Puntland launching projects in Sool

[Abdisamad]

Btw.. Before the formation of the Waqooyi-Bari, I think some people were using this name an insult to demean Khatumo.. So naturally I was suprised when they chose this name for the new state.. Ssc sounded so much better and more specific than the name waqooyibari.. Atleast with the name SSC we understand what is included in this state and would make more sense in terms of the states geography.

 

[Abdisamad]

The war started the moment firdhiye claimed all of Sanaag will be part of waqooyi bari. From there, the 17 dhulbahantes in Puntland will be used to claim their lands . If they stay confined in Sool and Jidali , we won’t mention or care about them

and this is coming from someone who lost a close family member to goojacade wars

I bet Qoslaye is very happy with this division.. He could've never wished for anything better than this.. But what can we expect when we have people like Deni and Firdhiye as leaders..

 

[The Oponian Guild]

We supported and still support our brothers in SSC, but many people are discontent with the FGS meddling and how some Khatumo politicians have chosen to ally themselves with Qoslaye's administration, I understand some brothers would argue they had to do this in order to be approved as a federal member state by the government in Muqdisho.. But I personally do not recognize the muqdisho administrations as a real government, I also think their support is more of a political thing, which is one to cause division and Second to have some type of relevance in the north.. I think we're living in a very dangerous time, many Puntlanders have formed so much hatred against Qoslaye and his ilk that they've been turned into semi seccesionists, also Deni's ambitions to become the president and challenge Qoslaye in politics through Puntland have caused a lot of damage.. All in all our leaders are shit, be it Deni, Qoslaye or the ones doing the conference in LA.. They all want to be the strong man, no dialogue and zero compromise..

Deni is not bad as internal head of PL, he just has shit foreign policy!

 

[The Oponian Guild]

Btw.. Before the formation of the Waqooyi-Bari, I think some people were using this name an insult to demean Khatumo.. So naturally I was suprised when they chose this name for the new state.. Ssc sounded so much better and more specific than the name waqooyibari.. Atleast with the name SSC we understand what is included in this state and would make more sense in terms of the states geography.

We are the true waqooyi bari, they’re woqooyi!

 

[Abdisamad]

We are the true waqooyi bari, they’re woqooyi!

It's all a rushed process to form this state, so Qoslaye could pull throug his failed constitution changes and one man one vote election scam.. Imagine how much money he spend to have all these corrupted politicians in his pocket

 

[Abdisamad]

Deni is not bad as internal head of PL, he just has shit foreign policy!

I suspect Deni to be using PL as a stepping stone to get into the villa, a lot of hidden things going on behind closed doors sxb.

 

[Bari]

The problem is MJs who still think like @Aarka Nugaal and Deni which are many. I can't say anything to these Dhulos while we still have 17mps, VP, Deputy ministers and the many other posts still eating PL tax payers money. Instead of thanking the Almighty they have left, we are still doing all that. War maxaa naga galay if they bring hutus or they make peace or fight idoor? Guard the border and let's mind our business. Nothing west of Bari should concern us.

Sool gartay, but why would I forfeit all of that valuable land and coastline in eastern Sanaag when the people are proud Puntlanders and the maamul currently has troops there. If it were up to me i would release the 17 Dh xildhibaans, offer 5 more to warsangeli, promise them vice presidency whilst retaining a strong chance at securing presidency marka one-man-one-vote la aado. Dhulkaa saxaarada oo dhulbhanate deganyihiin dhan kama lihi laakin dhulkaa cagaaran oo caro warsangeli ah is too valuable for me inaan bilaash ku bixiyo and if I focus on nothing but west of Bari, I am giving up lands that I have been investing in for 27 years.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I love PL govt model for development. The idea is brilliant.

identified districts are given their shot to shine once they get their act together and the govt sees their working together, social harmony, and a common goal(la hubo oo aysan muran ku jirin).

All districts need the basics first before private investment is feasible such as health post, education facility, infrastructure like access corridors and roads, energy backbone. This is the universal standard to keep people alive first, skilled second, and not sick.

Private development will come once the local offer a skill which is the bit where PL hasn't addressed due to priorities being keeping people alive first and not extinction in this failed Somalia.

Puntland govt is following good standard development practices but Mogadishu, snm, foreign actors In bed with Mogadishu(Turks, Qatar, Egypt) are not happy about PL JIR OO JOG posture and using Khatumo local interest to become a state to create Kala yac in PL or have it defragment jifi to jifi in mj later.

