Proto-East Cushitic: Not Aliens just Pastoralists.

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Pre-Somali (~3500 BP / c. 1500 BCE)Here is a interesting break down within

    • Omo-Baḋ: Arbore, Dasanech, Elmolo
    • Proto-Somali (emerging branch)
  • Proto-Somali (~3000 BP / c. 1000 BCE)
    • Bali group: Bayso, Jiido, Gariirre, Dabarre
    • Somali II
  • Somali II (~2500 BP / c. 500 BCE)
    • Rendille
    • Somali III
  • Somali III (~2000 BP / c. 0 CE)
    • Ganane-Tana: Madalle, Aweer, Saakuye, Garre
    • Somali IV
  • Somali IV (~1500 BP / c. 500 CE)
    • Central Somali (May / Maay)
    • Northern/Standard Somali (Maxaa)
Here breakdown of different splits between Sam languages. Personally don;t like calling it Omo–Tana since that's not where language originated from, most likely around Djibouti and Northern Somalia are my best guess.


One popular view is that it began in the Ethiopian Highlands or the Rift Valley. The reasoning here is pretty straightforward: a lot of Highland East Cushitic languages, like Sidamo, Hadiyya, and Burji, are still spoken in Ethiopia today, and the archaeology of the region shows a long history of pastoralism, which fits well with what we know about early Cushitic speakers.

Another idea points to the Red Sea Hills, along the Eritrea–Sudan corridor. Supporters of this theory note that Afroasiatic languages like Egyptian, Beja, Cushitic, and Semitic are all clustered around the Red Sea. On top of that, Ancient Egyptian vocabulary shares some cognates with Cushitic, which suggests old contact. And since Beja, a North Cushitic language, is still spoken in the Red Sea Hills, some think this area could be close to where Cushitic first branched out.


Then there’s the middle ground. According to this view, Proto-Cushitic as a whole spread from the Red Sea Hills or Eritrean coast about 7,000 years ago. Later, around 5,000 years ago, Proto-East Cushitic took shape as groups moved further south into the Horn of Africa.
 
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"With this, some scholars argue that the Omo-Tana hypothesis rests on shaky ground and should be treated with caution. In 1976, Ali Hersi argued that the Somalis were present in the Horn of Africa as early as the third millennium BCE. Although M. N. Ali initially built his thesis around the Omo-Tana hypothesis, he ultimately rejected the idea of a substratum in the Peninsula. He also acknowledged that oral tradition must be taken into account when reconstructing Somali history.


Professor Raphael Njoko has more recently questioned the validity of the Omo-Tana theory. He notes that the hypothesis cannot be accepted uncritically. Cave paintings in northern Somalia, dating back to 9000 BCE, together with studies of ancient pyramids, ruined cities, and stone walls, confirm that an advanced civilization flourished in the region since the late Paleolithic. Moreover, the existence of the ancient Kingdom of Punt within Somali borders reinforces this conclusion. These departures highlight the large gap between the Omo-Tana model of southern origins and the actual historical record of Somali society."


Shortcomings of the Omo-Tana Hypothesis​


1. The least-move principle.
The “least-move principle” does not apply universally to human migrations. For example, the Semitic peoples are often said to have originated in northern Arabia, yet most Semitic languages developed in Iraq, the Levant, and southeastern Arabia. The same pattern appears in the Somali Peninsula. In the south, the inter-riverine region hosted not only historical southerners but also members of major northern clans such as Hawiye, Darood, Dir, and Isaaq. However, only communities like the Mirifle, Ayle, some Digil, and a few marginalized northern groups can claim the region as their true homeland. In the west, the Jigjiga–Harar area brought together many communities, including Darood, Dir, Isaaq, Shekhaal, and Hawiye. These groups lived there from the pre-Islamic period through the Middle Ages. Yet the Daarood, Dir, and Isaaq trace their ancestral burials to Sanaag between 600–1100 CE. Such patterns of distribution contradict the least-move principle. It is therefore unsuitable for locating the origins of Somali communities in either the Jigjiga–Harar or inter-riverine regions.


2. Linguistic confusion.
Linguistic studies do not provide clear evidence for whether Somali presence in the south predates that in the north. C. Ehret has suggested that a Lowland East Cushitic population gradually occupied the Horn, from the tip of Somalia to the Harar–Bali highlands, between 5000–2000 BP. Yet this overlaps with the proposed dispersal of East Cushitic groups from the Omo–Tana–Ganane area. The two views contradict one another. Moreover, the linguistic record reveals unresolved complexities. For instance, Macro-Somali experienced at least five stages of internal separation, whereas Oromo–Konso and Afar–Saho only split once. Population size and distribution likely explain this difference. Among Macro-Somali, three stages of phoneme loss occurred:


  • First, the dentals đ and ṣ disappeared.
  • Second, other sounds such as th, ẓ, z, ṭ, and ḋ were altered or removed, though traces survive in dialects today.
  • Third, emphatics like ḥ, ‘a, and q were lost in the southern varieties but retained in northern Somali.

