Puntland Is Independent Not Secessionist

[DR OSMAN]

Puntland is currently Independent according to it's constitution until such time the constitution is FINALIZED. It will only join a Somalia based on federal principles. If this doesn't occur within a suitable time-frame(status quo like now) , the government can declare secession. That is the truth about Puntland. So these PIM guys, relax, we are already Independent and will not join Somalia until the constitution is finalized and ratified and it follows federalism theme. Till then we can operate as freely as we want and not tied down to Mogadishu.

So why are these PIM guys running around for. We will not join a Somalia that is against Puntland or Regional interests. Untill we see a house where the bedrooms(regional states) are stronger and the capital is 'ceromonial' like a living room for 'martiga' wallahi we won't back down from that. It's better investing and building up the bedrooms of a house cause they are 'secured' by the clans who live in those bedrooms. There is ownership there, there isn't a big risk. Mogadishu is the capital and hence there is no ownership so everyone can chimp out as he likes. It makes sense that, don't you think? Yes a shift will happen, Hawiye will end up moving back to 'galmudug, hirshabelle, etc' because those regions will be their new mogadishu but this time, it will actually be OWNED BY THEM. There will be no more 'somali ba wada leh' this time it will be 'galmudug ba leh meeshan' iyo 'hirshabelle ba leh meeshan'. OWNERSHIP by clans who are majority there.

The hawiye cannot provide ownership of Mogadishu due to it's status as CAPITAL, this is the duty of all Somalis and hence not all Somalis are participating in the role of making it a capital, so it becomes a place of no ownership and dangerous when no-one owns a place, you can do what you want to it. Like if I go to your house and no-one owns it and tells me the rules of your house, it will turn into a CESSPOOL.

The capital will be ceremonial and owned by all of us and it's won't be as important anymore to hawiye or darod cause their regions are going to play a bigger role in the nation then the capital. This could lead to us never fighting over that cesspool place again. This is in the interest of all Somalis, federalism works for all, not just for SOME. Eventually, a power shift will happen. People will not care as much for the SFG and run primarily for their 'state government' since Somalis prefer a place where the 'power' is.

This is equal footing for all clans, only a tribalist will say federalism is bad. Because if hamar is given all power, that is tribalism since hamar is one clan majority but not CONTROL WISE. No1 owes hamar sxb, just cuz hawiye is majority, doesn't mean they OWN IT or set the rules for it. A tribalist will want one city bein the power, a somali wadani wants all regions being the power EQUALLY as state government. No clan loses in federalism but 99% of all clans lose in CENTRALISM

 

[DR OSMAN]

That's all I have to say to Hawiye. 99% of clans win in Federalism INCLUDING HAWIYE, yet 99% of clans lose in centralism since it only 1 city is given the power. You do the maths on that. Federalism will result in 99% of clans satisfied cuz they all have regional power right in their home-lands where they FEEL SAFE and most happiest. Where-as centralism only one city wins MOGADISHU and the rest of the tribes in Somalia lose. So we can't allow 1 city to dictate the well being of 99% of the clans in the nation. Even that 1 city we wan't to make it 'ceremonial' place and give it a 'status' and role to play in the nation. It's the fairest system I have seen in all Somalia. Not 1 clan wins here, all do.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Take the Carmo Police College that is for Somalia police academy. The Centralist goons can't even manage that, see that's what's going to happen if you put your state under their control, it will turn out to be like Carmo Police College, weakened, de funded, prone to safety problems, no development, etc. They will eventually try to de-populate your region through economic redirection into mogadishu and make them all come to mogadishu like they did in the 60's. I fathom to think you are an idiot if you put your 'state well being' like government, economy, ports, airports, security force under the SFG. You will turn out like how CARMO college did, they will just economically 'embargo' you and force you to comply to them. FREE GALMUDUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Say no to centralist qabilist goons. SAY f*ck NO. Remind centralist qabiilist goons, federalism represents the will of 99% of Somali clans, Centralism only represents the will of one CITY. So who is the qabiilist here? Federalist or Centralist? you decide. I want to see real hardcore debate with the finest federalist promoting this brilliant yet unifying policy to all these old school centralists.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Federal states are brothers in arms against a centralist thug who wants to benefit one city at the expense of 99% of the clans in the nation. A city that has no ownership and no Somali feels safe in. Every Somali feels safe in his HOME REGION, love it or lump it. Empower the state. Rise GALMUDUG.

An attack on a federal state is an attack on all. We shouldn't let the centralist take advantage of our tribal difference, we the federal states are united on our vision of Somalia. Let's not kid ourselves. Let's fight over our tribal issues when the centralist is gone, but till that son of a is around. We must remain strong allies as federal states who wants to destroy the nation well being for his hamar only agenda.

