North Africa pivots towards Sub-Sahara Africa

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Interesting read regarding North African countries re-orientating their focus back to Sub-Sahara to exploit the new emerging markets in West Africa, such as in the case of Morocco; Algeria wanting to regain their lost influence on Sub-Saharan countries & the AU. Lastly, Egypt wanting to protect it's national security interests over the Nile River that's being challenged by Ethiopia etc. Here's the link: Why North African States are looking South

 

[AbdiGeedi]

It is a natural step by the MENA countries and they have along way to go.

Unfortunately none of the Arab countries in the article are known for their development programs in the Sub-Saharan countries or even as an investment source. In terms of Nile, Egypt got cucked and it appears it has very little sway over Ethiopia, except for the verbal threats and diplomatic pleasantries. Sudan is facing famine at the moment. Egypt is nowhere to be seen helping Sudan to right itself.

France still has a strong military, economic and political grip on Sahel.

By the way, Turkey is viewed by the Sub-Saharan and West African countries as a country that can bring infrastructure development. The Turks built airports, railroads, provided electricity, etc.

This is the airport Turkey built in Senegal's capital Dakar:




The MENA countries should shake off their habit of depending on the whims of the Gulf monarchs and steer clear of the farcical Arab League. Right now Lebanon's economy is collapsing. The IMF refused to bail it out unless it implements rigid reforms. France politely excused itself from Lebanon. Not surprisingly the Arab League is absent.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

It is a natural step by the MENA countries and they have along way to go.

Unfortunately none of the Arab countries in the article are known for their development programs in the Sub-Saharan countries or even as an investment source. In terms of Nile, Egypt got cucked and it appears it has very little sway over Ethiopia, except for the verbal threats and diplomatic pleasantries. Sudan is facing famine at the moment. Egypt is nowhere to be seen helping Sudan to right itself.

France still has a strong military, economic and political grip on Sahel.

By the way, Turkey is viewed by the Sub-Saharan and West African countries as a country that can bring infrastructure development. The Turks built airports, railroads, provided electricity, etc.

This is the airport Turkey built in Senegal's capital Dakar:




The MENA countries should shake off their habit of depending on the whims of the Gulf monarchs and steer clear of the farcical Arab League. Right now Lebanon's economy is collapsing. The IMF refused to bail it out unless it implements rigid reforms. France politely excused itself from Lebanon. Not surprisingly the Arab League is absent.

The main reason why Maghrebi/Berber nations are interested in boosting trade relations with Black African States is due to the political deadlock between Morocco & Algeria over the Western Sahara dispute which has hampered efforts to economically & politically integrate the Maghreb region & boost trade.

Therefore, trade between the North African/Berber states is low & its the main instigator for Morocco, Algeria & Tunisia to pursue trade relations with West African countries & also increase co-operation to stem the flow of illegal black immigrants coming to North African states.

 

[AbdiGeedi]

@SOMALI GENERAL

That was one long-ass article. What I understood:

1. Sub-Sahara (SS) means black Africa

2. Morocco is steadily penetrating the SS and has the most success among French-speaking West African countries. It doesn't have much progress in getting other countries to validate its occupation of West Sahara.

3. Algeria has non-intervention policy including its investments in Africa.

4. Tunisia has only economical interests in the SS.

5. Libya is failed state at the moment.

6. Egypt is mostly preoccupied with Ethiopia in regards to the SS

Granted Algeria and Morocco border is shut, it is shocking that the trade volume between the two bordering countries with population around 40 million each is at half a billion dollars level.

 

[AbdiGeedi]

The immediate SS countries like Chad, Niger, Mali, etc are so poor and limited in revenues. The West SS has Nigeria, Ghana and Senegal. They seem to be doing much better.

These pictures are of the two-weeks ago visit of the Turkish FM to poverty Niger. Somalia government receptions look much much better.

