Puntland must work with Ethiopia!

[PhySom]

Unfortunately for Puntland the previous administration of Somalia invested little into Bari, Mudug and Sanaag. Consequently there are relatively nil high end factories able to produce quality products.

The main hindrance to an exponential Puntlandic economic growth is the lack of electricity. With electricity we can set up numerous institutions/mines/railroads/fisheries/(agricultural development systems), that is where Ethiopia comes in.

The enigmatic Ethiopians are building the largest damn in Africa, we must use this to our advantage. Ethiopia will provide Africa with 6.45 Gigga Watts of Energy , we can temporarily siphon this to feed our systems. This would rapidly grow the Puntlandic economy allowing us to multiply our GDP over the next 10 years.

Obviously after using Ethiopian electricity we can begin implementing our own electrical grid.In the mean time we can develop a symbiotic relationship with Ethiopia through offering a clear path to export their goods (Bosaso & Garcaad port).

All in all , Ethiopia holds the key to our growth. We won't be seeing west somalia rejoining somalia (idk who even would!) however we can help increase the regional economy and security.

@DR OSMAN what do you think ? You often rambl.... i mean question the effectiveness of Puntlands GDP.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Unfortunately for Puntland the previous administration of Somalia invested little into Bari, Mudug and Sanaag. Consequently there are relatively nil high end factories able to produce quality products.

The main hindrance to an exponential Puntlandic economic growth is the lack of electricity. With electricity we can set up numerous institutions/mines/railroads/fisheries/(agricultural development systems), that is where Ethiopia comes in.

The enigmatic Ethiopians are building the largest damn in Africa, we must use this to our advantage. Ethiopia will provide Africa with 6.45 Gigga Watts of Energy , we can temporarily siphon this to feed our systems. This would rapidly grow the Puntlandic economy allowing us to multiply our GDP over the next 10 years.

Obviously after using Ethiopian electricity we can begin implementing our own electrical grid.In the mean time we can develop a symbiotic relationship with Ethiopia through offering a clear path to export their goods (Bosaso & Garcaad port).

All in all , Ethiopia holds the key to our growth. We won't be seeing west somalia rejoining somalia (idk who even would!) however we can help increase the regional economy and security.

@DR OSMAN what do you think ? You often rambl.... i mean question the effectiveness of Puntlands GDP.

If we tie ourselves economically to Ethiopia, we are also going to be tied to their development pattern. In order for us to grow, we need their markets to grow also. It's tying us together which I disagree 100% with. Their rural class are farmers and peasants and have no real assets maybe one or two own land in this peasant orientated society, while the million just 'labor' in return for food and a hut.

PL is vastly different rural wealth system which is 'fishing, frankincense, and livestock'. This is at an individual level not just 'one or two' at the top, every single individual is economically set up this way. If anything our story is more similar to the GULF then the Ethiopians. Mixing farmer/herders has shown economic disparity developing. We see how this led to genocide in Rwanda between t0tsi and h@tu. While the h@tu were farmers the tutsi were herders. The h@tu would enter the cities 'begging' since they owned no tangible asset to convert into city living. They became 'laborers' in the city while the herders converted their assets and bought properties and became top class immediately. U can imagine how much livestock cost, it can easily cover the cost of a house in a city. So what will this nomad do since he achieved the objectives of city living which is to work and buy a property when he can do that immediately without working. Hence u need a different economic approach. The gulf would be more of a better case study.

 

[PhySom]

If we tie ourselves economically to Ethiopia, we are also going to be tied to their development pattern. In order for us to grow, we need their markets to grow also. It's tying us together which I disagree 100% with. Their rural class are farmers and peasants and have no real assets maybe one or two own land in this peasant orientated society, while the million just 'labor' in return for food and a hut.

PL is vastly different rural wealth system which is 'fishing, frankincense, and livestock'. This is at an individual level not just 'one or two' at the top, every single individual is economically set up this way. If anything our story is more similar to the GULF then the Ethiopians.

We are tying our Electrical needs to Ethiopia which provides us indirectly with non binding Economic growth.

The markets only grow if we have something to give it (produce , inventions etc) , if we can implement fishery systems to begin with we already can haul in double the current budget through taxes. However the construction and maintaining of trawlers demands capable skillsmen and factories to produce parts.