Tusbaxasi PL 1998 Harti and leelkase union shall never be infringed whether by mj supremacist or horgalsor Harti secessionists or horgals. War meeeshani dad ba uu fekeray long term wise, put up with the short term clan fkd shit.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

I love PL govt model for development. The idea is brilliant.

identified districts are given their shot to shine once they get their act together and the govt sees their working together, social harmony, and a common goal.

All districts need the basics first before private investment is feasible such as health post, education facility, infrastructure like access corridors and roads, energy backbone. This is the universal standard to keep people alive first, skilled second, and not sick.

Private development will come once the local offer a skill which is the bit where PL hasn't addressed due to priorities being keeping people alive first in this failed Somalia. Puntland govt is following good standard development practices but Mogadishu, snm, foreign actors In bed with Mogadishu(Turks, Qatar, Egypt) are not happy about PL JIR OO JOG polices and using Khatumo local interest to become a state to create Kala yac in PL or have it defragment jifi to jifi in mj later.

We should advocate for a national puntlander identity and even exclude MJ who don’t live in PL or have connections to it. Wa meesha ey kaso galan, it’s where the subversion and isku dir begins.

 

[DR OSMAN]

We should advocate for a national puntlander identity and even exclude MJ who don’t live in PL or have connections to it. Wa meesha ey kaso galan, it’s where the subversion and isku dir begins.

What we need to do is tell the locals who have lived there the truth. Most your elites are Hamar cultured due to the colonial experiment in Mogadishu and have come back to you with the mafia culture of Mogadishu thinking politics is some chess game, competition between sport teams because they were urbanites and ciyaal xaafad.

The isimo are fed up also and that's why U always hear them and the govt never in agreement as they don't hold those traditions and nor want their people survival and well being treated like some turub game. That's why U see many articles albaabki ayaa laysku dhuftay between politicians(Hamar trained) vs Isimo(who don't have that failed colonial mindsets or ciyaal xaafad hamar style to politics).

If you add the amount of MJ, Hartis who lived in other parts of Somalia or Hamar or globally, generational differences inside us(sultanate, syl, kacaan, warlord, terror kids) on top of that bro various locations we grew up in nationally or globally. We must set a law holding any institution or public office requires you are local, diaspora can play an advisory role not decision making role in the state is my view point, as it does need a local to make the decision as his gambling his own well being which can bring about integrity or a forced integrity not willing one lol not have diaspora take offices and known their leaving once their term ends which can allow for anyone to corrupt that type of leader.

 

[Juke]

The masayr in this thread is misplaced, when have Xasan Ugaas ever been anti-PL? They along with the Kaskiqabe in NE Sool have always been pro-PL

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Sool gartay, but why would I forfeit all of that valuable land and coastline in eastern Sanaag when the people are proud Puntlanders and the maamul currently has troops there. If it were up to me i would release the 17 Dh xildhibaans, offer 5 more to warsangeli, promise them vice presidency whilst retaining a strong chance at securing presidency marka one-man-one-vote la aado. Dhulkaa saxaarada oo dhulbhanate deganyihiin dhan kama lihi laakin dhulkaa cagaaran oo caro warsangeli ah is too valuable for me inaan bilaash ku bixiyo and if I focus on nothing but west of Bari, I am giving up lands that I have been investing in for 27 years.

I mostly talking about those Dhulbahante politicians. They gotta go. What this PL government is doing to keep them at the expense of tax payers is unacceptable. Even the Warsans if they all decide to leave, let them go. We don't need to fight over other folks lands. Cut our loses and move on. I really believe we are better off with only our lands.

 

[Stonkz]

Sool gartay, but why would I forfeit all of that valuable land and coastline in eastern Sanaag when the people are proud Puntlanders and the maamul currently has troops there. If it were up to me i would release the 17 Dh xildhibaans, offer 5 more to warsangeli, promise them vice presidency whilst retaining a strong chance at securing presidency marka one-man-one-vote la aado. Dhulkaa saxaarada oo dhulbhanate deganyihiin dhan kama lihi laakin dhulkaa cagaaran oo caro warsangeli ah is too valuable for me inaan bilaash ku bixiyo and if I focus on nothing but west of Bari, I am giving up lands that I have been investing in for 27 years.

Look at this baboon salivating over Warsangali lands, no better than a Zionist or idoor

You didn’t invest shit for 27 years and now they want to walk you’re talking about “why would I let that land go”

 

[FAST_LANE]

Look at this baboon salivating over Warsangali lands, no better than a Zionist or idoor

You didn’t invest shit for 27 years and now they want to walk you’re talking about “why would I let that land go”

I suppose Khatumo isn't doing the same? The problem is that some of you fail to see the gravity of what you did. You walked out and all your graads met in Las anod back in February to declare your intent of creating your own State, most puntlanders, including me didn't see any problem with that, but to come back and claim the whole Sanaag is what turned most puntlanders against you. There was one way to approach this: to have all Warsangeli suldaans first declare they too want out of Puntland, in which Puntland has no grounds to refuse. After that, Makhir can merge with Khatumo. YOU took the dangerous route in which today, you made enemies with Warsangeli, Majerteen and Isaaq.

