PunJubi Only Topic - Mogadishu Federal Status Debate

[DR OSMAN]

I only seek Puntites or jubaland residents opinions on this topic as we don't have a conflict of interest in this 'debacle' and will discuss the federal realities facing Mogadishu.

Should Mogadishu be represented in parliament and senate or should it be excluded?

The Pro Banadir arguments for states and district rights is.

1. They pay taxes
2. They have a 2 million population

The arguments against Banadir representation.

1. It's the capital and belong to all Somalis and therefore cannot take on a 'political, tribal, state' character

The current structure of the SFG is 'tribal 4.5 lower house' and 'regional state chamber'. If Hags want mogadishu to enjoy lower house representation, it will only come out of they're 4.5 portion not other clans. The 'upper house' is for 'regional governments only' which Mogadishu isn't.

In the event we adopt a 'district power-sharing lower house' 1 man 1 vote, Mogadishu will only get '3 mps' becuz it will be treated as a 'district' like other districts in the nation. Since Banadir isn't a 'legal' state, they're is no legality to give them 3 mps each over 16 'districts' as per 91 borders.

The other solution is to change Mogadishu legal status from 'state' to 'territory or district' and allocate it 'territory or district rights' which will be 'lot' less quota then regional states and less powers.

According to the U.S. Constitution, only states may be represented in the Congress of the United States. The District of Columbia is not a U.S. state and therefore has no voting representation. Instead, constituents in the district elect a non-voting delegate to the U.S. House of Representatives

According to Australia 'regional states' enjoy 12 senators while 'territories' enjoy only 2 senators. No matter which 'federal' system u look at the 'capital' must not have a political/tribal/state character and has to be 'unique' and different to the rest of the country's districts and states in terms of power-sharing.

The other question is if we agree on Mogadishu 'status' within our federal union, who will get their 'representation' will it be evenly split across the 'tribes 4.5 style' so it has a national character? or should we just take the D.C model and 'exclude' it from politics. I opt to exclude mogadishu so it doesn't lose it's capital character.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Anyways, I gave my opinion on Mogadishu. I prefer the town completely 'opt' out of political representation,, tribe, and anything that may 'stain' they're capital role.

But I will accept any 'verdict' reached by 'all somalis' since the capital is all 'ours' technically, any rights mogadishu get will need to come from us not 'hawiyenimo'.

If hawiye 'dare' make any moves regarding the capital, we have a right to 'vacate' this 'qabiil ridden town' and relocate the federal government.

 

[InaShaqalle]

Well if Bosaso became Somalia's national capital city would you call for Bosaso to no longer be part of PL state? Banadir must be part of a federal member state and therefore have representation in the federal Senate. Either Banadir forms a new state with Lower Shabelle (my preference) or it joins Hiirshabelle

 

[DR OSMAN]

Well if Bosaso became Somalia's national capital city would you call for Bosaso to no longer be part of PL state? Banadir must be part of a federal member state and therefore have representation in the federal Senate. Either Banadir forms a new state with Lower Shabelle (my preference) or it joins Hiirshabelle

Please your conflict 'ridden', this is a topic for all Somalis since it's all our CAPITAL. Your say is irrelevant as a local due to conflict of interest. I want to hear from non conflict ridden Somalis.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@InaShaqalle caqli unaka leh wa ti 30 sano burbur keenay. Mogadishu status will be decided by Somalis as a whole not HSM or any Hawiye. In any federal structure, the capital has be neutral place not a 'state' or a 'party' or 'tribe'. These federal laws must be followed and an agreement will be reached among SOMALIS, wat solution is best within federal legalities.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The lower house chamber of Somali districts ayaan ka hadlaya anigu under 1 man 1 vote system. Senate maba soo gali karo 'banadir' since it's not a 'federal state'. Since Hamar is not a 'state' it will be allocated maximum same quota as other districts, waba 'hadi' loo fasaxo inay representation yeeshtan. And if hamar is represented in the lower house, will it be 4.5 shared so it doesn't take on a tribal or political character?

 

[DR OSMAN]

Punjubis let's discuss the capitals within a federal modelled countries.

D.C has no representative in senate and in house of representative they have symbolic representative with no voting power. Even their local mayor and government needs 'federal approval' maybe we should 'disempower' the banadir local government. War these local 'unaka leh' don't know they are already enjoying the maximum 'powers' they can have in a federal union, maybe we shud 'strip' them down to D.C status and say all your decisions must be 'approved' by federal parliament.

 

[Libaax-Joore]

Move the capital to xafuun Let banadir and lower shabelle join to make new federal state Me us native xaafuuniyan I will be more happy to share xaafun with other somalis

 

[MANGO]

Not a punjabi but you can't compare xamar to the fake cities of DC and Canberra. They were created by and for the Federal government therefore it makes sense for the Feds to run and control them. Xamar is literally older than the government.

Better comparison would be the ancient cities of Delhi and Moscow. Both parts of federations and while not States themselves they enjoy all the privileges of statehood and are Constitutionally equal to the states. They are slightly different from the states in that the Feds have more say in them but they still get parliamentary representation

 

[Woke1.4rm.Shibis]

Desperate ppl
Punjubi only kulaha
The title of this thread is wrong in soo many ways . Is like saying amhara and oromo ethnicities can talk about tigray ethnic city mekelle.