Prime Minister Brigi Rafini of Niger receives Cavusoglu:

FM Kalla Ankourao of Niger and the Turkish FM Cavusoglu:

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

@SOMALI GENERAL

That was one long-ass article. What I understood:

1. Sub-Sahara (SS) means black Africa

2. Morocco is steadily penetrating the SS and has the most success among French-speaking West African countries. It doesn't have much progress in getting other countries to validate its occupation of West Sahara.

3. Algeria has non-intervention policy including its investments in Africa.

4. Tunisia has only economical interests in the SS.

5. Libya is failed state at the moment.

6. Egypt is mostly preoccupied with Ethiopia in regards to the SS

Granted Algeria and Morocco border is shut, it is shocking that the trade volume between the two bordering countries with population around 40 million each is at half a billion dollars level.

A while back, Morocco had shown interest in joining ECOWAS although they share no land border with any of the member states. Morocco desired to dislodge Nigeria from its supreme position within the regional bloc and utilise their advanced economic status (in relation to West African States) by trying to gain ECOWAS membership to increase their exports to West Africa that is enabled by the tariff-free arrangement.

In addition, Morocco is seen as one of the most attractive destination for FDI in Africa for Western & Asian Companies and the Moroccans want to open up more markets for their burgeoning economy & joining ECOWAS was one of their tactics to boost tariff-free trade.

 

[Pioneer]

A while back, Morocco had shown interest in joining ECOWAS although they share no land border with any of the member states. Morocco desired to dislodge Nigeria from its supreme position within the regional bloc and utilise their advanced economic status (in relation to West African States) by trying to gain ECOWAS membership to increase their exports to West Africa that is enabled by the tariff-free arrangement.

In addition, Morocco is seen as one of the most attractive destination for FDI in Africa for Western & Asian Companies and the Moroccans want to open up more markets for their burgeoning economy & joining ECOWAS was one of their tactics to boost tariff-free trade.

Yeah, i was following that game changer story about Morroco begging to join Ecowas.
Some West african countries did not like it especially Nigeria, they said if they allow

Morroco to join, that they will kill their industries by dumping cheap European goods
through Morroco which has free trade with Europe.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Yeah, i was following that game changer story about Morroco begging to join Ecowas.
Some West african countries did not like it especially Nigeria, they said if they allow

Morroco to join, that they will kill their industries by dumping cheap European goods
through Morroco which has free trade with Europe.

I believe the main issue that prevented Morocco from being admitted into the organisation was the protocol of free movement of people that is facilitated by ECOWAS, since Moroccans don't want a large influx of foreigners into their country.

Essentially, Morocco wanted a seat at the table and get a piece of the pie without becoming a fully committed member of ECOWAS. Moroccan companies need economies of scale & know the Sub-Saharan companies are no match for them & have been pushing for their government to pursue favourable trading terms with West African states to enter their markets to export their goods to ensure the growth of Morocco's industrial capacity.

 

[Asaana]

It is a natural step by the MENA countries and they have along way to go.

Unfortunately none of the Arab countries in the article are known for their development programs in the Sub-Saharan countries or even as an investment source. In terms of Nile, Egypt got cucked and it appears it has very little sway over Ethiopia, except for the verbal threats and diplomatic pleasantries. Sudan is facing famine at the moment. Egypt is nowhere to be seen helping Sudan to right itself.

France still has a strong military, economic and political grip on Sahel.

By the way, Turkey is viewed by the Sub-Saharan and West African countries as a country that can bring infrastructure development. The Turks built airports, railroads, provided electricity, etc.

This is the airport Turkey built in Senegal's capital Dakar:




The MENA countries should shake off their habit of depending on the whims of the Gulf monarchs and steer clear of the farcical Arab League. Right now Lebanon's economy is collapsing. The IMF refused to bail it out unless it implements rigid reforms. France politely excused itself from Lebanon. Not surprisingly the Arab League is absent.

Sudan isn't facing a famine right now. A quarter of people are food insecure due to the pandemic, but nothing like a famine. The country exported thousands of tons of food to countries in the gulf, and this number is booming since Egyptian crops are now seen as dirty by gulf arabs (and sudanese meat is seen as the best in the arab world).