Additionally, five Somali dialect areas are particularly close to Rendille, with Bari providing especially strong evidence. Shared words, such as Cal/‘Al (“lofty mountain”), preserved by Bari, Rendille, and Elmolo, suggest a northern rather than southern connection for Rendille.


3. Lack of migration evidence.
If the Omo-Tana model were correct, one would expect physical or cultural remnants of the supposed migrants in the south. Yet there are none. Historical migrations within Somalia usually left traces: the Jiida left relatives in Bali, the Dabarre in Ganane, and the Tunni in Lower Tana. Similarly, the Garre maintained kin west of Kenya–Ethiopia, and the Geledi preserved links to the Harar region. By contrast, the Omo-Tana hypothesis provides no evidence of such remnants, only claims of offshoots. It is therefore difficult to imagine that large clans such as Mirifle, Samaale, and Jabarti (Daarood) could have migrated northward without leaving any trace in the south.


4. Contradiction with historical records.
Greco-Roman sources and archaeological findings indicate the existence of an organized society along the Somali coast from at least 800 BCE to 200 CE. Towns recorded by Greco-Roman authors—Avalites, Mundu, Gaza, Pano, and Opone—correspond to present-day Awdal, Xiis, Gawa, Bina, and Hafun. The names themselves, and even terms like mokhar (frankincense), are Somali in origin. Yet proponents of the Omo-Tana theory suggest that, between 600–1100 CE, northerners migrated from the Shabelle Valley to the Red Sea coast, displacing an earlier civilization. This claim is contradicted by archaeology, by Muslim historians of the 9th–15th centuries, and by Somali traditions. Evidence shows continuous northern Somali development, with major social, economic, and political achievements from the 8th to 14th centuries.


Somali tradition also preserves memory of the Tiirri, a powerful pre-Islamic community known as the “people of pillars.” The numerous cairns (Taallo-Tiirriyaat) in the north are attributed to them. The Tiirri later declined as northern Somali groups expanded.


5. Absence of motive for migration.
Finally, the Omo-Tana hypothesis does not explain why large Somali populations would abandon fertile southern lands for the harsher northern environment. Today, nearly two-thirds of Somalis speak the northern dialect, yet the theory suggests their ancestors left the Shabelle region without any economic or political reason. This failure to account for historical realities undermines the credibility of the hypothesis.
 

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Pre-Somali (~3500 BP / c. 1500 BCE)Here is a interesting break down within

    • Omo-Baḋ: Arbore, Dasanech, Elmolo
    • Proto-Somali (emerging branch)
  • Proto-Somali (~3000 BP / c. 1000 BCE)
    • Bali group: Bayso, Jiido, Gariirre, Dabarre
    • Somali II
  • Somali II (~2500 BP / c. 500 BCE)
    • Rendille
    • Somali III
  • Somali III (~2000 BP / c. 0 CE)
    • Ganane-Tana: Madalle, Aweer, Saakuye, Garre
    • Somali IV
  • Somali IV (~1500 BP / c. 500 CE)
    • Central Somali (May / Maay)
    • Northern/Standard Somali (Maxaa)
Here breakdown of different splits between Sam languages. Personally don;t like calling it Omo–Tana since that's not where language originated from, most likely around Djibouti and Northern Somalia are my best guess.

Somali
  • Water = biyo
  • Stone = dhagax
  • hair=timo

  • Af Maay (Maay Maay, Southern Somali)
    • Water = biya / beey
    • Stone = dhagar (variant of dhagax)
    • Hair = timo
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  • Rendille (Northern Cushitic, Kenya)
    • Water = biyó (like Somali biyo, Afar biyó)
    • Stone = dhagá (same Cushitic root as Somali dhagax, Oromo dhagaa)
    • Hair = tím (matches Somali timo, Afar tími, Iraqw tim)
  • Bayso (spoken near Lake Abaya, Ethiopia)

    • Water = biyo
    • Stone = dagá
    • Hair = tíma

    • Jiiddu / Jiido (South Somalia)
    • Water = biyo
    • Stone = dhagá
    • Hair = tíma



    • Garre / Gariirre (Somalia, Kenya, Ethiopia)
    • Water = biyo
    • Stone = dhagá
    • Hair = tíma


