OFFICIAL THREAD: Oromos: The Greatest Threat to ethnic Somalis.

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Thats fabrication what is a fact is that sade was the last official king of darod (boqor maxamed duad) ibn mujahid was the master of the second conquest of abbysinia my grandfathers were high ranking commanders in darawiish born in talex even tho they not from there haters gone hate on the blessed house of Sade yaa zanzibari

MJs are pure Somalis as proven by the many DNA tests carried out and displayed on this forum. Not like your unknown origin, Habesha Orthodox Christian name carrying kind.

I won't respond to any of your other fairytales and derailments, step aside Oromo.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

and what is oromo dna exactly? and okay cool, so marehan would be gone if you found ''oromo dna,'' what about others? what if ogadenis have a little ''oromo dna,''? what if some of the rahanwein [sorry if i mis spelled it] have a little ''oromo dna,''?
are you gonna make another somali militia call it ''OOOM,'' [Oromo out of here militia] and turn into the next ms farah aideed and kick them all out?

Oromia is large and pleasant enough to fit all Oromos. Be a good neighbour and collect your people starting with @Jakob96's Hirabu Bin Goita Tedros people.

 

[convincation]

tuulama come from borana, afran qallo from bareentu, the two moieties of the Oromo nation.
so, of course they will share more with their immediate neighbors as far as religion for the most part, goes, but descent/ancestry/etc is more in common with other oromo's.
a cisse somali in djibouti most likely feels closer to an afar they live next to, than an ogadeni in jubba land, or a marehan, no? but shares more far as ancestry goes with fellow somalis.

I mean genetically. Tulama coming from borana is like darood coming from arabia or arsi coming from Barentu. It’s fabricated. Mecha and tulama are just oromised gurages, amharas and other now extinct southern semites who were raided by oromo hoarders and don’t get me started on afran qallo that whol clan only came to exist 20 so years ago it was made up and originally even included gurgure as a direct descendant of barentu which is obviously not true. Clans are very fluid and with the case of oromos clans are simply created. Did you know most “arsi” oromo today were even part of the arsi clan that was formed by Barentu Oromos conquereing hadiya living in the area? They absorbed the clans around them and proclaimed them all arsi whether they actually were or not futhermore arsi as a clan states that it was formed through oromos and hadiyad mixing so my question is if this mixing happened some arsi oromo would trace back to the forefathers of hadiya not Barentu yet they all allegedly trace to Barentu. It’s been proven genetically too on average an oromo from hararghe has 10% omotic blood (having less omotic blood is usually a somali thing) whereas an oromo from shewa has 30%. Some afran qallo even share the T haplogroup which is only found in dir somalis so how can these people really be descendants of barentu ilma orma? They can’t because it isn’t true. Oromos are a confederation hell even the word oromo isn’t real the original term is now considered a slur so out of respect I won’t use it. Take no hate from this I love my oromos I’m just providing facts no feelings

 

[convincation]

and what is oromo dna exactly? and okay cool, so marehan would be gone if you found ''oromo dna,'' what about others? what if ogadenis have a little ''oromo dna,''? what if some of the rahanwein [sorry if i mis spelled it] have a little ''oromo dna,''?
are you gonna make another somali militia call it ''OOOM,'' [Oromo out of here militia] and turn into the next ms farah aideed and kick them all out?

Personally I got nothing against oromos or oromo dna it’s the oromo mindset that I think is dangerous. Even if marehans today are found out to be 100% oromo I wouldn’t even bat an eye they would still be somali since they don’t have that gadaa oromumma mindset. Same way if it was released that borana are 100% somali I would still see them as oromo cuz of that expand and conquer in the name of oromuuma mindset oromos (in politics) tend to have

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

@zak1up_1

The Marehan chieftain during the war on Abyssinnia had a Christian Orthodox Ethiopian abtiris. He's trying to distract from the obvious signs here.

