Politics and Religion should be kept separate

[Mozart]

The opinion of a sheikh on political matters should be as worthless as a crack fiend in my opinion.

Somali politicians needs to realise there is no magic Muslim brotherhood with Arab nations where Islam is the connection. Instead, the best deals should be signed independent of religion. If it’s with Israel, then so be it.

Somalia fed bummy sand dwellers under the pretext of Islam and they’re now a (not the only) destabilising factor in the nation. These countries use religion to further their own interest and the idiot Somalis always buy into it. ‘We will help you our Muslim akhis’ is what they say yet they own Somali ports, tank the agriculture market and sponsor terrorism.

There should not be a more positive inclination to certain nations just because on paper they are Muslim.

 

[Geelraac]

Pretty sure you're forming a new religion, yeah good luck with that and lets see where that takes you on day of judgment

 

[Villainess]

focus on your self hatred before you insert yourself in Somali matters.

 

[AishaBarri]

Some of these people are only Muslim by name. Their actions don’t add up. The sooner more people realize this the better

 

[Ibrahim hassan]

Islam is the best. Economic system, political and all. There's a khilaf or ruler, and if he does something wrong the scholars criticize him and keep him on check best system.

 

[Mozart]

Islam is the best. Economic system, political and all. There's a khilaf or ruler, and if he does something wrong the scholars criticize him and keep him on check best system.

Only works if the ruler is honest. Too much power in one persons hands is insanity. Saudi sheikhs now give whatever fatwa MBS wants.

 

[Mozart]

Pretty sure you're forming a new religion, yeah good luck with that and lets see where that takes you on day of judgment

How have you deduced that from the original post ?

 

[Geelraac]

How have you deduced that from the original post ?

Anything un-islamic = new religion.

 

[Mozart]

Anything un-islamic = new religion.

I never said remove Islam from the law making process ie alchohol is haram and banned. Rather, foreign policy should not be; country X is a Muslim nation therefore country X will act rationally and help us.

 

[Geelraac]

I never said remove Islam from the law making process ie alchohol is haram and banned. Rather, foreign policy should not be; country X is a Muslim nation therefore country X will act rationally and help us.

I get your point but unless its 100% islamic aint working sxb

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

The opinion of a sheikh on political matters should be as worthless as a crack fiend in my opinion.

Somali politicians needs to realise there is no magic Muslim brotherhood with Arab nations where Islam is the connection. Instead, the best deals should be signed independent of religion. If it’s with Israel, then so be it.

Somalia fed bummy sand dwellers under the pretext of Islam and they’re now a (not the only) destabilising factor in the nation. These countries use religion to further their own interest and the idiot Somalis always buy into it. ‘We will help you our Muslim akhis’ is what they say yet they own Somali ports, tank the agriculture market and sponsor terrorism.

There should not be a more positive inclination to certain nations just because on paper they are Muslim.

That is bolox.

This idea of terrorism is a western invention and a foreign concept.We know most of the people who propagate the idea of religous anarchy or cult anarchy are sponsored by foreigners.This is not a grass root initiative.

Politics and religion can never be seperated.B3cause man made laws are flawed and are mostly for the tich and by the rich.The parlaimentary sysytem and everything is controlled by a minority elitists who pay puppets to represent them while these so called puppets get funds from them and use it in their campaigns to bribe and solicit support from the commoners in society.These commoners are usually people who have more to worry about putting food in their table.

So religion protects the masses from the greedy aristocrats who want to rule them like animals and bring laws that only protect their wealth while tax the commoners.

 

[Mozart]

That is bolox.

This idea of terrorism is a western invention and a foreign concept.We know most of the people who propagate the idea of religous anarchy or cult anarchy are sponsored by foreigners.This is not a grass root initiative.

Politics and religion can never be seperated.B3cause man made laws are flawed and are mostly for the tich and by the rich.The parlaimentary sysytem and everything is controlled by a minority elitists who pay puppets to represent them while these so called puppets get funds from them and use it in their campaigns to bribe and solicit support from the commoners in society.These commoners are usually people who have more to worry about putting food in their table.

So religion protects the masses from the greedy aristocrats who want to rule them like animals and bring laws that only protect their wealth while tax the commoners.

In theory, yes. But the belief that you will have a just ruler and a group of sheikhs who act according to religion to a T is near enough impossible.

Terrorism in Somalia is not western led. It’s Middle East Wahhabism if anything. My point was mainly on foreign policy. Somalia’s current policy is completely irrational and based on the belief that Muslims will want good for you because you share a religion which is insanity.

Religion is simply not compatible with modern day politics between countries. Nations exploit others under the guise of a common religion which is so naive on the behalf of Somalia. Also, the Islamic ruling system you describe is not in place properly anywhere in the world so it’s a pipe dream.

