Productive Dictatorship Vs Failed Democracy

[DR OSMAN]

I know lots of people dream and envy siyad barre and their are many world wide who also envy their previous dictators especially after state collapse(libya, iraq. south sudan) after seein the alternative. Lets discuss this system without western bias who had a bad experience with 'fascist' europe and has skewed their reason. The benevolent dictator vs failed democracies.

Lots of the world has failed or very corrupt forms of democracy, our continent leads that index, yes their are productive democracies in west and small parts of asia(south korea, japan, singapore, malaysia), even tho India is a democracy it wouldn't be described as a 'high grade' one at all. Is it fair if china for example painted all democracies the same like the west does with dictatorships, which they are totally wrong. The west needs to accept their is productive dictatorships even tho they r right most statistically are not.

Now let's get to measure a benevolent dictatorship.

1. Rwanda would be called a dictatorship but it's a benevolent one Paul Kagame
2. China is the most successful dictatorship and very productive
3. Libya/Iraq had very successful dictatorships in comparison to their current situation

The only problem I noticed about a dictatorship is when the leader dies or coup or rebellion happens which they are very 'prone' to. Since the dictator is the state, courts, govt, parliament, if he leaves it effects the whole system either it collapses or another leader comes who wasn't as benevolent or gifted.

China seems to have a Junta tho irrespective of the leader they seem to follow a 'course that is set' and new leader come to power peacefully and carry on the junta vision. I will study china if it was MAO Zedong who set up that 'structure' for them. Their seems to be a huge difference between china pre-mao and after mao that's why I said, I will study what sort of course he set up for them in terms of structures and state craft. If you guys know please share your wisdom.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I would add Russia dictatorship on the list as successful, their 'soviet empire and cold era axises' did collapse when they did after the west defeat like happened to Somalia-Ethio. But as a dictatorship in Russia only, they achieved one big objective 'security dominance' even if their market isn't as well developed due to sanctions.

Security dominance isn't something to 'scoff' at and only think being rich is the answer. Strong countries can threaten u when-ever they so choose and allow u to exist on their mercy. That type of existence isn't something to boast about. Plus Soviets have a high human capital and very inventative in many fields of knowledge including security so their 'security' edge will not disappear anytime soon.

Countries that require their weapons be made elsewhere are also hostage to that country interest, that's why Somalia when it gets its act together do not make the same mistake siyad did but improve on it cuz russia cut his supplies of weapons due to the 77 war. That should be a lesson learned for us that 'security independence' is our goal not 'aggression' and knowledge transfer partners are our biggest priority not 'investors'. Investors can play second fiddle. Survival will always be no 1 priority and capabilities related too, not economic well being.

 

[anon2]

China is a very good model. Chinese people really trust and love their government because it does it's job without interfering too much into their lives. The only time the government gets involved is if you break the law. Even independent surveys and studies from Western universities have been puzzled because every study they've done shows that Chinese people trust and are happy with their government. This makes the liberal western minded person question their own beliefs which are shaped by media and bias.

Modern day China provides it's citizens with free food, housing, healthcare and education. All these are pillars in establishing a highly educated high trust society. You are even given help if you want to start a business, you are given land if you want to start a farm for example. This is what Siyaad gov. used to do, they would buy land plots for people if they wanted to be farmers.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@anon2 im a big big supporter of collecting the good of all systems and crafting a holistic system where it's on super steroid of excellence with a mix of local adaptation/tweak to our social structure.

Copying something full? we learned that from siyad and civilian govt isnt the wisest approach. Those aspects u listed is similar to siyad policy which needs to be embedded in our system also where it's appropriate.

I find it amazing they want us to go back to 60s and emulate the past without an inch of progress/advancement/fine tuning, we don't add anything, no wonder our nation looked neolithic from 10000 years ago, you can't live and just repeat the past and not contribute to it or advance it, especially once it's been tried their is lessons learned u should account for.

 

[anon2]

@DR OSMAN Somalis need a new mixed system. A shared Dhaqaan must be established first to ensure everyone is on the same page instead of becoming blind followers of their "tol". Maybe the Keenadiid system of nurturing with tough love can also be implemented to a degree as well.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@DR OSMAN Somalis need a new mixed system. A shared Dhaqaan must be established first to ensure everyone is on the same page instead of becoming blind followers of their "tol". Maybe the Keenadiid system of nurturing with tough love can also be implemented to a degree as well.

We were leaps and bounds ahead compared to the short time we were a state and what we inherited and how much value we extracted from it especially post siyad. The ethios copied str8 away with their derg 74 revolution to counter siyad 69 revolution, then I saw faysal ali waraaabe saying copy ethio disbandment of liyu, no ethio always copied us and it will stay that way.

Their meles/eritrea were all created by us, who does faysal think he is? reminds me of mad mullah frustration with these folks, somalis will keep their social identity n productive islam that helps them while ensuring they access knowledge thru early learning of english like european non english countries do. An Islam wax soo kordhiyo baan rabna not an islam that is extreme and hateful and wanting violence and not respecting people freedom and running around like mini gods in society. Im studying malaysia and how it ensured a productive islam at peace with itself and others.

 

[anon2]

We were leaps and bounds ahead compared to the short time we were a state and what we inherited and how much value we extracted from it especially post siyad. The ethios copied str8 away with their derg 74 revolution to counter siyad 69 revolution, then I saw faysal ali waraaabe saying copy ethio disbandment of liyu, no ethio always copied us and it will stay that way.

Their meles/eritrea were all created by us, who does faysal think he is? reminds me of mad mullah frustration with these folks, somalis will keep their social identity n productive islam that helps them while ensuring they access knowledge thru early learning of english like european non english countries do. An Islam wax soo kordhiyo baan rabna not an islam that is extreme and hateful and wanting violence and not respecting people freedom and running around like mini gods in society. Im studying malaysia and how it ensured a productive islam at peace with itself and others.

A man like Faysal ali waraaabe has no morals. He was protesting aganist Siyad in 1980 was brought to Xamar. He was rewarded with a college education and a job working for the government.

And you are right, Ethiopia copied Siyaad gov. because they saw how effective his system was except they tried to do land reforms and take land away from farmers, they failed utterly.