 

[Abba Sadacha]

I mean genetically. Tulama coming from borana is like darood coming from arabia or arsi coming from Barentu. It’s fabricated. Mecha and tulama are just oromised gurages, amharas and other now extinct southern semites who were raided by oromo hoarders and don’t get me started on afran qallo that whol clan only came to exist 20 so years ago it was made up and originally even included gurgure as a direct descendant of barentu which is obviously not true. Clans are very fluid and with the case of oromos clans are simply created. Did you know most “arsi” oromo today were even part of the arsi clan that was formed by Barentu Oromos conquereing hadiya living in the area? They absorbed the clans around them and proclaimed them all arsi whether they actually were or not futhermore arsi as a clan states that it was formed through oromos and hadiyad mixing so my question is if this mixing happened some arsi oromo would trace back to the forefathers of hadiya not Barentu yet they all allegedly trace to Barentu. It’s been proven genetically too on average an oromo from hararghe has 10% omotic blood (having less omotic blood is usually a somali thing) whereas an oromo from shewa has 30%. Some afran qallo even share the T haplogroup which is only found in dir somalis so how can these people really be descendants of barentu ilma orma? They can’t because it isn’t true. Oromos are a confederation hell even the word oromo isn’t real the original term is now considered a slur so out of respect I won’t use it. Take no hate from this I love my oromos I’m just providing facts no feelings

And how do you know it's fabricated? what is your proof based on? wishful thinking, your personal opinions, etc, or?
Nope. maccaa is originally son of borana, started off as a small group of warriors, of pure oromo origin, with features described as: thinner noses, thinner lips, high broad foreheads [sound familiar?]... then it assimilated others, such as gurages, and others. but the origin is oromo, son of borana.
basically the origin is borana or barentu, who expanded in different directions, while some stayed behind, and then as they conquered new lands, they assimilated peoples.
those who were assimilated, were differentiated, then as time went on, they became fully oromo, and of course, no one discriminates or etc, all are known as oromo.
we never called ourselves the g word, our enemies called us that, we have always called ourselves ILMA ORMA or ILMAN OROMO and said OROMOO KEENYA, this is what those who first encountered us, among european travelers and others, wrote themselves.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Ahmed Gurey actually told Hirabu Theodorus off for not joining the war.

And then they want to say that their Hirabu clan was also Ahmed Gurey's clan @zak1up_1

 

[convincation]

And how do you know it's fabricated? what is your proof based on? wishful thinking, your personal opinions, etc, or?
Nope. maccaa is originally son of borana, started off as a small group of warriors, of pure oromo origin, with features described as: thinner noses, thinner lips, high broad foreheads [sound familiar?]... then it assimilated others, such as gurages, and others. but the origin is oromo, son of borana.
basically the origin is borana or barentu, who expanded in different directions, while some stayed behind, and then as they conquered new lands, they assimilated peoples.
those who were assimilated, were differentiated, then as time went on, they became fully oromo, and of course, no one discriminates or etc, all are known as oromo.
we never called ourselves the g word, our enemies called us that, we have always called ourselves ILMA ORMA or ILMAN OROMO and said OROMOO KEENYA, this is what those who first encountered us, among european travelers and others, wrote themselves.

I never said that all of mecha or any other oromo clan wasn’t oromo in origin I just said most of the people today who call themselves people from these groups are diverse in origin and aren’t just oromo. Certain oromos from wellega have agaw/amhara origins, shewa having amhara/gurage origins, raya and wello having amhara, Tigray, agaw and argobba origins, gargle having somali, harari and argobba origins bale having somali or sidama origins borana and Guji having somali or gedeo origins and the list goes on and on which is why I said genetically oromo is a confederation linguistics and “oromuuma” and the whole oppression thing seems to be the only things bringing oromos together

 

[convincation]

Ahmed Gurey actually told Hirabu Theodorus off for not joining the war. Hirabu even killed an emissary sent by another Imam.

And then they want to say that their Hirabu clan was also Ahmed Gurey's clan @zak1up_1

Wasn’t Ahmed gurey karanle or something

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Wasn’t Ahmed gurey karanle or something

Perhaps? Or Geri Koombe but not Beesha Hiirabu

 

[MT Foxtrot]

Shameless historical revisionism by the Twitter poster trying to equate Nazism with the Somali Republic. Barre's crimes have become so inflated now, there is a real danger it will destroy any understanding we have of his achievements. I can understand Ethiopians pushing these outlandish claims, but to have a Somali uncritically regurgitate them, thereby lending them credibility, is shocking.

