Puntland Minister Mogadishu Should Lose It's Capital Status
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Mogadishu has failed in it's basic constitution task delegated of protecting Somali Borders. But mind you any task delegated to the SFG shows the problem of centralism as they resort to the same symptoms of the centralism past such as power abuse, corruption, tyranny, development aid isbaaro, clannism, nepotism, misusing govt to persecute clans, they even use isbaaro on any task they currently manage like airspace blockade on GEDO.
Just like in the past failures of centralism, unitarism models of 1960-1969 and 1969-1991, our federal govt won't even last this time 30 years becuz then we were distracted with Ethiopia-Kenya. It will un-do everything and collapse within 2 govt terms if we head more to unitary-centralism and it doesn't matter what clan is in power, the actual system format and centralizing power is the problem.
If they can't even manage competently their current reserve powers, why would PL or Somalis want more powers given to them, makes no sense and it makes no sense for them or anyone to promote caqli xumadani. All Somalis should promote we want the weakest federation model within 1 somalia goal post. We want nothing more then a SFG that is present in xaflad jog and ceromonial.
Just like in the past failures of centralism, unitarism models of 1960-1969 and 1969-1991, our federal govt won't even last this time 30 years becuz then we were distracted with Ethiopia-Kenya. It will un-do everything and collapse within 2 govt terms if we head more to unitary-centralism and it doesn't matter what clan is in power, the actual system format and centralizing power is the problem.
If they can't even manage competently their current reserve powers, why would PL or Somalis want more powers given to them, makes no sense and it makes no sense for them or anyone to promote caqli xumadani. All Somalis should promote we want the weakest federation model within 1 somalia goal post. We want nothing more then a SFG that is present in xaflad jog and ceromonial.
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The capital selected outside Mogadishu should be measured for
1. Competent Isimo and welcoming ppl
2. Weather
3. Location and access to nation for security reason
4. Geological such as mountain, in-land, coastal factors
5. Most not be centralized to any regional govt capital or gobol in the federation
We can set those important criterias and start applying weights of importance to each area and score them after calculating their total score. We must remember no-where selected will be perfect but we r selecting the least worst option through comparisons.
I honestly believe the race will be between Erigavo and Gaalkacyo. Their big pitfalls is Galkacyo wild-wild-west people and lack of competent Isimo oo dalkani lagu amini karo ileen galkacyo ayay isku amini karin. But it's biggest strength is Location. Erigavo bigget pitfall is their location, but biggest strength competent isimo and welcoming people oo masuliyad somaliyeed qaadi kara based on the cross clan performance locally which Galkacyo never achieved.
Galkacyo location means a plus for security location wise, dhulka waa istraaji, lakin dadku ma aha. Halka erigavo big plus is internal istraaji with competent isimo iyo dad degan so it doesn't turn into 91 inside.
1. Competent Isimo and welcoming ppl
2. Weather
3. Location and access to nation for security reason
4. Geological such as mountain, in-land, coastal factors
5. Most not be centralized to any regional govt capital or gobol in the federation
We can set those important criterias and start applying weights of importance to each area and score them after calculating their total score. We must remember no-where selected will be perfect but we r selecting the least worst option through comparisons.
I honestly believe the race will be between Erigavo and Gaalkacyo. Their big pitfalls is Galkacyo wild-wild-west people and lack of competent Isimo oo dalkani lagu amini karo ileen galkacyo ayay isku amini karin. But it's biggest strength is Location. Erigavo bigget pitfall is their location, but biggest strength competent isimo and welcoming people oo masuliyad somaliyeed qaadi kara based on the cross clan performance locally which Galkacyo never achieved.
Galkacyo location means a plus for security location wise, dhulka waa istraaji, lakin dadku ma aha. Halka erigavo big plus is internal istraaji with competent isimo iyo dad degan so it doesn't turn into 91 inside.
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mohamedismail
Reewin. Lixda Gobol ee Maayland unii leh!
He's totally right the capital should be transferred to somewhere in puntland or Laascaanood.
Why don't u rahanwayn play a national role and say your neutral and clean clan and not Darod or Hawiye and tell them meeshay ku saxsan yihin iyo meeshay ka xun tahay. U could leverage your neutrality as you have no vested conflict of interest. Plus ur views will be trusted since u had foresight and aragti when no-one did in the past about federation.
Casimada according to Darod view must be shared by all Somalis becuz magac somaliyeed bay huwan tahay, halka hawiye waxay raban magaceena watan lakin hawiyenimo uu dhaqman. We r not interfering in their GM/HS ama anywhere as long as their not using our name.
