They can invest in Galmudug and Hirshabelle instead of Mogadishu once those states mature and handle the security situation, and then they can become successful states but some of that also depends on how FGS handles the Shabaab question who are squatting on parts of GM/HS.
Puntland Must Stop Abuse On Federalism
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Somalia is one country and all of Somalia will be governed by one government only. What's good for other countries is also good for Somalia
@warside PIM advertisement
I have also provided many independence models that can be discussed in PL.
1. 99 year independence treaty, 25 year federal union review and if Somalia isn't federal within 100 years, we will automatically switch to nation state status and we developed a credible international profile over the 99 year interim period.
2. Confederation model structured similar to the EU model, but this will effect all states and may not be suitable.
3. 2 system but 1 nation model china and hong kong. This is a workable solution. We will essentially be apart of Somalia on 'paper' but in reality a proper 'nation state'.
4. Balkanization(too radical for international support)
5. Begging recognition(we are to proud to beg)
I have also provided many independence models that can be discussed in PL.
1. 99 year independence treaty, 25 year federal union review and if Somalia isn't federal within 100 years, we will automatically switch to nation state status and we developed a credible international profile over the 99 year interim period.
2. Confederation model structured similar to the EU model, but this will effect all states and may not be suitable.
3. 2 system but 1 nation model china and hong kong. This is a workable solution. We will essentially be apart of Somalia on 'paper' but in reality a proper 'nation state'.
4. Balkanization(too radical for international support)
5. Begging recognition(we are to proud to beg)
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Puntland will be isolated, degraded and ultimately dismantled
I doubt PL will seek your advice, a man who can't travel 2 km without a checkpoint in hamar, a man who flies between jowhar n mogadishu looooool, a man who has amisom protecting him, a man where even the embassies hide out in container ships in halane outside YOUR CONTROL. Qof ku kalsoon hawiye gudaha ama dibada ma jirto except ppl who want to see 'somalia in continous chaos'.
We're not like Somaliland, majority of our people and even politicians don't subscribe to the PIM movement, but in the constitution there's an article that gives PL more powers and can do whatever in its constitution without consulting the FGS.
Well the current model is clearly not working, since 2009 till now it's been one nitemare conflict after another conflict with the SFG. We can't keep workin within this model, we need something else that can give us access to world institutions, governments, etc not just NGO's and allow us to do our own thing.
@warside What's wrong with an 'interim' 99 year independence and every generational time-line 25 years we inspect if Somalia is stable, no conflict, and federal. This can satisfy the unionist in PL, that our independence is 'interim' untill Somalia get's it's act together and if it doesn't at leasts in 100 years we would've developed a nation state profile and will be welcomed into the international community.
The benefits of this type of 'treaty' is boundless. The international community will sign it as it's not a radical solution but an interim solution, while in the interim independence state, we can get so many tasks n development completed, and the unionist can be told to shut up becuz we will 'review somalia situation every 25 years' and if Somalia is suitable we will 'merge' and if it's not we still do our own thing separate un-effected.
What will the unionist say that's bad about that? do they want us sitting on the sideline for another 20 years and just prayin n waiting? war arimaheena hanoo socoto dhinaca independence on 1 hand and on another hand reviewing somalia every 25 years. We will win no matter which way Somalia goes now.
The benefits of this type of 'treaty' is boundless. The international community will sign it as it's not a radical solution but an interim solution, while in the interim independence state, we can get so many tasks n development completed, and the unionist can be told to shut up becuz we will 'review somalia situation every 25 years' and if Somalia is suitable we will 'merge' and if it's not we still do our own thing separate un-effected.
What will the unionist say that's bad about that? do they want us sitting on the sideline for another 20 years and just prayin n waiting? war arimaheena hanoo socoto dhinaca independence on 1 hand and on another hand reviewing somalia every 25 years. We will win no matter which way Somalia goes now.
@warside misery loves company, my abtiyaal are 'xasid' ppl, they prefer the 'we all lose mentality' or we all 'win' mentality. They love that PL is stuck with the south and being considered the 'same' status. Iyagu ma raban inay horay uu socodan my abtiyaal and their goal only is to ensure PL doesn't progress either. I know their mentality!!! im just shocked you said PL even supports these type unionists.
I urge u review unionism, we want a 'safe and realistic' union model not this 'rushed union model' bringing 30% of Somalia that is stable, politically mature/stable, and economically developed with an unstable, chaotic, shabab and amisom playground of south-central somalia. Wat type of union is that? is that the type of union PL unionist want? Or a safer, somalia being federally reviewed every 25 year model?
I urge u review unionism, we want a 'safe and realistic' union model not this 'rushed union model' bringing 30% of Somalia that is stable, politically mature/stable, and economically developed with an unstable, chaotic, shabab and amisom playground of south-central somalia. Wat type of union is that? is that the type of union PL unionist want? Or a safer, somalia being federally reviewed every 25 year model?
Sxb the FGS will not agree to any independence talk, so at least be like Somaliland and make your self clear, maybe what Sanbaloolshe suggested is a good middle ground where FGS only governs South Somalia, and until the south becomes suitable for governance PL and SL function as sovereign states.
So your model is be like SL and declare independence and then start begging world wide. That simply replicating the same pain we are in now, it doesn't solve anything, as we won't access international institutions, banks, and bi-lateral governmental development partners.
We need a separate model to SL, a model that satisfies our unionists/secessionist, a model that the international community can support and isn't seen as 'radical' policy change but 'interim' solution or pilot, and something the SFG can sign also.
Politics isn't about 'radical experiments', the international community will isolate us if we come with radical models like balkanization, begging world wide and not respecting international law, etc. They will clearly sense these are 'rushed emotional' systems and not 'realistic'
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Your evil will come back to you, Aamiin dheh?
You are lucky I am nearly cured of FKD, because the old me would have had some choice words for you.
Puntland oo ka hor timid wax qaybsi siman oo Maaliyadeed
POSTED BY: IDIL NEWS STAFF SEPTEMBER 10, 2022
Puntland waa diiday waxqaybsigii Maaliyada si siman dhamaan Dowlad Goboleedyada.
Wasiirka Maaliyada Puntland,ayaana ka baxay Shirka oo socda.
Doodii hore ee taagnayd oo ahayd in Dowlada Fadaraalku qaadato Boqolkiiba 65%,isla markaana Dowlad Goboleedyada la siiyo 35% waa laga soo gudbay oo 40%,ayaa laysla ogolaaday.
Balse 40% Dowlad Goboleedyadu qaateen,ayaa lasoo jeediyay in loo qaybsado si is leβeg ah.
Puntland waxqaybsigaas waa ka hor timid oo waxay dalbatay saami ka badan kuwa Dowlad Goboleedyada kale.
Galmudug,Hir-shabelle,KG iyo JL waxay maamulaan waa min Magaalo mana laha Miisaaniyad fadhida,mana bixiyaan Mushahaar iyo Adeeg.
Puntland waxay maamumashaa Sadex meelood oo meel guud ahaan Somaliya,iyadoo bixisaa Mushahaar iyo adeeg joogta ah,waxayna leedahay Miisaaniyad ka badan 200-Milyan oo dolar.
Somaliland iyo Gobolka Banaadir waa laga reebay qaybsiga Lacagtan 100-ka Milyan ee dolar ah.
Jibril Qoobey