 

[convincation]

Shameless historical revisionism by the Twitter poster trying to equate Nazism with the Somali Republic. Barre's crimes have become so inflated now, there is a real danger it will destroy any understanding we have of his achievements. I can understand Ethiopians pushing these outlandish claims, but to have a Somali uncritically regurgitate them, thereby lending them credibility, is shocking.

Can you break that down for me please I’m confused

 

[Abba Sadacha]

I never said that all of mecha or any other oromo clan wasn’t oromo in origin I just said most of the people today who call themselves people from these groups are diverse in origin and aren’t just oromo. Certain oromos from wellega have agaw/amhara origins, shewa having amhara/gurage origins, raya and wello having amhara, Tigray, agaw and argobba origins, gargle having somali, harari and argobba origins bale having somali or sidama origins borana and Guji having somali or gedeo origins and the list goes on and on which is why I said genetically oromo is a confederation linguistics and “oromuuma” and the whole oppression thing seems to be the only things bringing oromos together

You are taking back what you said, and admitting what I said was right; that Oromos exist as an ethnic group, but assimilated a lot of others, true, but that does not mean oromo isn't an ethnic group, it just means we assimilated a lot of others who eventually became oromo too. look up the definition of an ethnic group, and see that oromo's CLEARLY meet all the criteria for one. assimilating people does not negate it, or make one not an ethnic group; that makes NO SENSE at ALL.
Guji have nothing to do with somalis, lol, they do not even border somalis, they border the borana-the closest oromo clan to them, the sidama, the gedeo, bale and arsi. and they are related to gedeo, but not gedeo in origin, those are two different things. of course you would be related to people you married with, and bordered for so long. it's like saying the hawiye and oromo in babile are related, it's obvious.
oromummaa is based on common language-which we all have from the north in wallo/raya down to the oromo's as far as in Kenya [borana, orma, etc], a common culture, which we all have, so on and so forth. and let's be honest, oromos' are more united than somalis. just look at how u guys insult each other based on clans.

 

[convincation]

You are taking back what you said, and admitting what I said was right; that Oromos exist as an ethnic group, but assimilated a lot of others, true, but that does not mean oromo isn't an ethnic group, it just means we assimilated a lot of others who eventually became oromo too. look up the definition of an ethnic group, and see that oromo's CLEARLY meet all the criteria for one. assimilating people does not negate it, or make one not an ethnic group; that makes NO SENSE at ALL.
Guji have nothing to do with somalis, lol, they do not even border somalis, they border the borana-the closest oromo clan to them, the sidama, the gedeo, bale and arsi. and they are related to gedeo, but not gedeo in origin, those are two different things. of course you would be related to people you married with, and bordered for so long. it's like saying the hawiye and oromo in babile are related, it's obvious.
oromummaa is based on common language-which we all have from the north in wallo/raya down to the oromo's as far as in Kenya [borana, orma, etc], a common culture, which we all have, so on and so forth. and let's be honest, oromos' are more united than somalis. just look at how u guys insult each other based on clans.

