Bottom line is they were still Negroids/SSA
Even the Nilote wasn't Negroid.
We Somalis are SSA so that's cool. But Negroid is false. Somalis have no West African/Bantu/Negroid.
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Even the Nilote wasn't Negroid.
We Somalis are SSA so that's cool. But Negroid is false. Somalis have no West African/Bantu/Negroid.
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What on earth are you talking about?Even the Nilote wasn't Negroid.
We Somalis are SSA so that's cool. But Negroid is false. Somalis have no West African/Bantu/Negroid.
Nilotes are a sub-group of the wider Black African family. There's no point trying to play mental gymnastics to try and neglect your SSA/Black African ancestry lmao. Pure Nilotes were still Black African.
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Your right, I just checked. Nilotes are definitely Negroid... I had the Bantu in mind.
Somalis are not a 'mixed race' population due to an admixture that occured before the Neolithic. That's just insane. Do you know how long ago that was? Cushitic speakers today are by all counts a distinct ethnic and lingusitic group.
If Somalis are 'mixed' due to admixture in pre-agricultural Neolithia, then so are White Europeans, Arabs, Jews, Aboriginals, Bantus, Nilotes and every other ethnic group in the world.
Your right, I just checked. Nilotes are definitely Negroid... I had the Bantu in mind.
Somalis are not a 'mixed race' population due to an admixture that occured before the Neolithic. That's just insane. Do you know how long ago that was?
Cushitic speakers today are by all counts a distinct ethnic and lingusitic group.If Somalis are 'mixed' due to admixture in pre-agricultural Neolithia, then so are White Europeans, Arabs, Jews, Aboriginals, Bantus, Nilotes and every other ethnic group in the world.
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According to your criteria, that means every race on the earth is hybrid. If Somalis are an ancient hybrid group due to admixture from before the Neolithic revolution... Then every single ethnic group on the face of the earth is an ancient hybrid people too. Even Bantus are mixed, same goes for Europeans, Arabs, Jews, even aboriginals
That's what you should have mentioned.
Say the whole world are ancient hybrids and then we will agree. Don't just single out Somalis/Cushites.
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What sets our ancient mixture apart from the other ancient mixtures is that ours is composed of two groups that come from two completely different racial groups, one being North African/Eurasian & the other being Nilotic/SSA. On an appearance basis, one group had Black African features & the other had Caucasoid features.
Europeans and Asian groups are genuine races, not hybrids. For example, various European ethnic groups today descend only from Caucasoid Eurasian groups that mixed with another.
We're basically the world's first ever "mix-race" population
What sets our ancient mixture from the other ancient mixtures is that ours is composed of two groups that come from two completely different racial groups, one being North African/Eurasian & the other being Nilotic/SSA. One an appearance basis, one group had Black African features & the other had Caucasoid features.
Europeans and Asians are genuine races, not hybrids. For example, various European ethnic groups today descend only from Caucasoid Eurasian groups that mixed with another.
We're basically the world's first ever "mix-race" population
Absolute nonsense, Europe has one of the most diverse haplogroups in the World, same goes for Asia. The hypothesis is all E haplogroups originated in Africa, even though the specific clade originated in Europe, the parent clade of E-V13 originated in Africa. R1 originated in Central Asia, J originated in the Middle East. Arabs also are considerably of the E haplogroup.
You've trapped yourself because if you claim E is originally from the Middle East, then you'll have to concede that Bantus are originally a hybrid mixed race too.
Europeans and East Asians are mixed with 'pre human' neanderthal and Asians who have considerable 'pre-human' denisovan, so they cant be pure, its funny because the argument that Somalis are mixed is cited by using neanderthal DNA as evidence.
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Haplogroups are separate from Autosomal racial ancestry. Haplogroup E did indeed originate in West Asia, not in Africa. Btw, West Africans also carry archaic non-homo sapien admixture too at much higher rates than Euros & Asians carrying Neanderthal admixture. Furthermore, the E haplogroup was exclusively carried by Ancient Afro-Asiatic people only.Absolute nonsense, Europe has one of the most diverse haplogroups in the World, same goes for Asia. The hypothesis is all E haplogroups originated in Africa, even though the specific clade originated in Europe, the parent clade of E-V13 originated in Africa. R1 originated in Central Asia, J originated in the Middle East. Arabs also are considerably of the E haplogroup.
You've trapped yourself because if you claim E is originally from the Middle East, then you'll have to concede that Bantus are originally a hybrid mixed race too.
Europeans and East Asians are mixed with 'pre human' neanderthal and Asians who have considerable 'pre-human' denisovan, so they cant be pure, its funny because the argument that Somalis are mixed is cited by using neanderthal DNA as evidence.
The false notion that the E haplogroup originated in Africa is afrocentric garbage...
You can be 100% Bantu & still carry a Paternal lineage that originates in West Asia. Btw, all Semites previously carried the E haplogroup, but were paternally cucked by J's from the Caucasus mountains. However, racially Arabs are still racially "semitic".
