North African History and Afrocentrism

[Apollo]

Why did Aristotle group Egyptians with Ethiopians who were indeed black? Clearly he was talking about their skintone being a mark of cowardness.

Also, I don't for one second believe Ancient Egyptians were bantu, before someone tries coming for me.

Ancient Greek travelers compared Egyptians as looking like Pakistanis (Indus Valley) while Ethiopians as looking like South Indians.

 

[Tewahedo]

Why did Aristotle group Egyptians with Ethiopians who were indeed black? Clearly he was talking about their skintone being a mark of cowardness.

Also, I don't for one second believe Ancient Egyptians were bantu, before someone tries coming for me.

you're simply lying I didn't find your quote and ancient writers clearly made a difference between egyptians/libyans and aethiopians (black people). Don't be fooled by these hoteps out there

 

[Halimak]

Greek travelers compared Egyptians as looking like Pakistanis while Ethiopians looking like South Indians.

Greeks are Mediterraneans, even darker than Italians. Why would they class their fellow Mediterranean the Egyptians as dark?

Why does Herodotus say this:

'but I myself guessed their Egyptian origin not only because the Colchians are dark-skinned and curly-haired (which does not count for much by itself , because these features are common in others too) but more importantly because Colchians, Egyptians and Ethiopians are the only peoples in the world who practise circumcision and who have always done so'

The Histories

Herodotus is not only known as the `father of history', as Cicero called him, but also the father of ethnography; as well as charting the historical background to the Persian Wars, his curiosity also prompts frequent digression on the cultures of the peoples he introduces. While much of the...

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Ancient Greeks were not Afrocentrics. So I see no reason for them to say shit like this so i'm very confused.

 

[Halimak]

you're simply lying I didn't find your quote and ancient writers clearly made a difference between egyptians/libyans and aethiopians (black people). Don't be fooled by these hoteps out there

I provided links check it out.

 

[Octavian]

Why did Aristotle group Egyptians with Ethiopians who were indeed black? Clearly he was talking about their skintone being a mark of cowardness.

Also, I don't for one second believe Ancient Egyptians were bantu, before someone tries coming for me.

ethiopian refers to their skin color as ive said before something about gods and flying chariots

 

[Tewahedo]

Greeks are Mediterraneans, even darker than Italians. Why would they class their fellow Mediterranean the Egyptians as dark?

Why does Herodotus say this:

'but I myself guessed their Egyptian origin not only because the Colchians are dark-skinned and curly-haired (which does not count for much by itself , because these features are common in others too) but more importantly because Colchians, Egyptians and Ethiopians are the only peoples in the world who practise circumcision and who have always done so'

The Histories

Herodotus is not only known as the `father of history', as Cicero called him, but also the father of ethnography; as well as charting the historical background to the Persian Wars, his curiosity also prompts frequent digression on the cultures of the peoples he introduces. While much of the...

books.google.co.uk

Ancient Greeks were not Afrocentrics. So I see no reason for them to say shit like this so i'm very confused.

"You will find translations where ‘black skinned and woolly haired’ are used, but the term melanchroes, which was translated to mean black in some versions, was used to describe any skin tone from bronzed to black, and through usage translates as ‘dark’. "

"Despite the efforts of Armayor and English, there is no linguistic justification for relating this term to negores. Melanchroes could denote any colour from bronzed to black, and negroes are certainly not the only physical type to show curly hair. These characteristics found in many Egs., ancient and modern, but they are at variance with what we should expect to find amongst the inhabitants of the Caucasus area. To Hippocrates the Phasians of Colchis were sallow (ochros) whilst the complexions of the modern-day Georgian population have been described as fair, sallow or ruddy. On the other hand, Arab geographer Istakhri describes an element of the Khazar people dwelling east of the Caucasus from at least the 6th century AD ” as if they were a kind of Indians.”

if egyptians were black why herodotus compared them to a community from the caucasus mountains and not their nubian neighbours ?


let's add this too : "The appearance of the inhabitants is also not very different in India and Ethiopia: the southern Indians are rather more like Ethiopians as they are black to look on, and their hair is black; only they are not so snub-nosed or woolly-haired as the Ethiopians; the northern Indians are most like the Egyptians physically. " Arrian, Indica 6.9

 

[Apollo]

Greeks are Mediterraneans, even darker than Italians. Why would they class their fellow Mediterranean the Egyptians as dark?

