Nomadic african pastoralists in the neolithic arabian peninsula ?

[Midas]

Discalmer : this is mere speculation

Considering the evidence we now have for cattle domestication in the middle nile contemporary with that of the near east . But of a more nomadic pastoralism bent

What is the possibility that these guys spread nomadic pastoralism to the Arabian peninsula in the neolithic period.

The reason im entertaining this is because the earliest anicnet dna we have for the Arabian peninsula is from 300 b.c in eastern Arabia.
@Shimbiris @The alchemist

 

[Midas]

Related to this

Considering this was the state of africa and the Arabian peninsula in 12000 b.c its very likely that whatever hunter gathers had existed in the arabian penisula and sudan/eygpt probably died out since were talking groups of several dozen to a few hundred people. So people obviously had to repouplate the areas after this as the climate improved over the next few millenia.

 

[Midas]

So basically I was thinking something along the lines of
1) proto-Cushitic hunter gathers coming out from their refuge in the horn of africa slowly and then reaching lower nubia
2) where they somehow domesticated cattle around 10 thosuand years ago for nomadic pasotralism and then expand from their in both directions.

 

[Midas]

Maybe the signs were everywhere but nobody ever connected the dots. @NidarNidar @Idilinaa

 

[Midas]

Holy shit I think i just had the biggest realization ever.

 

[Midas]

Look at the difference between the eygptian vs the mesptomain underworld.

 

[Midas]

It seems pretty clear to me that the eygptian relegion and obsession with death and tomb/pyramid building is an outgrowth of this cattle cult and the megalthic tombs of these earlier African pastoralists. Whereas memsptomoans had no real intrest or conception of an underworld/afterlife outside it being a dark place.

I dont think you would built tombs if you didnt think the afterlife was significant amd instead assumed it was just a dark place.

 

[Midas]

Oldest eygptians texts from around 2400-2300 b.c. look at how developed their conception of the afterlife already was.

Compare this with the oldest nonadminstttive sumerian literature which is this kesh hymn. The myth literature stuff like the epic of gilgamesh only begins to develop after 2000 b.c

 

[The alchemist]

I've talked about this before, but it's way more complicated than you think because it entails influences at different times that were perhaps bi-directional.

 

[Midas]

I've talked about this before, but it's way more complicated than you think because it entails influences at different times that were perhaps bi-directional.

There was undeniably bidirectional influence .

we have this cattle cult + megalthic funerary tradition in the middle nile area in nubia and upper eygt that withn a millenia or two of its emergence appears suddenly in the arabian penisula.

But whatI I've never seen anybody mention or comment on is the fact that none of the culutres of the near east from the sumerians in 3000 b.c to the Israelite kingdoms of the first millennium b.c seem to have any interest or conception of an afterlife. Yet we have this obsession with the afterlife and megalithic tomb building from the beginning of eygptan civilization. Where did this come from ?

To me the implication is very much that these semetic farmers and the nearby semetic pastoralists who never developed an intrest in the afterlife couldn't have built these megalithic funerary structures that dot the Arabian peninsula. Why would they? considering the afterlife was some dark shadow realm they go to when they died.

We even see this mentality in the pre-Islamic pagan Arabs which thr quran mentions denied the existence of an afterlife.

 

[The alchemist]

There was undeniably bidirectional influence .

we have this cattle cult + megalthic funerary tradition in the middle nile area in nubia and upper eygt that withn a millenia or two of its emergence appears suddenly in the arabian penisula.

But whatI I've never seen anybody mention or comment on is the fact that none of the culutres of the near east from the sumerians in 3000 b.c to the Israelite kingdoms of the first millennium b.c seem to have any interest or conception of an afterlife. Yet we have this obsession with the afterlife and megalithic tomb building from the beginning of eygptan civilization. Where did this come from ?

To me the implication is very much that these semetic farmers and the nearby semetic pastoralists who never developed an intrest in the afterlife couldn't have built these megalithic funerary structures that dot the Arabian peninsula. Why would they? considering the afterlife was some dark shadow realm they go to when they died.

We even see this mentality in the pre-Islamic pagan Arabs which thr quran mentions denied the existence of an afterlife.

These megalith cultures arrived before the Semites were even a thing. The ideology was Nubian. But there are other issues that make things a bit confusing.

 

[Midas]

There was undeniably bidirectional influence .

we have this cattle cult + megalthic funerary tradition in the middle nile area in nubia and upper eygt that withn a millenia or two of its emergence appears suddenly in the arabian penisula.

But whatI I've never seen anybody mention or comment on is the fact that none of the culutres of the near east from the sumerians in 3000 b.c to the Israelite kingdoms of the first millennium b.c seem to have any interest or conception of an afterlife. Yet we have this obsession with the afterlife and megalithic tomb building from the beginning of eygptan civilization. Where did this come from ?

To me the implication is very much that these semetic farmers and the nearby semetic pastoralists who never developed an intrest in the afterlife couldn't have built these megalithic funerary structures that dot the Arabian peninsula. Why would they? considering the afterlife was some dark shadow realm they go to when they died.

We even see this mentality in the pre-Islamic pagan Arabs which thr quran mentions denied the existence of an afterlife.

Wouldn't it be funny if the qahtan/Adnan division

Was a distant memory of these more pure northeast African pastoralists from the south amd the former agriculturalists now turned pastoralists from the Levant who migrated down.

 

[Midas]

These megalith cultures arrived before the Semites were even a thing. The ideology was Nubian. But there are other issues that make things a bit confusing.

Maybe semites was the wrong term to emphasize.

None of the culutres of the Levant or mesptomia seemed to have developed a conception of the afterlife/underworld and they all seemed to have no interest in it.

Pastoralism seems to have been what allowed a pouplation expansion in the arabian penisula and not agriculture