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Haplogroups are separate from Autosomal racial ancestry. Haplogroup E did indeed originate in West Asia, not in Africa. Btw, West Africans also carry archaic non-homo sapien admixture too at much higher rates than Euros & Asians carrying Neanderthal admixture. Furthermore, the E haplogroup was exclusively carried by Ancient Afro-Asiatic people only.
The false notion that the E haplogroup originated in Africa is afrocentric garbage...
You can be 100% Bantu & still carry a Paternal lineage that originates in West Asia. Btw, all Semites previously carried the E haplogroup, but were paternally cucked by J's from the Caucasus mountains. However, racially Arabs are still racially "semitic".
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There is still debate, where Haplogroup E originated, it's not Afrocentric, it's a very popular theory. You can never change that. You cannot label Afrocentric when it suits you and when your views are challenged.
Concerning haplogroups, they might not be useful in determining ethnicity or linguistic classification but its extremely essential in determing human ancestry and migration patterns which led to admixture.
So, according to you Bantus have origins in the Middle East. You cannot absolutely run away from a fact you yourself support. Your being disingenuous otherwise.
So it would be interesting to know why you do not consider Bantus as being a hybrid race... Considering they are paternally from West Asia? Care to clarify? Please don't change the subject.
Did they become black through admixture? What exactly happened?
This is going by your theory that they are West Asia. Looking forward to hearing from your theories.
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I never said Bantus originated in West Asia paternally lmao...their origin is still Sub-Sahara African
Bantus had Sub-Saharan African paternal haplogroups prior to acquiring the E haplogroup. I believe ancient Afro-Asiatic men went deep into the jungles of west africa & impregnated west african women, but their descendants are purely Bantus that happen to inherit their version of the E haplogroup.
@Apollo can give a better insight as to how the bantus acquired the E haplogroup.
I never said Bantus originated in West Asia paternally lmao...
Bantus had Sub-Saharan African paternal haplogroups prior to acquiring the E haplogroup. I believe ancient Afro-Asiatic men went deep into the jungles of west africa & impregnated west african women, but their descendants are purely Bantus that happen to inherit their version of the E haplogroup.
I don't think you have any leg to stand on anymore. You've just contradicted yourself.
So Afro Asiatic men are responsible for the most dominant haplogroup in West Africa, and yet you claim their are 'pure'? Haplogroups aren't money sxb, you cannot inherit it unless you are a direct descendant of that paternal lineage. The way you expressed it was like buying an item from the shop, today I feel a little bit E1b1a miyaa sheekadaa?
So tell me more about how Afro Asiatic men are the paternal ancestors of the Bantus.
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You can be 100% bantu and carry a haplogroup that originates in West Asia.I don't think you have any leg to stand on anymore. You've just contradicted yourself.
So Afro Asiatic men are responsible for the most dominant haplogroup in West Africa, and yet you claim their are 'pure'?
Go search up Bantu genetics & you'll find they're largely of Sub-Sahara/Niger-Congo extraction, haplogroups are irrelevant.
Quick maths :siilaanyosmile:
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swirled successors n shietThe Master *mixed* race
Dude why are you tiptoeing around the elephant?
Your contradicting yourself after you found out that you put yourself in a hole, did you not say that Afro Asiatic men came and banged West African women, producing the Bantus?
And now your saying they're 100%? Throw in the towel sxb. Stop this.
How did they manage to get a West Asian paternal Haplogroup unless there was somewhat of an admixture that took place in the past? Bear in mind this Haplogroup is the most dominant in Bantus.
Haplogroups determine ancestry! If E is West Asian, that means a West Asian dude is the great great great grandfather of the Bantus. Do you need me to explain Haplogroups for Dummies?
Are you illiterate? Nobody is talking about ethnicity, but ancestry.
Quick maths :siilaanyosmile:
Guy on the left has West African ancestry, whereas Somalis have 0% West African.
yea ik current nilotics arent purely nilote but he looks mostly nilote to me
The Somali phenotype existed before Proto Nilotes.
The earliest Proto Nilotes existed in the 2nd Millenium BC. So its factually incorrect to call them Nilotes.
Whoever they were, they were Ancestral East Africans.
Actually HG E can't be for Afro-Asiatic people only because it's much older than the language groups.Haplogroups are separate from Autosomal racial ancestry. Haplogroup E did indeed originate in West Asia, not in Africa. Btw, West Africans also carry archaic non-homo sapien admixture too at much higher rates than Euros & Asians carrying Neanderthal admixture. Furthermore, the E haplogroup was exclusively carried by Ancient Afro-Asiatic people only.
The false notion that the E haplogroup originated in Africa is afrocentric garbage...
You can be 100% Bantu & still carry a Paternal lineage that originates in West Asia. Btw, all Semites previously carried the E haplogroup, but were paternally cucked by J's from the Caucasus mountains. However, racially Arabs are still racially "semitic".
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