Our other complaint is the regions proved their somalinimo, neglected their clan/regional interest, they lost all their taxes, aid, loans to Mogadishu, but mogadishu has never carried any burden like that and only sucked on the benefits. We demand they re-pay this and start carrying the burden like the regions did this time and all development should go 99% to regions and only 1% to Mogadishu for at least 100 years untill all that loan, taxes, aid is repaid to the regions.
We also disgusted at their lack of contribution to state recovery and sending us back to 91 goalpost when-ever their in power. We r sick of them not acknowledging their contribution to state failure turning a rebel movement issue which was purely political and switching it to clan dimensions, looting, squatting, terrorism, etc.
mohamedismail
Reewin. Lixda Gobol ee Maayland unii leh!
I agree 100%. Rahanweyn must be the Vito power to pick a side when hawiye and Daarood differentiate.
What I've noticed is that we just become either team hawiye or team Daarood. That's a issue.
Culayski Casimada or masuliyadisa ma raban hawiye lakin waxay raban miirahisa keliya, lets be real. They want all the benefits but none of the responsibility.
mohamedismail
Reewin. Lixda Gobol ee Maayland unii leh!
I believe it either needs to change or it needs to be meel la wada leeyahay. How can xamar remain as capital when a whole sub group of Somalis don't feel welcome.
Exactly the capital doesn't unify Somalis as a true capital should, in-fact it makes non hawiye feel totally isolated or at times even feel dangerous depending on situation. It brings the worst out of somalis hamar and makes them hate each other constantly as hawiye goes tribal. It doesn't bring the best out of Somalis at all.
A federation with 2 milion people was not feasiable
It's feasible even for the UAE federation was done for 50-100k population and was poor as hell as they had no colonial legacy like Somalia. Stop discrediting Rahanwayn was a visionary while all the rest was idiots with aragti xun and led to our collapse in 91 in 30 years. If they proved their aragti power in the past, I trust their aragti today over the idiot centralists clans who proved in the past they were not wise.
The only thing they got wrong was language based federation which ethiopia copied today due to clan interest, all we needed was someone to say 'tweak it to clan federalism' as clan is the local reality not wait for PL to say it in 98.
bidenkulaha
GalYare
Why do you want to copy other people just rid somaliyee of the presidency and parliement i would suggest somaliyee to be ruled by a council
Councilship of somaliyee (COS)
Fits with the tradtions of the country more then a fedarations
My clan political independence is the strongest value in all clans. U confuse social somalinimo which is no different to arab social level cooperation. Somalis are only Somali over social areas not power. Council based govt won't work. Anytime u introduce politics or any system where power is involved in somali whether diaspora or local and its centralized, it leads to collapse cuz it's not their dhaqan. Cooperation is done only when their fully independent or autonomous from each other once u bring them together to share in any model even council will break down into infighting.
Fed is not the way every region will split apart ever xaafaad has a flag now soon the inreversiable will have happened
I believe relocating the Somali capital to Bosaso could be a beneficial idea. To ensure its suitability, the city should consider inviting and resettling:
1 - Around 500,000 Hawiye individuals, primarily from the HG and Abgal subgroups.
2 - Approximately 300,000 non-Harity Daroods.
3 - Roughly 500,000 Rahnwyn residents.
4 - About 300,000 individuals from Jarerwyn, Cad Cad , and other communities.
Providing them with land, supporting the establishment of their businesses, and ensuring fair political representation would be essential.
Once this diverse community demonstrates its commitment to creating an inclusive city that treats everyone equally, presenting their case in court could be the next step.
1 - Around 500,000 Hawiye individuals, primarily from the HG and Abgal subgroups.
2 - Approximately 300,000 non-Harity Daroods.
3 - Roughly 500,000 Rahnwyn residents.
4 - About 300,000 individuals from Jarerwyn, Cad Cad , and other communities.
Providing them with land, supporting the establishment of their businesses, and ensuring fair political representation would be essential.
Once this diverse community demonstrates its commitment to creating an inclusive city that treats everyone equally, presenting their case in court could be the next step.
It would be nice to hear from @convincation do you agree with the PL minister that PL should be defacto independent from PL i.e. just declare the FGS is Muqdisho and whatever you want without formalizing their defacto independence
Lol one of the funniest beefs on here
Yes I agree with my state Puntland fully. Guul Dalka udul or whatever we call it
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