I’m not going against what I said I was never talking about individual clans I’m talking about oromos as a whole. Oromo can’t be an ethnic group because oromos are not homogeneous in the slightest. Before the oromo expansion hundreds of smaller ethnicities roamed all over todays oromia. You saying oromo is an ethnic group because the people that conquered those lands where oromo is like saying if the Somali army was to go and conquer the amhara zone for example and overtime make those people somalis that would make them ethnically somali when it wouldn’t since they have no ties to the Somali bloodline other than being conquered by somalis. This is basically oromos in a nutshell the original oromos went and conquered vast lands and made the natives become oromos through conquest and the gadaa system. You being an oromo from jimma would probably mean your blood is much less oromo than you’d expect id guess you forefathers would most likely kaffa or yem rather than oromo but allahu aclam. just because those people happened to be conquered by macha oromos doesn’t make them macha in bloodline it just means they became macha by conquest. This happened all over oromia with loads of different ethnicuties being absorbed in this way which is why I’m saying oromo isn’t really an ethnic group. The guji zone has many Somalis living along the boarder with liben and much of it is traditional garre and degodia land. Negele was only recently taken from Somalis and the city is still heavily somali not to mention it was part of the Somali inhabited regions during the war of 1977 where barres army actually occupied the city for some time. This isn’t about intermarriage oromo as people spreaded through conquest granted so did many other ethnicities but people didn’t became oromo through intermarriage it’s because they where conquered. The only thing oromos really have in common with eachother is language and even that is extremely fluid since oromos of shewa speak almost exclusively amharic and oromos of haraghe speak somali. Oromos are much more United than somalis that is a fact and I will not deny it but I feel like if oromia was to get independence tht unity would vanish. Onto somalis their backwards dogs who blame their issues on everyone but themselves and their dirty tribalism inshallah our generation can bring back the Somali name free of tribalism but as of now the older generation put our noble name deep into the dirt

 

[AfranQallo]

I need some context
@Abba Sadacha stop attacking @Halimo Supremist Hawiyes are somali not oromo you dumbfuck

He said he doubts they are of Oromo origin. Didn’t say they were. Me being of a clan that borders them know they are of Somali origin, they just sometimes inter mix with us.

 

[Sloane Ranger]

He said he doubts they are of Oromo origin. Didn’t say they were. Me being of a clan that borders them know they are of Somali origin, they just sometimes inter mix with us.

The Hawiye tribe has many subclans and only 1 borders with Oromos.

 

[AfranQallo]

The Hawiye tribe has many subclans and only 1 borders with Oromos.

1 or 2 but yes, doesn’t rep the whole clan. The karanle and gungundhabe border us. But no one here is saying they are Oromo. Yes we mix with eachother but they’re Somali, we’re Oromo. I feel like some of you guys donot really understand that area to well. You hear or see something online and believe that’s how things have always been in hararghe. We’ve always been allies and bordered one another. Sometimes there are tension for livestock/land etc but majority of the time they live fine side by side.

 

[Sloane Ranger]

1 or 2 but yes, doesn’t rep the whole clan. The karanle and gungundhabe border us. But no one here is saying they are Oromo. Yes the we mix with eachother but they’re Somali, we’re Oromo. I feel like some of you guys donot really understand that area to well. You hear or see something online and believe that’s how things have always been in hararghe. We’ve always been allies and bordered one another. Sometimes there are tension for livestock/land etc but majority of the time they live fine side by side.

I don't know what their is to understand. Asking questions and stating my perspective is arrogant according to @Abba Sadacha. I've never cared for oromos in any capacity. You have your lands and we have ours. I don't believe in diversity and don't buy the allegiance you mention. I'm not convinced in the slightest.

 

[convincation]

1 or 2 but yes, doesn’t rep the whole clan. The karanle and gungundhabe border us. But no one here is saying they are Oromo. Yes we mix with eachother but they’re Somali, we’re Oromo. I feel like some of you guys donot really understand that area to well. You hear or see something online and believe that’s how things have always been in hararghe. We’ve always been allies and bordered one another. Sometimes there are tension for livestock/land etc but majority of the time they live fine side by side.

What areas do the gugundhabe and karanle live in Hararghe?

 

[AfranQallo]

I don't know what their is to understand. Asking questions and stating my perspective is arrogant according to @Abba Sadacha. I've never cared for oromos in any capacity. You have your lands and we have ours. I don't believe in diversity and don't buy the allegiance you mention. I'm not convinced in the slightest.

Thats unfortunate but hey, do you. I’m not one to get triggered or offended.

Lol and no one is trying to diverse your region or country. You have your lands and we have ours agreed. We border one another. As neighbors, we should be able to be civil and respectful of one another as a whole. I’m not say your aren’t respectful, but as people on both ends, we need to work on how we treat eachother. You keep yours, we keep ours, and respect eachother living day by day. Unfortunately one of the major issues to our peace is the ethio government always trying to cause conflict between us. One day InshaAllah.