If Qatar/Turkey/UAE/Saudi were Jewish nations Somali’s would be incredibly skeptical of any interference yet because they are supposedly Muslim nations, everything is OK. There’s no freebies in life and not least because you share a religion with a country.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

In theory, yes. But the belief that you will have a just ruler and a group of sheikhs who act according to religion to a T is near enough impossible.

Terrorism in Somalia is not western led. It’s Middle East Wahhabism if anything. My point was mainly on foreign policy. Somalia’s current policy is completely irrational and based on the belief that Muslims will want good for you because you share a religion which is insanity.

Religion is simply not compatible with modern day politics between countries. Nations exploit others under the guise of a common religion which is so naive on the behalf of Somalia. Also, the Islamic ruling system you describe is not in place properly anywhere in the world so it’s a pipe dream.

If Qatar/Turkey/UAE/Saudi were Jewish nations Somali’s would be incredibly skeptical of any interference yet because they are supposedly Muslim nations, everything is OK. There’s no freebies in life and not least because you share a religion with a country.

Terrorism in Somalia is a western led campaign.

AS and Alitihad were all sponsored by Arab middle easterners so that somalia doesnt become stable.They the Middle Easterners focused on the concept of conflict rarher than concept of healing and investing in instituitins.We know who these middle eastern countries are bidding for Just like Al qaida was created by CIA.To bring confusion and militancy as well as cults to cause chaos in the muslim world.Islam os not a foreign concept and we know prior 1920 it was a power to recorn with.Muslims ruled the world for almost 1000 years and introduced alot of inventions that is also what greatly contributed to the European renaissance.
When Europe was in its dark ages muslims spain was the beacon of civilisation and sciences where Eurpeans would send their noblement to go study there.

Most of the wealth derived in the west is through sheer expolitation of colonialism and occupation from Australia to Americas to Africa to Asia all the wealth gained from these countries were used to build modern Europe and USA.

Before the british went to India.India was one of the wealthiest nations and had industries.

All these muslim nations you see are all created by the west and they created new nationalities and identies which has brought confusing and conflict.Then the West put their own puppets to rule them.Then they also have controlled the Islamic reformation by hyjacking it and inplating moles like Bin laden,Godane ,Boko haram who want to use violence to come to power and most of what they want to impliment is not the Islamic Sharia that was ruling muslim lands for centuries.
So muslims are caught in between to either side with these corrupt leaders put in place by the west or side with these militants both which are controlled by the west.

 

[Hassan2000]

You sound like you have some inferiority complex towards arabs. Im feeling that from the irrational babble you wrote about them. If Somalia is not where you feel it should be, thats down to the inhabitants and more precisely the leaders. Islam has nothing to do with it

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

You sound like you have some inferiority complex towards arabs. Im feeling that from the irrational babble you wrote about them. If Somalia is not where you feel it should be, thats down to the inhabitants and more precisely the leaders. Islam has nothing to do with it

I dont have any inferiority complex to Arabs because all these fake Arab nations were created by the west after the Arabs revolted against the Ottoman empire.

The arab political might died when the Mongols ransacked the last Arab dynasty of the Abbasids in Baghdaad.

What we have today are beduins that the British and Americans put in place to look after their interest.

These Beduins are the ones that are xorrupting Somalia and preventing it from standing on its feet.

They sponsor AS,Alitihad and also have been sposoring dictators like xassan sheikh,sheikh sharif and Farmajo.

I dont think a Bedouin qatari or UaE or Saudi has best interest of Somalia at heart.Because they are corrupt to the core.

 

[Hassan2000]

I dont have any inferiority complex to Arabs because all these fake Arab nations were created by the west after the Arabs revolted against the Ottoman empire.

The arab political might died when the Mongols ransacked the last Arab dynasty of the Abbasids in Baghdaad.

What we have today are beduins that the British and Americans put in place to look after their interest.

These Beduins are the ones that are xorrupting Somalia and preventing it from standing on its feet.

They sponsor AS,Alitihad and also have been sposoring dictators like xassan sheikh,sheikh sharif and Farmajo.

I dont think a Bedouin qatari or UaE or Saudi has best interest of Somalia at heart.Because they are corrupt to the core.

My comment was towards the brother who started the thread but now i think it applies to you akhi

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

My comment was towards the brother who started the thread but now i think it applies to you akhi

You got your answer right.

 

[Jiron]

Hey brother we are a muslim nation, please stop associating bad stuff with the religion. The extremist do not represent us

 

[OTF]

Shouldn’t we separate clans/tribalism from politics first?? Because that’s what destroyed the country.

 

[Hassan2000]

Shouldn’t we separate clans/tribalism from politics first?? Because that’s what destroyed the country.

Then how would the athiests get to disparage islam?