Farmajo is playing hassan sheikh siyasad. Trying to make Federal regions fight and forget none of their interest is to under hamar at all. Farmaajo ha jojjiyo weerarka uu ku yahay federalka. Cawe Puntland iyo Jubbaland haka hadleen weerarka lagu yahay galmudug iyo arimaheeda. If a state is attacked, tommorow your NEXT waryaa.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I as a Puntlander volunteer to Defend Galmudug to keep it's regional autonomy and independence and not have the centralist interfere in their regional affairs. Gurigooda ma aha.

I will go fight with my heart and soul to defend this wonderful system like Americans defend their constitution. It's not about 'states or qabil' the constitution, it's the interest of 99% of Somali clans outside the capital.

May you wish me success as I enter Galmudug and I hope the fighting doesn't become fierce and heated as those clans can be quite barbaric cuz our ina adeer keenadiid went over there to do a somali movement and it was brutal. I might end up like this but count me as a warrior for federalism, remember like those warriors of keenadiid who came to free galmudug from zanzibar. This time from mogadishu centralists.

But if I do, Count DR OSMAN AS A WARRIOR FOR FEDERALISM AND TEACH MY KIDS IM A HERO WHO WAS DEFENDING THE STABILITY OF OUR NATION FROM CENTRALIST THUGS

 

[DR OSMAN]

We MJ's always teaching Somalis what is good for them. Keenadiid said 'war ka soo hara zanzibarka' koonfurta gumaysto. This time we are telling them war ka soo hara wiilkas hamar joggo waa chaotic meeshu ma jire mamul iyo ma jiro qof la hubsan karo inu meesha lee yahay ileen wa casimad. Go ahead adigu is mamul oo xor noqo. It's all about XORNIMO for puntlanders. All our movements.

Puntland are FIERCE FREEDOM FIGHTERS, I give them that.

 

[Mr.Haggis]

You need to get paid for writing/typing!

 

[yas/London]

 

[Geeljire Sandheer]

You seem mentally unstable upti

 

[Lex Luther]

@DR OSMAN
Bro I would give you likes if I could, as i admire the hope you have for a prosperous Somalia where everyone wins and none takes L, as they say Somalia is big enough for all of us times 100 more.


We all wish inshallahi that Somalia will resemblance that of Switzerland or even Germany an ideal place where we all live together and work together for the good of the society and nation, I just hope we can find a way to unite in our defence and economy department before our neighbours ever dream of swallowing us as their backyard dump.

I hope a real reconciliation occurs among us Somalis where we can forgive each other and also promise to no longer stab each other in the back for shisheeye to gain cheap score, Somalia iyo Somaalida haa noolato.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@DR OSMAN
Bro I would give you likes if I could, as i admire the hope you have for a prosperous Somalia where everyone wins and none takes L, as they say Somalia is big enough for all of us times 100 more.


We all wish inshallahi that Somalia will resemblance that of Switzerland or even Germany an ideal place where we all live together and work together for the good of the society and nation, I just hope we can find a way to unite in our defence and economy department before our neighbours ever dream of swallowing us as their backyard dump.

I hope a real reconciliation occurs among us Somalis where we can forgive each other and also promise to no longer stab each other in the back for shisheeye to gain cheap score, Somalia iyo Somaalida haa noolato.

Bro Mogadishu was told they will still play a role in Somalia, their 'status' isn't still decided by the regions how they see the capital. But it will still have the SFG and departments there, it will look more like Washington DC, a place where they deal with ambassadors, leaders, host summits, etc, manage the defence of the nation was EVEN given to them. Just leave the states to do their own development, investment, resource sharing, education, health, and stuff like that. It's not much to ask I don't think, only a rogue spoiler would refuse such a deal.

I mean look at Carmo Police Academy, that's a federal institution and they don't even fund it and has become derilict sxb, you see why we will never give them control of our state or it's interests. A boy in Hamar will play us like his playing galmudug with strings. The only strings they had in PL was the Carmo academy. But in your state they have a-lot more strings to pull on to cause division and bring you back under their control. U handed so many functions over to them and now suffering the consequences.

I stand by the motto the regions know what's best for their regions, not mogadishu nor do they even need to get involved in the regions, it's not their DUTY. Their duty is defined. Foreign affairs, Defence, Currency, and I think one other task their allowed to do. That is enough for them wallahi. The rest is the regions responsibility, no interference from federal government.

 

[yas/London]

You seem mentally unstable upti

Upton Park Tomorrow!!
You want to meet your Eddo..

 

[DR OSMAN]

@DR OSMAN
Bro I would give you likes if I could, as i admire the hope you have for a prosperous Somalia where everyone wins and none takes L, as they say Somalia is big enough for all of us times 100 more.


