PL N Hargeisa Negiotations

[DR OSMAN]

I sometimes wonder does Puntland choose the wrong partners to negiotate with in Somalia? do we even 'examine' their past, history, agendas, opportunities available for both sides to reach a mutually beneficial deal? PL/SL thing has been at war since 2002 and it looks silly to the world when we can't even prove our administrations are effective. He just recieved a nobel prize for showing the world he ended ethio/eritrea war that Abiy guy. Why? he is the only leader who presented a solution while all the leaders before him did nothing to solve the problem.

PL/SL need to resolve the SSC matters urgently and forget the(we get more aid by having more region nonsense), you want to speak to a world to show 'responsible' and solution focused and not like the rest of Somalia who is conflict driven? I don't see any evidence to present to the world that PL or SL are really reliable partners to cut any sort of deal with because they can't even manage to hold a deal over SSC. It actually hurts our long-term prospects as both regions.

I am willing be the first to place the solutions that will satisfy the PL side on the table.

1. Referendum on Somaliland claimed 5 regions. As long as it's the will of the people in each 5 regions, meaning 60% majority are secessionist in Sool/Sanaag/Ayn. I will accept these outcome and respect their will and show my maturity as Puntlannder

2. PL/Hargeisa need to cut a deal. We will block HY/HJ using our port so their not independent from Hargeisa rule, plus their disempowerment has made them a nuisance regionally such as the head of shabab in galgala and we have evidence a HJ killed the garowe imam and was caught and we know what HY is doing in galgala from security council reports.

Caare after all his propaganda we saw how they handed himself into muse bihi showing he has no 'go'an' adag and therefore there is to much evidence to support HY/HJ in PL and we must sacrifice them back to their master Sacad muse. I think this is the reason why Sacad muse are not happy with PL. We welcomed their 'dissidents' and gave them laccess to a port lifeline to challenge their 'control'. Lets send them back home as their 'double swindling' and 'turn themselves in' always and flip flop, they will do the same to anyone else they partner with. By doing this gesture of good will to SL, we want all HARTI regions to be respected as PL and do not open up an 'avenue' for them in Hargeisa to become a 'dissident' in PL.

I support trying a 'sacad muse' deal. They have a 'stake' such as hargeisa capital-berbera port. They are the brains and elites of their clan historically and till today they seem to show they have 'go'an' and not 'flip flop' too much and therefore not 'risky' partnership. Only negative I see is their not as dominant in Isaaq triangle to take 'full control' like Majerten in PL. Plus their 'reer mahad' are basically up in 'arms' the HY.

So this means your not really dealing with 'military muscle' clan of the Isaaq but more like the 'reer hersi' of omar mahmoud oo kale weeye sacad musuhu ma garatay, he ain't shit without @Bohol backing him and Bohol ma aha niin 'tashan kara' waa sida Dhulbahante dee waa niman ku heeshiyay 'yaan la tashan' kkkk hence it's in our right to see if a sacad muse and majerten treaty is possible. It could be as great and long as the GALMUDUG TREATY, which shows great maturity in PL. Wala dagalama wala heeshiya. World war 1 iyo 2 waa dhacay, white man waa heeshiyay. PL is similar 'culture' runti aan iska kaftano lakin beel walbo waxaa uu daran inu 'badbaado' and we are honestly only 'phobic' of 'beelo aan tashan' because they become 'troublemakers'

 

[DR OSMAN]

I am prepared to supply all PL information on HY within Bosaso to Sacad muse and ensure their hand over peacefully because waaa 'gun' weeye is-dhiibay, uma dhinto waxba, waa niin ku nool inu buurahasi galgala cagajugleyo ama imam garowe dilo halka adiguna xasid buu ku yahay kuma rabe kkkk marka waa sheekadi hawiye dee, yaysan arintisu labadeena ku khasaarin ma aha ceeb, fa'ido ka soo kordhayo inaad waqti siiso beelo aan tashan adaa ku khasaaro gabo keliya. Hence sacad muse/mj deal I would entertain.

The only thing I worry is SL isn't a real state hadi HY isn't militarily backing it, marka yaa la heeshisay waa dood kale, war idinku is mideeya hadad isaaq tihin si xal looga gaadho SSC, all I care about is protecting my constitution, in beelahasi walalaha hartigu mamulkooda ku jiran si aan cadow kale noo soo adeegsan. Their n ot like bah dubays dee anigu issa mahmoud ima adeegsan karo to kill osman mahmoud, 'we have a strong isimo'. Lakin dhulbahante waa ka surtowda wax walba waa niin aan tashan waa sidasi, waa unpredictable

 

[DR OSMAN]

It will be great if it will happen but it's unlikely, maskaxda somaliyeed uma dhisno 'talo' way la yaaban talo, waxay uu dhisantay feker iyo muran. which is essentially nothingness but a vicious cycle. I would call the shir 'amaan aan kala helno' between PL/SL, surely we can agree on that simple PREMISE. Its inspired by my grandfather who would always open clan conflicts on the premise of 'AMAAN AAN KA HELO'

 

[DR OSMAN]

The sacad muse need to realize we have the same foreign ally 'dubai'. It's like the ethio/somalia war backed by Russia, we can't be fighting yet have the same foreign backer, it makes us look globally incompotent. Our federal policy must be the same, to back any dubai/saudi candidate in mogadishu regardless if he is hawiye or darod. They are pro regionalism. If u back qatar backed hawiye or darod, their pro hamar, look where all their investment goes? their going to bring ur ass back to hamar. So u got only two choices in Somalia besides your 'isaaq lives matter nonsense'. Doro darod iyo hawiye it's up to u but don't back on who is going to a nation for funds that is intended to 'disturb' or 'enpower' a 'cesspool' that has no economic potential other then diaspora money.