 

[Bari]

Look at this baboon salivating over Warsangali lands, no better than a Zionist or idoor

You didn’t invest shit for 27 years and now they want to walk you’re talking about “why would I let that land go”

The highest levels of Warsangeli authority have spoken, the areas that beesha Warsangeli live in Sanaag belong to maamulka puntland and that has been the case since 1998. No amount of paying journalists, ex-puntland public servants and money hungry nobodies will change that fact. As we speak, puntland troops are stationed in the heart of Badhan, Deni has also made plans to travel there in the coming days. Eastern Sanaag and Haylaan is puntland, under our jurisdiction and will remain so until and unless suldaan Siciid permits otherwise. Once dhulbahante lands are relinquished our Warsangeli brothers will be filling the vacuum of xildhibaans, wasiirs and madaxweyn ku xigeen,giving them unprecedented power in Somalias largest maamul. Things could have been drastically different if firdhiye followed through with the harti wide conference promised in the February 6 2023 agreement. Hostile politics will be met with hostile politics.
If you’re able to read Somali, below is the final verdict of the grand suldaan of Warsangeli along with the esteemed, ugaas, Islaan and garaad of Warsangeli.

 

[_Yusuf_]

I suppose Khatumo isn't doing the same? The problem is that some of you fail to see the gravity of what you did. You walked out and all your graads met in Las anod back in February to declare your intent of creating your own State, most puntlanders, including me didn't see any problem with that, but to come back and claim the whole Sanaag is what turned most puntlanders against you. There was one way to approach this: to have all Warsangeli suldaans first declare they too want out of Puntland, in which Puntland has no grounds to refuse. After that, Makhir can merge with Khatumo. YOU took the dangerous route in which today, you made enemies with Warsangeli, Majerteen and Isaaq.

Weren't they calling themselves SSC from the jump. How could them claiming Sanaag be surprising?

 

[Aarka Nugaal]

I suppose Khatumo isn't doing the same? The problem is that some of you fail to see the gravity of what you did. You walked out and all your graads met in Las anod back in February to declare your intent of creating your own State, most puntlanders, including me didn't see any problem with that, but to come back and claim the whole Sanaag is what turned most puntlanders against you. There was one way to approach this: to have all Warsangeli suldaans first declare they too want out of Puntland, in which Puntland has no grounds to refuse. After that, Makhir can merge with Khatumo. YOU took the dangerous route in which today, you made enemies with Warsangeli, Majerteen and Isaaq.

This is pretty much the entire issue in a nutshell and why the main garaad Jama garaad Ali refused to attend the shir. He went to the Warsans over a year ago to propose a joint state and the warsans refused.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Btw.. Before the formation of the Waqooyi-Bari, I think some people were using this name an insult to demean Khatumo.. So naturally I was suprised when they chose this name for the new state.. Ssc sounded so much better and more specific than the name waqooyibari.. Atleast with the name SSC we understand what is included in this state and would make more sense in terms of the states geography.

This name has an agenda and I hear it's related to the North-South political dream of USC/SNM. Because why are they calling themselves a name that revolves around Waqooyi-ism and not Somalia en-large. This entire agenda has been hijacked but people will call me 'cuqdad' ridden for seeing through Culusow's plots.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

This name has an agenda and I hear it's related to the North-South political dream of USC/SNM. Because why are they calling themselves a name that revolves around Waqooyi-ism and not Somalia en-large. This entire agenda has been hijacked but people will call me 'cuqdad' ridden for seeing through Culusow's plots.

It’s more related to PL, as of now there’s a tense relationship between xamar and hargeisa governments. I do not think they’d be so brazen but I think harti subversion+parallel administration is going to be used to try and delegitimise Puntland. The naming and the presence of Xoosh makes me think this is a possible scenario.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

It’s more related to PL, as of now there’s a tense relationship between xamar and hargeisa governments. I do not think they’d be so brazen but I think harti subversion+parallel administration is going to be used to try and delegitimise Puntland. The naming and the presence of Xoosh makes me think this is a possible scenario.

Yes, to undermine Puntland of course. But the overall agenda is the same one that Urursi has been cooking up since day 1. The North-South agreement aka power-sharing between Hargeisa and Mogadishu.

The name Waqooyi Bari is a hint of what's to come.