Puntland Land Policy Undefined

[DR OSMAN]

What is Puntland land policy? what is owned by private and public? I know my clan farm-land is stretching into Garowe and we are not prepared to have the government declare it a public land. It's a clan inheritance from 1870's. I am sure many puntland clans probably have this dilemma. The govt never deals with the hard issues and let's thing just sit on the backburner, that's why they're is a-lot of conflict in PL, it's all to do with land and defining what is mine and what is the government. The govt has not developed a land policy nor even discusses this major issue. I will not allow the govt to make decisions about my land and sell it off to other clans who will 'boast' how they are living on my ancestors land.

For your information I am not prepared to hand over a clan inheritance of farm land just because it got bigger and has stretched into the city. So we need to develop a policy that respects private ownership and clan inheritances. In Australia traditional aboriginal land have different laws, they are not managed by the government but the elders manage it and decide what can be done with it. Maybe we need to copy this law in Puntland where-ever there is a clan land, we must declare it 'traditional land' and the ELDER of the land must be the final authority. If he wants to sell the land or build it, it's up to him and what price they are willing to offer.

We were offered 500k for our farm land due to being close to Garowe but we refused, it has an important sentimental value for our clan family to unite and talk and hold conferences on 'clan farm land' that our ancestors left us. Bah dubays refuses to surrender it. I urge clans who also have clan inheritances to get to work immediately and preserve they're inheritances without disturbing the PL govt, we must resolve this issue in peaceful way and not violent way. Mamul jira layskama burburiye kkkkk

 

[nomand]

What clan farm are you on about. And no one will offer you 500,000 for a farm that relies on rain water in garowe For that type of money you can get a 5000 hectare farm.right on the jubba river sxb so stop the bullshit.

I know because I have land in jubbaland.And it is not owned by my qabil it is owned by me.

 

[DR OSMAN]

What clan farm are you on about. And no one will offer you 500,000 for a farm that relies on rain water in garowe For that type of money you can get a 5000 hectare farm.right on the jubba river sxb so stop the bullshit.

I know because I have land in jubbaland.And it is not owned by my qabil it is owned by me.

We already got the offer and rejected, we not selling even for millions. It's large farm land that has expanded and reaching the city perimeter. Why u think this guy is going to court for us. It's not even worth sellin as it's for my whole clan, or anyone who abtirsi to hassan iyo sicid yusuf can get a plot. I will take a picture of it when I go there. Your not even reer garowe niyahow or puntland, it's none of your business this shit

I want to know other puntite having land and govt issues and what our solutions maybe. Unless your from saaxo then welcome into the discussion, no discrimination as your stakeholder in the state. If not, get the f*ck out

 

[DR OSMAN]

What clan farm are you on about. And no one will offer you 500,000 for a farm that relies on rain water in garowe For that type of money you can get a 5000 hectare farm.right on the jubba river sxb so stop the bullshit.

I know because I have land in jubbaland.And it is not owned by my qabil it is owned by me.

I can buy farm land too bro, but this is very important to us and memorial from our ancestors. your ancestors left u nothing, your buying something today like a langaab, you don't have a history, your captured b22n probably who knows cuz i dont see u abtirsi. It's not about the land that matters, it's the sentimental value that is irreplaceable. This is where all our clan can sit down and remember our past under beautiful greenery and honor our ancestors. It's merely about our ancestors, it's to remind us how ahead my ancestors were to you. Today if you bought a farm land, it means I have to buy a bigger one then u since ur ancestors left u nothing and my ancestors were ahead of u so i naturally have to be ahead of u also. Talk about ur awoowe untill u equalize yourself to my awoowe, there is no way u can compete in somalia with me as all somalis will SELECT ME OVER U. Ana ka awooweyaal ficna hence i have to be better then u and I wont settle for less and will declare PIM if someone with bad awooweyaal rule me

 

[nomand]

@DR OSMAN

Your a simpleton, my ancestors left the duty north and conquered and settled in jubbaland. I have land that I bought in jubbaland now worth a lot of money.

This land has access to water 24/7 365 days. I don't rely on rain water. My land is fertile and water is plentiful. I am thankful to my ancestors who had the foresight so today as their descendant I have benefited from it

 

[Ras]

Clan land is the thing of the past.

That shit would just generate more feuds out of nowhere.

At the end of the day the average clan member won't benefit from it anyways. Just those opportunists at the top.

Nowadays clans are only good for one thing and that's helping you protect your already registered legal claim to a land.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Clan land is the thing of the past.

That shit would just generate more feuds out of nowhere.

At the end of the day the average clan member won't benefit from it anyways. Just those opportunists at the top.

Nowadays clans are only good for one thing and that's helping you protect your already registered legal claim to a land.

So if my clan farm land inheritance stretches into the city perimeter, are u saying the GOVT has final say on it and it's no longer my land? I am not sure where the wisdom behind this is unless u can explain it? Can I even register the land with the govt so it's legally mine in the sight of the govt? Cuz it's already legally mine in the sight of all clans in Garowe.

You ain't managing my land waryaa using the govt card on me, wax kale sheeg. I will follow the law of the land and do whatever I must to ensure I pay my land taxes, I register it, or any other regulations but I am not going to surrender it to you

 

[Ras]

So if my clan land stretches into the city perimeter, are u saying the GOVT has final say on it? I am not sure where the wisdom behind this is unless u can explain it?

