We would have been fried online omg this is nuts they really get so much leeway lemme guess they'll start a round of discourse but make it general about 'Africans'while if it was us it would be somalis
Othering / Ajnabis dictating our identity
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Honestly if someone is that busy spreading hate it shows where their heart is at. They’re struggling or lacking something in their own lives. Don’t take them seriously who walks around speaking like that in real life? If they do people categorise them as mentally insane. I got too many people to live in my life to be hating anyone online that lol and I got bills pilling up.
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Dont let it fly over your head. Even tho they accomplish certain cultural capital whats that worth for being still called an N word ? Nothing to get excited overHonestly, the way you're going out of your way to hype up Jamaicans makes me question if you're even Somali, you sound more like someone defending their own background than giving an objective take.
Let’s get something straight hip hop is African American culture, full stop. It came out of the lived experiences of Black Americans in the U.S., not from Jamaica. Just because a couple of rappers had Jamaican roots doesn’t mean Jamaicans created or defined hip hop. If that logic held, then we’d have to credit everyone with ancestry in hip hop, including white artists like Eminem and Beastie Boys and we both know that doesn’t fly, even though Eminem and Beastie Boys are legendary and played major roles in hip hop’s mainstream success and cultural expansion. Having Jamaican heritage doesn’t make someone a Jamaican rapper or turn hip hop into Jamaican culture. They were guests in a space built by African Americans.
Also, the whole idea that Jamaicans earned "respect" because of dominance in the prison system is wild. That’s not respect that’s a stereotype. And trying to turn criminal presence into cultural capital is honestly backwards.
Just because Jamaicans were part of the earlier Black presence in the UK doesn’t automatically mean white Brits feel more affinity with them. That has more to do with familiarity than any actual deeper connection. It’s about who was visible in music, sports, and the media earlier. That doesn’t make them more respected, just more known.
You’re trying to spin cultural visibility into superiority, but that doesn’t hold up. Somalis, and plenty of other Africans, bring different strengths and contributions. Just because they didn’t come through the UK music or street scene doesn’t make them less influential. That sounds like your personal bias talking more than anything rooted in facts.
So again, if you’re Somali, cool, but the way you're riding for Jamaicans like it’s your job makes me doubt it. Either way, your argument doesn’t hold.
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Notice the difference in energy when an Eritrean/ethiopians says something antiblack versus when a Somali says something anti black. They are being so miskeen towards the Eritrean girl but like you said if it was a Somali this would be going viral and we would be getting a shit ton of abuse thrown at us.
You're discussing semantics and genealogy, and I'm concerned with the structural factors that shape identity formation. Forces led by state-wide cultural suppression/assimilation.
Here are a few examples: In the 18th century, Highland Scots were forbidden from wearing their traditional attire and playing the bagpipes. In the 19th century, Welsh children were prohibited from speaking their language in school.
There is a difference between an organic cultural shift and regressive policy measures that forcefully stamp out differences.
Imperial policy ≠ public English sentiment
From your previous statement you imply that the policy of forced anglicisation and cultural suppression was enacted by “Normans and Saxons” when it’s pretty much evident that these examples came about much more recently (in the time of the empire).
Britishness is not an imperial identity, as many are mistakenly led to believe, it existed as a marker of common geographical and ethnic ties amongst the peoples of the British isles. It possibly goes back as far as the heptarchy and is definitively mentioned in the 9th century during the rule of King Athelstan in the English context. It’s obviously a far older term amongst the Welsh and Cornish peoples.
The British people are a union of culturally related Protestant people. Most Britons are English but not all Britons are English, there’s a conflation between the two which often occurs.
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Outside of academia, attempting to deconstruct the British identity serves no purpose other than to antagonize. The average person does not care about the forces that may or may not have been involved in the formation of what is now an integral part of their identity.
I don’t understand the over-identification with Engriska or the politics of gratitude and respectability. I’m not from there, let alone Europe. Would you rather I shift away from the argument about in-house cultural suppression and focus on the state’s external meddling elsewhere? "Posh" Tea Stealers and Drug Dealers Circa Opium Wars. 
That has a nice ring to it. @mountainlife03 @The Oponian Guild
That has a nice ring to it. @mountainlife03 @The Oponian GuildI don’t understand the over-identification with Engriska or the politics of gratitude and respectability. I’m not from there, let alone Europe. Would you rather I shift away from the argument about in-house cultural suppression and focus on the state’s external meddling elsewhere? "Posh" Tea Stealers and Drug Dealers Circa Opium Wars.
To you, decolonial thought is the be-all and end-all. UK/EU context is obv different to North America, but I fail to see why it absolutely MUST be the politics of respectability or gratitude to simply recognize the good that a people have afforded to us as immigrants, or descendants of immigrants. Whoever is not thankful to the people is not thankful to Allah, any paradigm that engenders ingratitude in the absolute cannot be the correct way. it’s also not respectability politics to propose moving away from the incessantly critical, antagonistic approach that is taken by otherwise well-read intelligent people, I’d even say it’s more pragmatic to not poke the bear too much but from the looks of it that’s too late now.
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Another day another gracias "everyone against us" post.
Weren’t you advocating for nonsomalis taking over Somalia? Stop keeping up with me loser
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