I dont want to come to a country where ppl are living 10 ppl to one house because the economy was designed for elites and diaspora to live western lifestyles while the locals are in soweto. I want to ensure when I return home they have the same living standards I do the locals. To improve living standard, YOU NEED TO WORK. We don't see eye to eye hawiye guys in hamar they just want 10 bakaro boys and millions of hawiyes in ghettos, this is not an economy designed to empower hawiye, its designed for 'top 1%' who will be held hostage by foreigners to keep the status quo locally becuz they want to implement the brotherhood project which needs a dumb and poor people so they can be scared into RELIGION

 

[DR OSMAN]

It's up to PL to debate the pro/cons of sacad muse n mj treaty. But it's like abgaal story waa reer magaalkooda hawiye lakin backboneki habar gedir weeye. Their set up identically sacad muse as reer magaal but the hy backbone. Marka yaa la heeeshisay waa sucal, ma qiimo buu lee yahay

 

[Soomaaliweyn]

P0oland iyo Xaarge1sa will never dictate over Dhulbahante lands. We invested in p0oland since its creation but it has not benefited us. We are made to feel like guests and do not like MJ faan. Ileyn federal states are just based on qabil. One is Jeegan confederation and the other is Mohamud Saleebaan maamul. Alas, make your treaties, for you are both but burdens upon Somali unity and midnimo.

 

[DR OSMAN]

P0oland iyo Xaarge1sa will never dictate over Dhulbahante lands. We invested in p0oland since its creation but it has not benefited us. We are made to feel like guests and do not like MJ faan. Ileyn federal states are just based on qabil. One is Jeegan confederation and the other is Mohamud Saleebaan maamul. Alas, make your treaties, for you are both but burdens upon Somali unity and midnimo.

I don't discuss the dhulbahante issue because when I saw it's been undecided since 2002 till now, it shows real incompetence in leadership by PL, I do agree there. Horta niyahow war badan kuguma daalinayo. 3 meel ba ku furan

1. PL
2. SL
3. Hamar(waa gumaysi toos ah oo xitaa its unhidden and show PUBLICALLY)

The other option waa 'treaty' model oo loo adeegsado primitive people dawladnimada neceb like native indians and aborigines oo dawlad la'antada lagu aqbalayo kkkk. It's like galkacyo treaty, it's treaty to separate the governed from the ungoverned, xad aya loo dhiiga si aysan isku 'qasmin' the principle behind this is to 'contain the lawlessness' and manage it thru 'treaty' methods kkkkk. Which basically means me and @Crow will have to get our spears and swords and faras and live like ouru ancestors did in the 15th century because u never evolved beyond that point WHEN I ENTER THE DHULBAHANTE TREATY reserve.

Then I go back to wearing my suit and civilian life GAROWE in PL which means u r satisfied and I am satisfied and the world sees a system. Waa geesinimo waa xal weeye un-governed and governed are now DEFINED and manageable. I am sick of the one system for all when not all clans are at the same maturity level.

@Crow is my nigga cuz wuu fahma ujeeda is serious and solves matter. Look at the amish they live like its 17th century, ha uu diidin dhulbahante to remain in the dhulbahante treaty reserve. We will respect the treaty when interacting beyond borders

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Crow see how he disappeared marki TALO la sheego. War an ka hadalno qodobada treatyga anigo dawlad iyo dawad la'an iyo qodobada aan isku imaan karno si aanu ku kala badbadno, so the world can see a system that works, they dont care if its unitarian, federal, quasi traditional, as long as something is reliable and working encourages the world waa meel kala nidaam ah lakin SYSTEM KALA DUWAN LEH.

THAT IS THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS ACKNOWLEDGE OUR PLACE IN SOMALIA.

DHULBAHANTE HADU SOO FARISTO ADIGO DAWLAD LA'AN SIDEE RESERVE YAR LOOGU SAMAYA SI AAD WELIGA AHAYD OO AAD ISKU BURSAN JIRTEEN OO AADAN KA KORIN WAQTI AHMED GUREY 15TH CENTURY AND SHOW DEVELOPMENT STRIDES. HOW DO WE MAKE IT TREATY RESERVE, WE WILL PASS IN PL PARLIAMENT AND THEN SOMALI PARLIAMENT. WALLAHI CID KULA HADLAYSO DAMBE MA JIRAYSO ADIGUNA MJ IYO ISAAQ KAMA WELWELAYSID MAR DAMBE