Philosophy and Islam

[Sajid]

I was listening today a lesson about the danger of philosophy in Islam and that most people who mix them together leave the path of the prophet pbuh and start to use philosophical idea other than using the Quran and Sunnah.

And many so called uluma left Islam when they fell in this trap.



One of the famous Islamic philosophers who fell to this trap is ibn sina and ibn Arabi and he isn't ibn Al Arabi so be careful they are two people.

Anyways this guy said in his book futuhat Al makiyah that this world is one entity which is Allah SWT and all objects and creatures are part of Allah.

He also said that heaven and hell are both equal and are both bless from Allah.

He also compared prophet Ibrahim as with Allah SWT.

To the point that imam a dahabi who was a somehow sympathic with him and tried many times to tell people that he may have other meaning of his ideas.

After imam dahabi heard that ibn Arabi compared prophet Ibrahim to Allah he said : if this isn't kufur then I don't know what is kufur.


When shiekh Al Islam ibn taymiyah was asked about philosophy he said : it's a Greek solutions for Greek Problems.


So Muslims should keep away from philosophy and don't dive into it because it will hit your aqeeda

 

[Aurelian]

Muslims were on top in medieval times when they started using their brains and challenging non Muslims with arguments and logic. Till some dudes came and said logic and arguments are haram.

 

[Sajid]

Muslims were on top in medieval times when they started using their brains and challenging non Muslims with arguments and logic. Till some dudes came and said logic and arguments are haram.

Did the tab'in and sahaba and prophet Muhammad pbuh use philosophy to convert people to Islam.

 

[Aurelian]

Did the tab'in and sahaba and prophet Muhammad pbuh use philosophy to convert people to Islam.

so what if they didn't?

 

[Sajid]

so what if they didn't?

Use religion to convert people.

Philosophy was made in the first place by the Greeks who were looking for gods.

Do we lack god to be like them

 

[Aurelian]

Use religion to convert people.

Philosophy was made in the first place by the Greeks who were looking for gods.

Do we lack god to be like them

It wasn't created by the Greeks.
Philosophy meaning love of wisdom is a way to think rationally and logically, using reason and other methods. Thinking is not wrong.


Early Muslims who ruled a vast ppl with different religions had to use reason to convince non Muslims to the religion. The prophet and Sahaba hadn't had this kind of problem, since Arabs pre-Islam had some sense of Monotheism, and logically the sahaba were more close to the Kufar of Qureish in terms of reasoning and way of thinking since they were from the same culture.

 

[Awad]

Muslims were on top in medieval times when they started using their brains and challenging non Muslims with arguments and logic. Till some dudes came and said logic and arguments are haram.

Logic and arguments are only Haram when trying to interpret the Quran through them alone, as some verses are Mutashabih (ambiguous) and are best understood by the implications given by the prophet (saw) and the companions

 

[Keep it a boqol]

The prophet SAW didnt have to "convince" others with reason and logic. People converted due to his character and piety and some miracles and prophecies he predicted when he lived amongst the mushrikeen

 

[Taij4an]

The prophet SAW didnt have to "convince" others with reason and logic. People converted due to his character and piety and some miracles and prophecies he predicted when he lived amongst the mushrikeen

miracles are reason and logic

 

[Taij4an]

Did the tab'in and sahaba and prophet Muhammad pbuh use philosophy to convert people to Islam.

yes

 

[Keep it a boqol]

miracles are reason and logic

can you show me an example? His form of dawah was explaining tawheed and people would convert and beleove he was a prohet when he would receive ayats from the quran

 

[Taij4an]

can you show me an example? His form of dawah was explaining tawheed and people would convert and beleove he was a prohet when he would receive ayats from the quran

Tawheed is philosophy

 

[Sajid]

Tawheed is philosophy

Bro you are a joke

 

[Taij4an]

Bro you are a joke

You clearly don't know what philosophy is,
U guys on this forum come off as uneducated

 

[Sajid]

You clearly don't know what philosophy is,
U guys on this forum come off as uneducated

If you are educated then tell us what is philosophy

 

[Taij4an]