The rural class live like its the 10th century BC we cannot take advice from them but look forward. The Gulf is beginning to produce goods of their own and marketing themselves as tourist destinations as well as plane hotspots.

 

[DR OSMAN]

We are tying our Electrical needs to Ethiopia which provides us indirectly with non binding Economic growth.

The markets only grow if we have something to give it (produce , inventions etc) , if we can implement fishery systems to begin with we already can haul in double the current budget through taxes. However the construction and maintaining of trawlers demands capable skillsmen and factories to produce parts.

The rural class live like its the 10th century BC we cannot take advice from them but look forward. The Gulf is beginning to produce goods of their own and marketing themselves as tourist destinations as well as plane hotspots.

What economic philosophy do u study brother? the first general rule of any economic study teaches you 'city' is just made up of rural people who settled and urbanized. Who else lives in cities? their 'ex rural people' hence knowing the rural economy is paramount in order to determine an appropriate city economy. This can only be done by assessing your society since each society is different.

 

[DR OSMAN]

We are tying our Electrical needs to Ethiopia which provides us indirectly with non binding Economic growth.

The markets only grow if we have something to give it (produce , inventions etc) , if we can implement fishery systems to begin with we already can haul in double the current budget through taxes. However the construction and maintaining of trawlers demands capable skillsmen and factories to produce parts.

The rural class live like its the 10th century BC we cannot take advice from them but look forward. The Gulf is beginning to produce goods of their own and marketing themselves as tourist destinations as well as plane hotspots.

It's not how they live that counts(10TH CENTURY), it's the economic asset(LIVESTOCK) and what it translates too in comparison to other rural settlers of different occupation, after all these groups will settle in the city and once they sell their assets could lead vastly different lives in the cities. After all these people will be urbanized in the end, this will develop distinct economic classes in the city with 'poorer laborer base being the farmer society' and herder society 'the upper echelon' in the city. U see this commonly with 'rahanwayn' being in 'camps' in the cities, they can't buy a house since their occupation doesn't create 'tangible' asset to convert into a property. Where-as u will never see Puntlander living in a camp in the south as they can sell their livestock and buy a house immediately. So now what? he achieved the whole purpose of middle class hence the economy needs to look different in herder based societies to farmer based societies.

This may even lead to tribalism, racial superiority, or any other concievable social construct man can come up with, but the real issue has deep roots in 'economics' and not social constructs which develop much later to explain why some areas are ghetto and poor and they start to think it's racial thing or tribal thing. It can lead to instability in the end.

 

[PhySom]

What economic philosophy do u study brother? the first general rule of any economic study teaches you 'city' is just made up of rural people who settled and urbanized. Who else lives in cities? their 'ex rural people' hence knowing the rural economy is paramount in order to determine an appropriate city economy. This can only be done by assessing your society since each society is different.

We can impliment reeducation systems , but what can we gain from a rural person?

A rural person lives in a tight nit environment and does not have the technical capacity to group objects in certain ways and formulate advanced mathematical formulisms. To reach urban level they must live in the city for several generations and take advantage of the flynn effect.

The urban people lead the nation in the development of the important state building institutions. Fisheries and Tuna factories are both urban practises which can grow Puntlands economy over a few years. Right now we rely on live stock which are a depreciating asset.

 

[CaliTedesse]

If we tie ourselves economically to Ethiopia, we are also going to be tied to their development pattern. In order for us to grow, we need their markets to grow also. It's tying us together which I disagree 100% with. Their rural class are farmers and peasants and have no real assets maybe one or two own land in this peasant orientated society, while the million just 'labor' in return for food and a hut.

PL is vastly different rural wealth system which is 'fishing, frankincense, and livestock'. This is at an individual level not just 'one or two' at the top, every single individual is economically set up this way. If anything our story is more similar to the GULF then the Ethiopians. Mixing farmer/herders has shown economic disparity developing. We see how this led to genocide in Rwanda between t0tsi and h@tu. While the h@tu were farmers the tutsi were herders. The h@tu would enter the cities 'begging' since they owned no tangible asset to convert into city living. They became 'laborers' in the city while the herders converted their assets and bought properties and became top class immediately. U can imagine how much livestock cost, it can easily cover the cost of a house in a city. So what will this nomad do since he achieved the objectives of city living which is to work and buy a property when he can do that immediately without working. Hence u need a different economic approach. The gulf would be more of a better case study.