    • Dabarre (Somalia, part of Digil-Mirifle cluster)
    • Water = biyo
    • Stone = dhagá
    • Hair = tím
  • Arbore (South Cushitic, Ethiopia)
    • Water = máay
    • Stone = daxá
    • Hair = tím
  • Daasanach / Dasenech (East Cushitic, Ethiopia/Kenya)
    • Water = mil / maay
    • Stone = dagá
    • Hair = tím
  • El Molo (East Cushitic, Kenya, extinct/nearly extinct)
    • Water = maay
    • Stone = dagá
    • Hair = tím



Somali
  • Water = biyo
  • Stone = dhagax
  • hair=timo
Oromo
  • Water = bishaan
  • Stone = dhagaa
  • hair=hudhaa / qumbi

Afar(Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia)
  • Water = biyo or biyó
  • Stone = dagá
  • hair=tími
Beja(Sudan, Egypt)
  • Water = bi
  • Stone = dag
  • hair=tum
Iraqw (South Cushitic)
  • Water = maay
  • Stone = dhaxay (close to Somali dhagax, Oromo dhagaa)
  • Hair = tim (close to Somali timo, Afar tími, Beja tum)
One popular view is that it began in the Ethiopian Highlands or the Rift Valley. The reasoning here is pretty straightforward: a lot of Highland East Cushitic languages, like Sidamo, Hadiyya, and Burji, are still spoken in Ethiopia today, and the archaeology of the region shows a long history of pastoralism, which fits well with what we know about early Cushitic speakers.

Another idea points to the Red Sea Hills, along the Eritrea–Sudan corridor. Supporters of this theory note that Afroasiatic languages like Egyptian, Beja, Cushitic, and Semitic are all clustered around the Red Sea. On top of that, Ancient Egyptian vocabulary shares some cognates with Cushitic, which suggests old contact. And since Beja, a North Cushitic language, is still spoken in the Red Sea Hills, some think this area could be close to where Cushitic first branched out.


Then there’s the middle ground. According to this view, Proto-Cushitic as a whole spread from the Red Sea Hills or Eritrean coast about 7,000 years ago. Later, around 5,000 years ago, Proto-East Cushitic took shape as groups moved further south into the Horn of Africa.
Chat GPT is in full bullshit mode on this 😭.
All the Afar words it gave here are wrong. It’s as if it created alternative Somali words because it knows both languages belong to the same family. I guess most of the others are wrong as well.
 

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Chat GPT is in full bullshit mode on this 😭.
All the Afar words it gave here are wrong. It’s as if it created alternative Somali words because it knows both languages belong to the same family. I guess most of the others are wrong as well.
Really? goddamn! I'll keep this up and do a manual revision, I'll need to build my own custom chatgpt, it's useful but limited... unless you feed it the right data.

edited removed it, and will do manual check.
 
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Proto-East Cushitic is way too broad for Somali. There are a ton of other languages who’ve little to do with Somali. I’d suggest focus on Proto-Low-East Cushitic
 
Honestly ive been thinking the omo-tana classification is incredibly shaky. Most of these groups are only a few thousand people and are located extremely far away.
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Even the rendille border the borena who have lived in their original homeland for who knows how many millenia. It just seems incredibly weird how these tiny niche groups are more lingustically simialr than groups who lived by somalis for millenia like the afar and oromo. I suspect some of these groups are just descended from maybe proto somali traders who moved elsewhere.
 
Honestly ive been thinking the omo-tana classification is incredibly shaky. Most of these groups are only a few thousand people and are located extremely far away.
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Even the rendille border the borena who have lived in their original homeland for who knows how many millenia. It just seems incredibly weird how these tiny niche groups are more lingustically simialr than groups who lived by somalis for millenia like the afar and oromo. I suspect some of these groups are just descended from maybe proto somali traders who moved elsewhere.
Not really mate. Rendille have same South Arabian camel loan words as Somalis and similar camel branding as Garres etc. Shidaad also showed they certain terminology like cal for high peaks/mountains which can only mean a migration from north similar to Somalis. Oromo migrations changed the whole landscape of east Cushitic languages in the Horn. The Borana migrated from Ethiopia to border Rendilles. Those groups like Elmolo, Dasanech are definitely closer to Somali language than Afar.

Fleming was the first nothing to notice how oromos migrations impacted other east Cushitic languages:

 
Proto-East-Cushitic was spoken in the Atbara region or maybe even the Middle Nile but it's super old. We have Lowland East Cushitic names in Egyptian records from their territorial peripheries (associated with Medjay iirc) from 2000BC - before cattle pastoralism reached the Horn outside of the Gash Delta.
 