^ This was a big deal as Sudan usually only exports live meat, so now more money is being made as it's slaughtered and packaged in Sudan.

Even Kuwaitis have mocked Egyptian products in favor of Sudanese ones lmao

 

[AbdiGeedi]

@Asaana Are you @xabashi 's Sudanese version?

There are severe food shortages in Sudan right now.

Instead of serving your white Arab masters, feed your own people first!

Sudan Faces Worst Food Crisis in Recent History

Sudan is facing the worst food security crisis in its recent history according to the United Nations. Nearly a quarter of Sudan’s 45 million population is severely food insecure, including those living in the capital, Khartoum. This month 10 humanitarian partners in Sudan, including the U.S.

www.voanews.com

Number of Sudanese children facing extreme hunger doubles to 1.1 million due to impact of COVID-19 - Sudan

News and Press Release in English on Sudan about Food and Nutrition and Epidemic; published on 8 Jul 2020 by Save the Children

reliefweb.int

'We had to eat our seeds for planting': 10 million in Sudan facing food shortages

UN warns coronavirus restrictions prevent access to most vulnerable and rising prices are leaving many going hungry

www.theguardian.com

 

[Asaana]

@Asaana Are you @xabashi 's Sudanese version?

There are severe food shortages in Sudan right now.

Instead of serving your white Arab masters, feed your own people first!

Sudan Faces Worst Food Crisis in Recent History

Sudan is facing the worst food security crisis in its recent history according to the United Nations. Nearly a quarter of Sudan’s 45 million population is severely food insecure, including those living in the capital, Khartoum. This month 10 humanitarian partners in Sudan, including the U.S.

www.voanews.com

Number of Sudanese children facing extreme hunger doubles to 1.1 million due to impact of COVID-19 - Sudan

News and Press Release in English on Sudan about Food and Nutrition and Epidemic; published on 8 Jul 2020 by Save the Children

reliefweb.int

'We had to eat our seeds for planting': 10 million in Sudan facing food shortages

UN warns coronavirus restrictions prevent access to most vulnerable and rising prices are leaving many going hungry

www.theguardian.com

I've read all those articles before. A country of 40 million and only 1.1 children are struggling with food according to one link, and the others say 10-11 million people (25% of country), which is your typical African country but now there's actually a pandemic.

Arab masters? You seem to have an inferiority complex for viewing Arabs above Africans. Anyways, the money made by selling the crops is contributing to the economy. The ones starving are from western-southern sudan (and their refugees in Khartoum), they don't know how to farm which explains why they've resorted to eating seeds.

 

[AbdiGeedi]

@Asaana re-read your own words:

"A country of 40 million and only 1.1 children are struggling with food according to one link, and the others say 10-11 million people (25% of country), which is your typical African country but now there's actually a pandemic.

The ones starving are from western-southern sudan (and their refugees in Khartoum), they don't know how to farm which explains why they've resorted to eating seeds. "



"Sudan isn't facing a famine right now. A quarter of people are food insecure due to the pandemic, but nothing like a famine. The country exported thousands of tons of food to countries in the gulf, and this number is booming since Egyptian crops are now seen as dirty by gulf arabs (and sudanese meat is seen as the best in the arab world)."

You talk about inferiority complex when you discount starvation in Sudan as an African thing and boast about exporting to fat Arabs.

I learned one thing about Sudanese, you do not care about your own people.

 

[Asaana]

@Asaana re-read your own words:

"A country of 40 million and only 1.1 children are struggling with food according to one link, and the others say 10-11 million people (25% of country), which is your typical African country but now there's actually a pandemic.

The ones starving are from western-southern sudan (and their refugees in Khartoum), they don't know how to farm which explains why they've resorted to eating seeds. "



"Sudan isn't facing a famine right now. A quarter of people are food insecure due to the pandemic, but nothing like a famine. The country exported thousands of tons of food to countries in the gulf, and this number is booming since Egyptian crops are now seen as dirty by gulf arabs (and sudanese meat is seen as the best in the arab world)."

