Wow I didn't realize puntland blew somaliland out of the water like that. It's kind of funny listening to the recent conversation released by the Hudson institute guys talk about somaliland as the sucess story of the horn
Puntland is surpassing the rest of Somalia.
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Yusuf Abdi Ali Rashid
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Bogdan recorded the first video
Yea that's his name I left that discord though not really tight with him but he was chill.
I hate to be the contrarian here but I found some interesting posts a few years ago that says the opposite. @Idilinaa might want to check it out too.
I don't think its accurate to say any one region blows everyone else out of the water, rather its every region doing well with some like Puntland doing slightly better than the rest.
I think she’s the one who pointed out PL has the highest gdp per capita in all Somaliweyn. On par with Kenya/Ethiopia I think
She pointed out that Puntland has a lower poverty rate than Kenya and Ethiopia despite both countries having bigger GDPs. Quite the astounding feat given Puntland doesn't get any foreign aid and its land is more arid than either countries.I think she’s the one who pointed out PL has the highest gdp per capita in all Somaliweyn. On par with Kenya/Ethiopia I think
Another thing you can clearly see the difference in Puntland for example which has been the most stable region in Somalia, although Puntland is the most arid region in Somalia compared with the NorthWest/Somaliland and Mogadishu it has the lowest poverty rate . Puntland has lower poverty rate than neighboring Ethiopia and Kenya as well, despite those countries generating more wealth annually with higher growing GDP. 70% of the population has access to clean water, electricity, basic services and education.
This is from a 2017 paper, it was at 27% rate then, twice as less than Mogadishu and Somaliland.
Since then the poverty rate has gone lower across the country and you can see it in the expansion of a middle class, so it probably less than that now in 2024.
The most significant finding is that the marginal gap between the rural and urban population.
This is the biggest evidence against what @Bison trying to insinuate about Somalis, there is not a big gap, only with the displaced.
As for GDP per capita, others have pointed out before that Somalia has yet to get a rebase so Puntland's current GDP per capita figure may not be true and is likely much higher. Wouldn't be surprised if it was on par with Ethiopia to be honest.
I'm not gonna lie the kismayo stats shocked me. There doing much better than I would've thought considering their in the heart of alshabab territory.I think she’s the one who pointed out PL has the highest gdp per capita in all Somaliweyn. On par with Kenya/Ethiopia I think
@berberaboy66 @Itsnotthateasy Booweyaal so gala ama boowe naga qari dhaha this one right here a banger
That was just a snippetl, these reports are between 150-200 pages, Please read them and come to your own conclusion. PL has achieved this without the autonomy that SL enjoys while the FGS placed an international aid blockade on PL.
We can go metric for metric in those reports and after Banadir, PL will win the most in a tally. That's besides the fact that PL has a better administration than all other federal member states plus that fact it's always generated more revenue.
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Very impressive and it’s self generated not foreign aid
I'd have to see the budget for banadiir and somaliland to make an accurate estimate. But this seems like an insanely highly difference. Does puntland really have a budget higher than all the other federal member states combined ? Where is this money coming from ? I know it can't be tax since while puntland is somehwat above the others the difference isn't large enough to explain this.
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@berberaboy66 @Itsnotthateasy Booweyaal so gala ama boowe naga qari dhaha this one right here a banger
Why you claim multiple years but only show a report from 2017?
Trying to cheat at the poverty olypmics is new low for Puntland.
I’ve been showing you these same reports ever since I joined, today is the first day you bring this up. How come you’ve never shared any reports even after I asked you?
True we do have a much larger diaspora than you but that’s besides the point
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I’ve been showing you these same reports ever since I joined, today is the first day you bring this up. How come you’ve never shared any reports even after I asked you?
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It’s not about the land but the people PL has very productive people go gettersShe pointed out that Puntland has a lower poverty rate than Kenya and Ethiopia despite both countries having bigger GDPs. Quite the astounding feat given Puntland doesn't get any foreign aid and its land is more arid than either countries.