 

[bidenkulaha]

Move the capital to xafuun Let banadir and lower shabelle join to make new federal state Me us native xaafuuniyan I will be more happy to share xaafun with other somalis
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Very nice place. But are you willing to house all the politicians and turn your city into a federal zone? Roads will be blocked every week and terrorists will make it a mission to attack it.

 

[bidenkulaha]

We should create Banadir+L.Shabelle state.
Then turn the Mogadishu government area into a federal zone like Washington.

But I’m open to many ideas.

I would like to hear the opposition to this idea. We are going to leave 4.5 behind us anyway and move to 1m1v. And if this is really just about qabiil politics then create a fake SSC state running out of PL territory in Sanaag.

 

[reer]

We should create Banadir+L.Shabelle state.
Then turn the Mogadishu government area into a federal zone like Washington.

But I’m open to many ideas.

I would like to hear the opposition to this idea. We are going to leave 4.5 behind us anyway and move to 1m1v. And if this is really just about qabiil politics then create a fake SSC state running out of PL territory in Sanaag.

whether or not 1m1v is inplemented 4.5 will never leave. it might leave in name but it will stay on paper. because every qabiil will throw a tantrum if there is a lack of positions.

 

[bidenkulaha]

whether or not 1m1v is inplemented 4.5 will never leave. it might leave in name but it will stay on paper. because every qabiil will throw a tantrum if there is a lack of positions.

Unfortunately yes. But I’m referring to senate distribution and parliament which is why most people worry about new states forming.

States should lose 4.5 representation seats and instead be allocated seats based on population. Same with districts. That way if certain qabiil has 5 states it wouldn’t matter.

If you’re land is large but only has 100,000 poeple you shouldn’t get the same amount of seats as 400,000 population in smaller lands.

Similar with qabiil, if your ‘qabiil’ controls a districts/regions/states shouldn’t be given seats. Instead an election should decide the representation from each district in which anyone can run as long as their political party isn’t a threat to Somalia’s sovereignty.

What I’m saying isn’t even rocket science. It’s how most countries functions, we all know this. We have retards like @DR OSMAN who doesn’t understand census’ and population allocated districts. They’ve argued a PL district of 10,000 people should have same voting representation as Mogadishu 2 million people.

 

[Yusuf M]

@DR OSMAN
Best option is to dissolve Somalia like Yugoslavia. We all need to go our separate ways. I have no hope for Somalia regardless of who the president is. I have held this belief for years. In another 30 years Somalia will still be where it is today. Time to kill this failed colonial project.

 

[World]

I only seek Puntites or jubaland residents opinions on this topic as we don't have a conflict of interest in this 'debacle' and will discuss the federal realities facing Mogadishu.

Should Mogadishu be represented in parliament and senate or should it be excluded?

The Pro Banadir arguments for states and district rights is.

1. They pay taxes
2. They have a 2 million population

The arguments against Banadir representation.

1. It's the capital and belong to all Somalis and therefore cannot take on a 'political, tribal, state' character

The current structure of the SFG is 'tribal 4.5 lower house' and 'regional state chamber'. If Hags want mogadishu to enjoy lower house representation, it will only come out of they're 4.5 portion not other clans. The 'upper house' is for 'regional governments only' which Mogadishu isn't.

In the event we adopt a 'district power-sharing lower house' 1 man 1 vote, Mogadishu will only get '3 mps' becuz it will be treated as a 'district' like other districts in the nation. Since Banadir isn't a 'legal' state, they're is no legality to give them 3 mps each over 16 'districts' as per 91 borders.

The other solution is to change Mogadishu legal status from 'state' to 'territory or district' and allocate it 'territory or district rights' which will be 'lot' less quota then regional states and less powers.

According to the U.S. Constitution, only states may be represented in the Congress of the United States. The District of Columbia is not a U.S. state and therefore has no voting representation. Instead, constituents in the district elect a non-voting delegate to the U.S. House of Representatives

According to Australia 'regional states' enjoy 12 senators while 'territories' enjoy only 2 senators. No matter which 'federal' system u look at the 'capital' must not have a political/tribal/state character and has to be 'unique' and different to the rest of the country's districts and states in terms of power-sharing.

The other question is if we agree on Mogadishu 'status' within our federal union, who will get their 'representation' will it be evenly split across the 'tribes 4.5 style' so it has a national character? or should we just take the D.C model and 'exclude' it from politics. I opt to exclude mogadishu so it doesn't lose it's capital character.

If mogadishu wants representation, then galmudug and hiirshabelle will get less representation.

 

[bidenkulaha]

If mogadishu wants representation, then galmudug and hiirshabelle will get less representation.

You should welcome Banadir state. It’s only way you have can bargain for a state to equalise Hawiye states

 

[World]

You should welcome Banadir state. It’s only way you have can bargain for a state to equalise Hawiye states

I don’t want a state

 

[bidenkulaha]

I don’t want a state

Then you’ll be colonised by SL forever. Good luck on your own. And when FGS+SL have talks you’ll never even be at the seat

 

[World]

Then you’ll be colonised by SL forever. Good luck on your own. And when FGS+SL have talks you’ll never even be at the seat

As long as no benadir state I don’t mind