You are an interesting fella, but couldn't the farmer just sell his produce and buy property. Or do you think herders are only capable of buying property. Where I live most farmers are well off, while average folk are piss poor. Farmer owns a house and land which city folk can dream of.

 

[DR OSMAN]

You are an interesting fella, but couldn't the farmer just sell his produce and buy property. Or do you think herders are only capable of buying property. Where I live most farmers are well off, while average folk are piss poor. Farmer owns a house and land which city folk can dream of.

If farming created wealth, there would be no reason why rahanwayn enter our towns with dacas, duuf and live in 'camps'. I realized then this is not due to their clan, they simply do not have any tangible asset to convert. Farming produce is the exact problem. How much produce can a single farmer do within a year? does he own the land? is the land even 'expensive' usually they are very cheap if their outside of major cities like hamar and that's if he even owns the 'land. The next thing u can look at his production level over a yearly period. U will find some shocking 'statistics' then and notice why rahanwayn always enter poorly into PL and live in camps or any city in Somalia not just PL, but anywhere that is a city. It's mainly to do with the cost of living and prices of cities vs their rural occupation 'mistmatching' where-as there is no mis-match for a nomad and urbanite. The only time a nomad enters a 'camp' is when a disaster befalls them like 'drought'.

So your essentially bringing two different rural background societies into one city on the basis of a 'social construct' such as 'somalinimo' while ignoring the different economic realities of both them, this not in our national interest as the hatred and suspicions of each other will arise over time.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@CaliTedesse we can perform a test. Cost a house in a city. Let's just say 30k for a 'B grade' town. political capitals are very expensive now like Garowe, Mogadishu, Hargeisa. U could be looking anywhere between 50-70k for 'standard villa' now in these cities, this is my guess.

A Nomadic family needs only 50 camels to achieve 'middle class' status in a city. 50 camels is quite common in PL for an average rural nomad. Then lets go to baydhabo and measure farming, how much farming produce does he need to do to make '50k'? we start weighing by the 'tons'. If u know how much he sells by the kilo, we can multiply how many tonns he has to do and if this is within their capacity as individual farmers? u will find some interesting disparities.

My idea of farming it's hand to mouth, they farm just enough to feed themselves my friend not have an 'asset' in the end and this translates to why they enter cities and become labourers so they end up regaining their old position in rural area now in th city and they become 'xaamaali' once again to feed themselves. It's weird but I can demonstrate these tests showing u the huge disparity.

 

[CaliTedesse]

@CaliTedesse we can perform a test. Cost a house in a city. Let's just say 30k for a 'B grade' town. political capitals are very expensive now like Garowe, Mogadishu, Hargeisa. U could be looking anywhere between 50-70k for 'standard villa' now in these cities, this is my guess.

A Nomadic family needs only 50 camels to achieve 'middle class' status in a city. 50 camels is quite common in PL for an average rural nomad. Then lets go to baydhabo and measure farming, how much farming produce does he need to do to make '50k'? we start weighing by the 'tons'. If u know how much he sells by the kilo, we can multiply how many tonns he has to do and if this is within their capacity as individual farmers? u will find some interesting disparities.

My idea of farming it's hand to mouth, they farm just enough to feed themselves my friend not have an 'asset' in the end and this translates to why they enter cities and become labourers so they end up regaining their old position in rural area now in th city and they become 'xaamaali' once again to feed themselves. It's weird but I can demonstrate these tests showing u the huge disparity.

Xaarmali walle this nigga is hilarious, but I get your point walle bile

 

[DR OSMAN]

Xaarmali walle this nigga is hilarious, but I get your point walle bile

Where-as the average local Puntlander has nothing in a city to 'add' upon his settlement. He bought a house, he achieved the dream of all city settlers, which is to own their own homes. He did that without even sweating one day in the city. See how u need to 'gear up' the economy differently for these type of societies so it's beneficial for them also. Right now the only winner is rahanwayn, Madow, and ex farmers who are picking up on 'trade/repair, small items trading' there is real measurable growth for them going from dacas and camps to now having tangible assets. I can understand why a rahanwayn would see PL as barwaaqo but the government needs to focus on it's real populace and begin designing an economy that suits them not suits farmers.