Not really mate. Rendille have same South Arabian camel loan words as Somalis and similar camel branding as Garres etc. Shidaad also showed they certain terminology like cal for high peaks/mountains which can only mean a migration from north similar to Somalis.
The assumption behind this is that somalis imported camels instead of being the ones who domesticated them. Which the more I've thought about it the more ridculous an assumption it is. Most of the people living in southern arabian live in the mountainous regions and even today import livestock from somalia. The idea that southern Arabians who are mainly mountainous agrarian farmers domesticated camels instead of pastoralists like somalis seems absurd when you think about it.
 

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The assumption behind this is that somalis imported camels instead of being the ones who domesticated them. Which the more I've thought about it the more ridculous an assumption it is. Most of the people living in southern arabian live in the mountainous regions and even today import livestock from somalia. The idea that southern Arabians who are mainly mountainous agrarian farmers domesticated camels instead of pastoralists like somalis seems absurd when you think about it.
There is huge rock relief in sakaka, northern Saudi Arabia, features a series of 8,000-year-old, life-sized camel reliefs carved into sandstone rock spurs, representing the world's oldest known large-scale animal reliefs.
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There is huge rock relief in sakaka, northern Saudi Arabia, features a series of 8,000-year-old, life-sized camel reliefs carved into sandstone rock spurs, representing the world's oldest known large-scale animal reliefs.View attachment 373738
Thats about 6 thosuand b.c right? I have my own theories about those people.

but camel domestication is linked to southern Arabia not the north. Besides I think thr fact that somalis were exporting grain and livestock to southern arabia even before the arrival of Europeans is i think the most telling. Since it would explain how camels got from somalia to Arabia and it would fit the common historic pattern of somalis exporting crops like khat,coffee and incense to Arabia and then Arabs beginning to grow those crops.
 

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The assumption behind this is that somalis imported camels instead of being the ones who domesticated them. Which the more I've thought about it the more ridculous an assumption it is. Most of the people living in southern arabian live in the mountainous regions and even today import livestock from somalia. The idea that southern Arabians who are mainly mountainous agrarian farmers domesticated camels instead of pastoralists like somalis seems absurd when you think about it.
"In agreement with archaeological findings, we identify wild dromedaries from the southeast Arabian Peninsula among the founders of the domestic dromedary gene pool."

Eastern African dromedaries were genetically different from the very homogenous Northern and West African ones, showing us that they were most likely introduced at different times to the continent.
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Among Horn of Africa and broader East African camel pastoralist groups, camels are primarily used for food production (milk) rather than for transport like in Northern Africa and Northern Arabia/Mesopotamia.

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"In agreement with archaeological findings, we identify wild dromedaries from the southeast Arabian Peninsula among the founders of the domestic dromedary gene pool."

Eastern African dromedaries were genetically different from the very homogenous Northern and West African ones, showing us that they were most likely introduced at different times to the continent.
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That could actually be proof that camels were introduced through Arabs into west africa and north africa at a later date after Arabs had adopted them from the somali peninsula. Since just like the article said their are barriers to intercontinental transportation.

There is also no getting around the simple fact that it makes a 1000× more sense that a pouplation of pastoralists who spend their entire life around large herds of animals would be the ones to domesticate an animal.

If you look at the domestication of the horse it was done by the Yamamya who were the proto indooeuropeana and they lived on the steppe and had been using horses as a food supply .
 

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That could actually be proof that camels were introduced through Arabs into west africa and north africa at a later date after Arabs had adopted them from the somali peninsula. Since just like the article said their are barriers to intercontinental transportation.

There is also no getting around the simple fact that it makes a 1000× more sense that a pouplation of pastoralists who spend their entire life around large herds of animals would be the ones to domesticate an animal.

If you look at the domestication of the horse it was done by the Yamamya who were the proto indooeuropeana and they lived on the steppe and had been using horses as a food supply .
A shit ton of the camel husbandry lexicon we have is actually of Semitic origin. You can’t just dismiss academic work because it clashes with your own reflections, or vibes, should I say.
 
A shit ton of the camel husbandry lexicon we have is actually of Semitic origin. You can’t just dismiss academic work because it clashes with your own reflections, or vibes, should I say.
No im not dismissing it based on "vibes" . Also what exactly is this evidence for a purely "semetic lexicon" your talking about? Its all based on the assumption that camels were domesticated in Arabia.
 
The assumption behind this is that somalis imported camels instead of being the ones who domesticated them. Which the more I've thought about it the more ridculous an assumption it is. Most of the people living in southern arabian live in the mountainous regions and even today import livestock from somalia. The idea that southern Arabians who are mainly mountainous agrarian farmers domesticated camels instead of pastoralists like somalis seems absurd when you think about it.
not sure where you going with this. You really think Somalis are linguistically to Borana/afar than Rendille?
 

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