As for GDP per capita, others have pointed out before that Somalia has yet to get a rebase so Puntland's current GDP per capita figure may not be true and is likely much higher. Wouldn't be surprised if it was on par with Ethiopia to be honest.
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There is a simple explanation, which becomes noticeable when traveling through .So regions and territories. There were two models at the start of reconstruction post nation state collapse:
a) M I Cigaal model, which favoured centralised system where everything ranging from politics to business to development had been concentrated in Hargeysa. This led to once booming cities like Burco and Berbera being almost abandoned, till recently in the case of Berbera. So is evident when traveling from Hargeysa to Caynaba, where there are no sizeable towns, nor rural communities to speak of. Borama is the exception. On the economic front, there are a handful monopolies from goods to fuel to even construction material, which strangles small businesses eliminating competition, thus exuberant prices and cost of living.
b) A Yusuf model, which favoured more decentralised system, dubbed bottom-up state building approach, where power, by design, was to concentrate on the periphery, and away from the centre, particularly in Bosaso and Galkacyo each with influence in politics, business, and development despite Garowe being the seat of state institutions. So is evident in growing cities like Galdogob, Bur Saalax, Burtinle, Qardho, Carmo, Badhan, and recently Garacad have grown considerably, and are centres of rural communities. Same applies to Las Anod and Buhodle, which are now the fastest growing and developing cities in the region. So is also true in cities in S Galbeed inhabited by people of said regions. More the reason the middle class in said regions had grown, and is considerably larger than other regions, hence lower poverty rate. This is not to suggest PL & SSCKH are perfect, for there is room for improvement.
Another factor of consideration is stagnation in SL politics and business where it had reverted backwards in the past 10 years with other regions fastly making discernible progress.
Sadly JL and SW had adopted the heavily centralised model, where light only burns at night in Kismayo and Baydhaba. GM & HS had been dwarfed by Xamar with their respective human capital and influence in politics and business traded in Bakara market at the expense of the people of said FMSs.
Centralisation breaths death into nascent nation state institutions and embryonic economies, particularly for states in recovery from civil wars.
This shall become more evident in years to come.
a) M I Cigaal model, which favoured centralised system where everything ranging from politics to business to development had been concentrated in Hargeysa. This led to once booming cities like Burco and Berbera being almost abandoned, till recently in the case of Berbera. So is evident when traveling from Hargeysa to Caynaba, where there are no sizeable towns, nor rural communities to speak of. Borama is the exception. On the economic front, there are a handful monopolies from goods to fuel to even construction material, which strangles small businesses eliminating competition, thus exuberant prices and cost of living.
b) A Yusuf model, which favoured more decentralised system, dubbed bottom-up state building approach, where power, by design, was to concentrate on the periphery, and away from the centre, particularly in Bosaso and Galkacyo each with influence in politics, business, and development despite Garowe being the seat of state institutions. So is evident in growing cities like Galdogob, Bur Saalax, Burtinle, Qardho, Carmo, Badhan, and recently Garacad have grown considerably, and are centres of rural communities. Same applies to Las Anod and Buhodle, which are now the fastest growing and developing cities in the region. So is also true in cities in S Galbeed inhabited by people of said regions. More the reason the middle class in said regions had grown, and is considerably larger than other regions, hence lower poverty rate. This is not to suggest PL & SSCKH are perfect, for there is room for improvement.
Another factor of consideration is stagnation in SL politics and business where it had reverted backwards in the past 10 years with other regions fastly making discernible progress.
Sadly JL and SW had adopted the heavily centralised model, where light only burns at night in Kismayo and Baydhaba. GM & HS had been dwarfed by Xamar with their respective human capital and influence in politics and business traded in Bakara market at the expense of the people of said FMSs.
Centralisation breaths death into nascent nation state institutions and embryonic economies, particularly for states in recovery from civil wars.
This shall become more evident in years to come.
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