Greeks are not fully Mediterranean in origin. They have Indo-European ancestry from Ukraine (quite cold areas). Of course they are lighter than Ancient Egyptians who always lived in their own land and have no Ukrainian/Russian origins.

 

[Octavian]

Greeks are Mediterraneans, even darker than Italians. Why would they class their fellow Mediterranean the Egyptians as dark?

Why does Herodotus say this:

'but I myself guessed their Egyptian origin not only because the Colchians are dark-skinned and curly-haired (which does not count for much by itself , because these features are common in others too) but more importantly because Colchians, Egyptians and Ethiopians are the only peoples in the world who practise circumcision and who have always done so'

The Histories

Herodotus is not only known as the `father of history', as Cicero called him, but also the father of ethnography; as well as charting the historical background to the Persian Wars, his curiosity also prompts frequent digression on the cultures of the peoples he introduces. While much of the...

books.google.co.uk

Ancient Greeks were not Afrocentrics. So I see no reason for them to say shit like this so i'm very confused.

italians where in those times not a nation but an area with many different ethnic groups

 

[Octavian]

plus the greeks had colonies in the southern parts of that area

 

[Halimak]

Ancient Greek travelers compared Egyptians as looking like Pakistanis (Indus Valley) while Ethiopians as looking like South Indians.

Modern day Leventines look much lighter than Pakistanis. Therefore, i'm guessing that Modern Syrians, Jordanians are heavily mixed and do not look like their ancestors.

 

[Tewahedo]

Modern day Leventines look much lighter than Pakistanis. Therefore, i'm guessing that Modern Syrians, Jordanians are heavily mixed and do not look like their ancestors.

why do you speak about levantines ? We're talking about egyptians here

 

[Apollo]

Modern day Leventines look much lighter than Pakistanis. Therefore, i'm guessing that Modern Syrians, Jordanians are heavily mixed and do not look like their ancestors.

Australoids used to live in the Indian subcontinent, while they didn't live in the Levant. The darkness of South Asians comes from the pre-Indo-European inhabitants.

 

[Halimak]

why do you speak about levantines ? We're talking about egyptians here

Apparently, Ancient Egyptians were similar to Leventines. Correct me if i'm wrong @Apollo.

 

[Apollo]

Apparently, Ancient Egyptians were similar to Leventines. Correct me if i'm wrong @Apollo.

Only the ones from the late period (Roman occupation and afterwards). The ones from the earlier periods, I don't think so, they had more of a native Egyptian component. But that is speculation on my part, I haven't seen early period AE genomes yet.

 

[Tewahedo]

Apparently, Ancient Egyptians were similar to Leventines. Correct me if i'm wrong @Apollo.

the 3 samples analyzed from abusir el meleq ... we need more data and why do you avoid all my informative answers ?

 

[Halimak]

Australoids used to live in the Indian subcontinent, while they didn't live in the Levant. The darkness of South Asians comes from the pre-Indo-European inhabitants.

Maybe i'm getting confused here, but weren't the ancient Egyptians originally/similar to the Leventines?

 

[Halimak]

the 3 samples analyzed from abusir el meleq ... we need more data and why do you avoid all my informative answers ?

What questions have I avoided?

 

[Tewahedo]

Only the ones from the late period. The ones from the earlier periods, I don't think so, they had more of a native Egyptian component. But that is speculation on my part, I haven't seen early period AE genomes yet.

but even modern egyptians plot close to levantines despite having their own unique look

 

[Tewahedo]

What questions have I avoided?

I broke your argument about black egyptians

 

[Halimak]

Only the ones from the late period (Roman occupation and afterwards). The ones from the earlier periods, I don't think so, they had more of a native Egyptian component. But that is speculation on my part, I haven't seen early period AE genomes yet.

And what were the original Ancient Egyptians then?