Your clan's claim on that land.... How is it registered?

Is it under a legal entity/corporation owned by your clan members?

If it's not legal according to Puntland or old national laws then you don't really have any claim to that land.

 

[Reer-Bari]

What is Puntland land policy? what is owned by private and public? I know my clan farm-land is stretching into Garowe and we are not prepared to have the government declare it a public land. It's a clan inheritance from 1870's. I am sure many puntland clans probably have this dilemma. The govt never deals with the hard issues and let's thing just sit on the backburner, that's why they're is a-lot of conflict in PL, it's all to do with land and defining what is mine and what is the government. The govt has not developed a land policy nor even discusses this major issue. I will not allow the govt to make decisions about my land and sell it off to other clans who will 'boast' how they are living on my ancestors land.

For your information I am not prepared to hand over a clan inheritance of farm land just because it got bigger and has stretched into the city. So we need to develop a policy that respects private ownership and clan inheritances. In Australia traditional aboriginal land have different laws, they are not managed by the government but the elders manage it and decide what can be done with it. Maybe we need to copy this law in Puntland where-ever there is a clan land, we must declare it 'traditional land' and the ELDER of the land must be the final authority. If he wants to sell the land or build it, it's up to him and what price they are willing to offer.

We were offered 500k for our farm land due to being close to Garowe but we refused, it has an important sentimental value for our clan family to unite and talk and hold conferences on 'clan farm land' that our ancestors left us. Bah dubays refuses to surrender it. I urge clans who also have clan inheritances to get to work immediately and preserve they're inheritances without disturbing the PL govt, we must resolve this issue in peaceful way and not violent way. Mamul jira layskama burburiye kkkkk

you must be insignificant if your getting bullied for your land. I have land from bosaso to garacad. No one can try me. I will come guns blazing.

 

[SlimFarax]

Traditional tribal laws are laws too. Doesnt matter that they are not framed in a western way.

The tribe that resides there owns it

If a area was barren, empty and unused, or common property of multiple different tribes (like a suuq in a big city) then its public property

 

[DR OSMAN]

Traditional tribal laws are laws too. Doesnt matter that they are not framed in a western way.

The tribe that resides there owns it

If a area was barren, empty and unused, or common property of multiple different tribes (like a suuq in a big city) then its public property

I ain't dealing with Ali Salemaan @Reer-Bari kulaha just cuz I ain't starting a war over it, I am langaab, I don't destroy my own house u dumb f*ck, there is govt and I am going thru the proper procedures. Dawlad ayaa dhulkeena sheeganayso not beelo, if it was beelo, hadee bah dubays waa beel also luqadasi waan naqan.

I am done with Ali Salemaan, bah dirooble take your midg22 away from me. We shouldn't even be talking to each other as we are not of the same calibre of people. I know when to SHOW MY GEESINIMO is when a clan fucks with us, but how can I respond with clan warfare when dawlada puntland is saying this clan farm land has stretched to garowe govt territory. Hadee waa in aan maxkamad mara ma garatay, ileen dawlad ba wax ii sheegayso not qabiil, nidamki waa maxkamad civilian courts. That's why we are loved in PL by Issa Mahmoud, Reer Mahad and all Osman Mahmoud. We are not like this dumb f*ck who gets dacesh and shit in qandala to fight a govt like its a clan warfare, if u got a problem with the govt, go thru the govt way, if u got a problem with a clan, hadee deal with in a clan way. He doesnt know the difference waxani and he wants to rule puntland kulaha. HABARTEEDA BAY KA TAHAY BEFORE ALI SALEMAN RULES, WE KNOW YOUR CAWAAANO

 

[DR OSMAN]

@SlimFarax we are still fighting our case in court. Sharciga garowe sxb cid walbo ayaa saxixatay, that's why it's law, waxaa hos imanayo beel walbo ma garatay. No clan is above the law, but this dumb c*nt ali saleman thinks this is clan war he doesnt know the difference i have to respect sharciga puntland and tan dawlada hoose garowe umadi dhan ayaa ku heeshisay which means ALL TRIBES even BAH DUBAYS. Our awoowe xashi garre was pursuing the matter in the civil courts following the law of the land. We know this isn't a clan matter. That's why we are respected in PL, dad is gabto baanu nahay iyo nidaamka jira ma burburino. No clan is above the law, or the govt collapses. But if it was some issa mahmoud dude bringing his militias and saying its issa territory, we know thats a clan matter now, we know how to deal with it then. Hence our gobanimo levels in PL is extremely high as we know what is clan matter and what is shared govt matter since the govt is composed of all clans.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@SlimFarax we are arguing on the premises garowe land territory hasn't been defined in law nor agreed too by all clans, we have a loop hole in the law to launch our case. We want tribal inheritance lands to be respected. For example my awoowe house isn't standing anymore but the land plot is ours as a family plus it's registered with the govt. We want to register our clan land with the govt as untouchable land by govt. I have provided bah dubays uncles with laws here in australia where traditional aboriginal territories is outside the govt control and in the hands of they're elders to respect the history and significance the land has to the people. Native americans also have reserves of land that is outside the jurisdiction of the american govt. Garowe must make it's land policy clear by stating where does GAROWE START AND END. They cant keep just pushing out into clan territories waryaa using no law to prove all clans signed this. We must zone out garowe, not expand outwards, they need to build high, contain garowe and stop the expansion is the only solution or clans will be furious