You talk about inferiority complex when you discount starvation in Sudan as an African thing and boast about exporting to fat Arabs.

I learned one thing about Sudanese, you do not care about your own people.

Do you know what a famine is? There is no scarcity of food, the issue is it's nearly impossible to transport crops to the southern belt (where most of the food insecurity is) due to the difficulty of transportation due to the fuel crisis. Which makes it easier to export it via Port Sudan then use that $ to financially support the poor.

So if the country doesn't care about it's people, then why are they being financially supported? The farmers in the North-central region make a lot of money by selling it, and that money is used to support those in poorer regions but sadly you're too dense to understand how economics works. Sorry for refuting your claim that the Turkish daddies you were clapping your cheeks for earlier are the only ones that Africans can benefit from doing business with.

 

[AbdiGeedi]

@Asaana

Thank you for proving my point. Sudanese lives don't matter!

'cause it is impossible to transport crops to the suffering people.

While Sudan sends Janjaweeds to Libya.

 

[repo]

Sudan isn't facing a famine right now. A quarter of people are food insecure due to the pandemic, but nothing like a famine. The country exported thousands of tons of food to countries in the gulf, and this number is booming since Egyptian crops are now seen as dirty by gulf arabs (and sudanese meat is seen as the best in the arab world).

^ This was a big deal as Sudan usually only exports live meat, so now more money is being made as it's slaughtered and packaged in Sudan.

Even Kuwaitis have mocked Egyptian products in favor of Sudanese ones lmao

Why are they considered dirty products?

 

[Asaana]

@Asaana

Thank you for proving my point. Sudanese lives don't matter!

'cause it is impossible to transport crops to the suffering people.

While Sudan sends Janjaweeds to Libya.

Yes Sudanese lives don't matter which is why the government gives Sudanese people in need cash while other countries in the region leave their people to rot and die like cattle.

And those janjaweed voluntarily go to Libya for money, just like how American soldiers go to shithole countries for a free house and benefits.

 

[Asaana]

Why are they considered dirty products?

Egyptians use filthy water to grow crops. They use to get away with it in the past but now the Nile is very polluted by the time it flows to northern Egypt (the nile delta in particular is a disaster). Some of them even use sewage water to irrigate and the terrible quality shows up in the fruit and vegetables that they export.

 

[AbdiGeedi]

while other countries in the region leave their people to rot and die like cattle.

Exactly. Sudan is a guiding beacon in the region on how to treat people so that they don't rot and die like cattle.

 

[AbdiGeedi]

Egyptians use filthy water to grow crops. They use to get away with it in the past but now the Nile is very polluted by the time it flows to northern Egypt (the nile delta in particular is a disaster). Some of them even use sewage water to irrigate and the terrible quality shows up in the fruit and vegetables that they export.

I understood that the water quality and water shortage problems in Egypt precede the GERD dam filling issue.

 

[Asaana]

Exactly. Sudan is a guiding beacon in the region on how to treat people so that they don't rot and die like cattle.

I'm happy to see the people of Darfur expressing freedom of speech and protesting against the janjaweed, this would've been impossible prior to 2019. Himedti is a corrupt man that needs to go, but the country still came far from the 30 years of hell under the kezan as can see by Hamdoks reforms.

I understood that the water quality and water shortage problems in Egypt proceed the GERD dam filling issue.

The first stage of filling is complete and the Nile is still full since it's the rainy season right now. The issue is the Nile delta is overpopulated so the water is now barely reaching the Mediterranean. Egyptians grow water intensive crops like rice and cotton, which was possible when their population was 25 million but now they have 100 million people + Sudan is starting to use more water and Ethiopia is building multiple dams.

Egypt should just focus on industry and services, in the future they'll only have enough water for drinking, showering, and maybe a few parks/golf courses.