If you are educated then tell us what is philosophy

Philosophy (from Greek: φιλοσοφία, philosophia, 'love of wisdom')[1][2] is the systematized study of general and fundamental questions, such as those about existence, reason, knowledge, values, mind, and language.[3][4][5] Such questions are often posed as problems[6][7] to be studied or resolved. Some sources claim the term was coined by Pythagoras (c. 570 – c. 495 BCE);[8][9] others dispute this story,[10][11] arguing that Pythagoreans merely claimed use of a preexisting term.[12] Philosophical methods include questioning, critical discussion, rational argument, and systematic presentation.[13][14]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy#cite_note-15

Historically, philosophy encompassed all bodies of knowledge and a practitioner was known as a philosopher.[15] From the time of Ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle to the 19th century, "natural philosophy" encompassed astronomy, medicine, and physics.[16] For example, Newton's 1687 Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy later became classified as a book of physics. In the 19th century, the growth of modern research universities led academic philosophy and other disciplines to professionalize and specialize.[17][18] Since then, various areas of investigation that were traditionally part of philosophy have become separate academic disciplines, and namely the social sciences such as psychology, sociology, linguistics, and economics.

Today, major subfields of academic philosophy include metaphysics, which is concerned with the fundamental nature of existence and reality; epistemology, which studies the nature of knowledge and belief; ethics, which is concerned with moral value; and logic, which studies the rules of inference that allow one to derive conclusions from true premises.[19][20] Other notable subfields include philosophy of religion, philosophy of science, political philosophy, aesthetics, philosophy of language, and philosophy of mind.

 

[Sajid]

Philosophy (from Greek: φιλοσοφία, philosophia, 'love of wisdom')[1][2] is the systematized study of general and fundamental questions, such as those about existence, reason, knowledge, values, mind, and language.[3][4][5] Such questions are often posed as problems[6][7] to be studied or resolved. Some sources claim the term was coined by Pythagoras (c. 570 – c. 495 BCE);[8][9] others dispute this story,[10][11] arguing that Pythagoreans merely claimed use of a preexisting term.[12] Philosophical methods include questioning, critical discussion, rational argument, and systematic presentation.[13][14]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy#cite_note-15

Historically, philosophy encompassed all bodies of knowledge and a practitioner was known as a philosopher.[15] From the time of Ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle to the 19th century, "natural philosophy" encompassed astronomy, medicine, and physics.[16] For example, Newton's 1687 Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy later became classified as a book of physics. In the 19th century, the growth of modern research universities led academic philosophy and other disciplines to professionalize and specialize.[17][18] Since then, various areas of investigation that were traditionally part of philosophy have become separate academic disciplines, and namely the social sciences such as psychology, sociology, linguistics, and economics.

Today, major subfields of academic philosophy include metaphysics, which is concerned with the fundamental nature of existence and reality; epistemology, which studies the nature of knowledge and belief; ethics, which is concerned with moral value; and logic, which studies the rules of inference that allow one to derive conclusions from true premises.[19][20] Other notable subfields include philosophy of religion, philosophy of science, political philosophy, aesthetics, philosophy of language, and philosophy of mind.

Hahahaha Mr Wikipedia

 

[Taij4an]

Hahahaha Mr Wikipedia

the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline.



Defining philosophy is as difficult as trying to define love. The word philosophy is not much help. Philosophy is a combination of two Greek words, philein sophia, meaning lover of wisdom. In ancient times a lover of wisdom could be related to any area where intelligence was expressed. This could be in business, politics, human relations, or carpentry and other skills. Philosophy had a "wholeness" approach to life in antiquity. In contrast to this, some modern definitions restrict philosophy to what can be known by science or the analysis of language.

In today's world there is a popular use of the word philosophy. Philosophy is a term applied to almost any area of life. Some questions may express this general attitude: what is your philosophy of business? banking? driving a car? or your philosophy of the use of money? If this popular misuse of the word were to prevail, one may admit that anyone who thinks seriously about any subject is a philosopher. If we do this, we are ignoring the academic disciplines, or study of philosophy. If this very general definition is accepted, everyone becomes a philosopher. It becomes true, paradoxically, that when everyone is a philosopher, no one is a philosopher. This becomes so loose a definition that philosophy becomes meaningless as a definition. If this definition prevailed, it would mean that a philosopher is anyone who says he is a philosopher. Because of this inadequacy it becomes apparent that we have to look elsewhere for a definition of philosophy.

Because the original meaning of the word, philosophy, does not give us much for specific content, we will turn to descriptive definitions. A descriptive definition of philosophy is that it seeks to describe its functions, goals, and reasons for existence. In the following pages a number of these definitions will be set forth and examined