cud fool us into darodnimo crap looool and we welcome them with open arms into kismaayo? no way but you did as abgaal for HG, u need to accept this LOSS.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Trapmacalin What u mean we attacked abgaal in 2006? everyone knows we were targetting HG u dumb f*ck in the south of the city and bakaraha, you don't live around there, you were holed up in north mogadishu the whole time. We know HG ayaa 'sixir aan jirin' idin ku aqriye.

Cayr ayaa ku dhintay dagaaladas not even all HG as sacad left way before the shit hit the fan with abdiqaybdiid when he established GM in 2006. What u shud of done is controlled the city both side south and north and say 'everyone is a guest of mudulood' and not play 'hawiyenimo' nonsense especially since your the majority of the 'capital', u didn't fill that landheere role, so I consider you a langaab truly.

If MJ was in your location at the time in the capital, u know what would've happened right. We wud of controlled the markets immediately, airports, ports, and tell HG to be in one xafaad like we do in galkacyo. Even @cow @Dalalos_ibn_Adali know we don't play miskinimo like abgaal. We would've invited somalis and said 'dawlad aan dhisano' and landheere majerten will manage the somalis.

Now u see Galkacyo right? MJ in control of all the checkpoints in and out of the town, airport which is on sacad side, market place, govt offices. We would've done exactly the same thing in hamar if we had abgaal demographic presence. Way og yihin sacadka haday iswaalan reer mahad from wardheer illa jariiban ba meesha soo buuxinayo, where-as sacad live only in south mudug. But the real 'darbi' will be 'abdi issa' their smaller but their pitbulls.

1 abdi isse will shut down 10 sacads. Look how abdi issa invited all Somalis to come to their new port in garacad, u see they can protect themselves and other who come to trade. Watch Garacad become the next Bosaso of Mudug.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@cow I am more disgusted with the Majertens in Spot. None are supporting or disagreeing with me, this means the majority of puntites are playing the 'neutral card'. Terrible move, way ka coyi doonan berito mark my words. The Neutral card is played by those who don't stand for anything and PL stands for Federalism.

An attack on federalism is an attack on all federalist loving people, this is what PL should be saying to Ethiopia centralist goons. When Abi Ahmaq enpowers the centralist in Somalia to end federation in Somalia, mark my words, these cowards hiding now will be crying.

That's why Nato says 'an attack on 1 of them is an attack on all of them' why do they say that? they know they share the same political idealogy of 'freedom, secularism, human rights, anad democracy'. With PL not caring what happens in Ethiopia is allowing for anti federalist oromo n amhara win the nation and we know those guys will interfere in Somalia and 'create a huge central govt' in hamar to end federation in PL and JL.

They are silly and simply don't see this happening now but when the deck of cards come down in the future, they will be crying. Mark my words.