We all wish inshallahi that Somalia will resemblance that of Switzerland or even Germany an ideal place where we all live together and work together for the good of the society and nation, I just hope we can find a way to unite in our defence and economy department before our neighbours ever dream of swallowing us as their backyard dump.

I hope a real reconciliation occurs among us Somalis where we can forgive each other and also promise to no longer stab each other in the back for shisheeye to gain cheap score, Somalia iyo Somaalida haa noolato.

Yeah Somalis will be so united under federalism, like americans run to defend his fellow american. For example if I see Galmudug being attacked by centralist tyranny, I as a majerten will come running to save galmudug because federalism is somali wide policy, if your harmed, I am next tommorow. U see how it bridges our differences. I am protecting you cause we are in the SAME BOAT as regions. If your not happy, I won't be happy tommorow either cause the tyrants will come for me last.

If federal regions fight and we have good federal government that isn't centralist, he will come and save the regions from killing themselves. It's perfect system wallahi, like I said who-ever brought it should be commended for his somalinimo. The system complements itself. Region to Region war will be settled by Federal govt. Region to federal war will be settled by REGIONS as they unite to defend their shared interest. It's a unifying policy.

 

[Lex Luther]

Yeah Somalis will be so united under federalism, like americans run to defend his fellow american. For example if I see Galmudug being attacked by centralist tyranny, I as a majerten will come running to save galmudug because federalism is somali wide policy, if your harmed, I am next tommorow. U see how it bridges our differences. I am protecting you cause we are in the SAME BOAT as regions. If your not happy, I won't be happy tommorow either cause the tyrants will come for me last.

If federal regions fight and we have good federal government that isn't centralist, he will come and save the regions from killing themselves. It's perfect system wallahi.

Well said brother Dr Osman

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Lex Luther heck even Somaliland has found out FEDERALISM is the best system for them. Especially the 'eastern isaaqs'. They can't trust a 'centralized' Somaliland, their having the same issues with it. Where-as in federalism, they get a nice 'blanket' of protection from tyranny like all the other regions do. If they fight inside, the regions can help them settle it. If the mogadishu centralist fight them, all the regions will stand up and defend somaliland since its a federal state. If region to region wars happen and we have good federal govt, they will save us from ourselves.

Federalism is winning the hearts of all Somalis cause they KNOW IT'S FAIR deep down. I cannot see anyone refuse federalism hadusan 'qabyalad' ka buuxin and habar awal is full on qabyalad sxb. Qabyalad wax laguma dhisi kare, their fools also like mogadishu centralist. Notice it's always the 'two big cities' in Somalia that are so KEEN ON CENTRALISM. I noticed the capitals of Somalia in hargeisa and mogadishu they prefer the old colonial method, keep the regions down, keep hargeisa/mogadishu strong. Even their waqoyi/koonfur shit stinks of centralism with hargeisa and mogadishu strong and everyone else DULI.

The way I describe it. Its 2 city state tyranny imposed on the rest of the nation outside those two cities. Nonsense, you can't build a nation from 2 cities. The engine of the state is in the region. Look at america. most of it's taxes come from regions.

Somaliland want's a similar system to Canada. Montreal capital, Toronto Capital. We ain't fools bruv. They want to keep all the hartis/eastern isaaq dulis under their NEW MONTREAL called Hargeisa while Hamar keeps their TORONTO and keeps us all in the regions DULI.

We reject Habar awal canadian model of french/british canada. Two governments who are EQUAL. While the regions in those states are duli and controlled. HABAR AWAL AND FILTHY ABGAALS.

Habar awal tricked HJ to join Jeegaan but he loses also, his in the regions lol. He will be MARTI at all times lol. He left now I heard im not sure so im dropping jeegaan name. But Abgaal use HG as jeegaan also to fool them on this shit so they can keep u MARTI in hamar.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The doctor is raging about these tyrants who are holding us back and not accepting all clans win. Heck even their capitals will be given a STATUS we agree on. They don't like that the HABAR AWAL AND ABGAAL THEY LOSE ALL THE POWER FOR SACAD MUSE AND ABGAAL.

 

[Geeljire Sandheer]

Upton Park Tomorrow!!
You want to meet your Eddo..

3 o'clock Pull up Upton lane edo

 

[SilentE1001]

Somaliland is turning probably federal within itself, to counter SM or any clan dominance where every region manages itself as part of Somaliland.

We witnessed the staining point of this when the Laascaanood mayor taarwaale held a meeting with all the SL Dhulbahante mayor's in Sool and to set up a computer to joint govern (make Laascaanood the centre) as LA recently reached the 1 billion shilling mark so is on a spending spree to develop the city.

This will be replicated in all other state capitals

 

[SomaliWadaniSoldier]

You seem mentally unstable upti

 

[yas/London]

3 o'clock Pull up Upton lane edo

Canning Town station