News outlets unverified Israeli media outlets claiming that Somaliland will join Abraham accords

[Jaffar]

Ictiraf in exchange for becoming a permanent Zionist military base to launch attacks on Yemen and Iran and other regions Israel wants to destabilize and do you think they wont strike back? This is how short sighted the SNM regime is. This is just Israel doing the usual lobbying and influence peddling, nothing will happen just like every other time for last 34 years. Also Visagrad as a sources is laughable. Its a Finnish far right dish rag with no credibility. Africa Union and UN would not allow this to happen especially after Somalia joined the East African Community. Its just another episode of keeping up the charade.

The un called Israel to be committing genocide and there was not a single sanction I wouldn’t put many hopes on the un if Israel and us decide to do
A thing they do it we seen it how they destroyed irans nuclear capabilities The hope can only be china a balancing factor to the USA influence in the region

 

[caano_shaah]

The un called Israel to be committing genocide and there was not a single sanction I wouldn’t put many hopes on the un if Israel and us decide to do
A thing they do it we seen it how they destroyed irans nuclear capabilities The hope can only be china a balancing factor to the USA influence in the region

China and the Arab League also support the unity of Somalia so that's not a factor either. This whole thing has almost zero support beyond Ethiopia who has always sought to occupy our lands for centuries and maybe the US for military purposes and that's it. And with the recent inauguration of the North Eastern State, SL unity and territorial claims has official been killed. Its a dead SNM qabil project. The only ones that still support this nonsense project are the ones who always sought to further Balkanize our land and that circle has been shrinking over the years. 34 years of living a lie and believing SNM propaganda, its time to move on from this SNM manufactured fantasy qabil project and join us in our state building process and then liberate Galbeed. Balkanizing our land further will not do us any favors.

 

[peterpeter]

China and the Arab League also support the unity of Somalia so that's not a factor either. This whole thing has almost zero support beyond Ethiopia who has always sought to occupy our lands for centuries and maybe the US for military purposes and that's it. And with the recent inauguration of the North Eastern State, SL unity and territorial claims has official been killed. Its a dead SNM qabil project. The only ones that still support this nonsense project are the ones who always sought to further Balkanize our land and that circle has been shrinking over the years. 34 years of living a lie and believing SNM propaganda, its time to move on from this SNM manufactured fantasy qabil project and join us in our state building process and then liberate Galbeed. Balkanizing our land further will not do us any favors.

but what have you done with the territory youve got so far its easy saying all of this but youre in the same spot despite all this support even syria and iraq are rebuilding now

 

[caano_shaah]

but what have you done with the territory youve got so far its easy saying all of this but youre in the same spot despite all this support

State building takes time especially after a brutal civil war that caused a total collapse of state insitutions and with no foreign help with rebuilding until Turkey arrived in 2011. It took Italy and France over 100 years to complete their state building process and during that time they were in a state of civil war. Even after WW2, European states had billions of dollars injected by the US under the Marshall plan to accelerate stabilization and rebuilding. China was also in a similar situation that we are in today where various ethnic groups and clans controlled different parts of china and were warring against each other for decades. If you couldnt get ictiraf when Somalia was at its lowest, why do you think you can now that the SNM regime has a much weaker case today.

even syria and iraq are rebuilding now

Syria and Iraq have a steady stream of oil revenue, thats the big advantage oil producing Arab states have always had when it comes to rebuilding. FGS had to rely on diaspora and private sector to help fund infrastructure projects and devopment. Its not the same.

 

[Garaad Awal]

They was just looting and stealing for 20 years and somehow found themselves among the league of nations, talking balkanization and other things that normal countries do. Can't blame them for their delusion. When the Africans pack up and the west leaves they will go back to their usual condition.

@RiceMuncher speaks as if he has a functional centralized govt. absolutely insane fellow

 

[peterpeter]

State building takes time especially when its divided by qabiil states. It took Italy and France over 100 years to complete their state building process and during that time they were in a state of civil war. China was also in a similar situation that we are in today where varios ethnicities and clans controlled different parts of china and were warring against each other. If you couldnt get ictiraf when Somalia was at its lowest, why do you think you can now that the SNM regime as a much weaker case today.


Syria and Iraq have a steady stream of oil revenue, thats the big advantage oil producing Arab states have always had when it comes to rebuilding. FGS had to rely on diaspora and private sector to help fund infrastructure projects and devopment. Its not the same.

I agree with some points but why did their people come together to rebuild in a third of the time its taken Somalia, also is the SNM regime really weaker today, barring skirmishes on the far east the overwhelming majority of SL'ers still want to seperate regardless, talks will need to happen with them, they also dont want to unite with the South either though this is a key distinction that needs to be made.

The first point is interesting cos i really do agree with it, but China underwent massive cultural reforms which Somalis wont undergo, if that happened and Somalis completley abandoned the culture which holds it back it

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

State building takes time especially after a brutal civil war that caused a total collapse of state insitutions and with no foreign help with rebuilding until Turkey arrived in 2011. It took Italy and France over 100 years to complete their state building process and during that time they were in a state of civil war. China was also in a similar situation that we are in today where varios ethnicities and clans controlled different parts of china and were warring against each other. If you couldnt get ictiraf when Somalia was at its lowest, why do you think you can now that the SNM regime as a much weaker case today.


Syria and Iraq have a steady stream of oil revenue, thats the big advantage oil producing Arab states have always had when it comes to rebuilding. FGS had to rely on diaspora and private sector to help fund infrastructure projects and devopment. Its not the same.

European State building didn't involve Ugandan troops. It was their own people organizing through diplomacy and military means and national identity.

Somalia is a historic state which foreign powers tried to revive unsuccesfully. They are trying to use E-visa.

 

[RiceMuncher]

@RiceMuncher speaks as if he has a functional centralized govt. absolutely insane fellow

Only facts sxb, no hate ee dar alle isku deji. Lacagtana acccounka xamar kusoo shub

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

Only facts sxb, no hate ee dar alle isku deji. Lacagtana acccounka xamar kusoo shub

In business you cater to the client expectation. The FGS cater to mooryan expectation of governement not actual government lol. Air isbaaro and nothing else so dont cry when it collapse over night.

 

[RiceMuncher]

In business you cater to the client expectation. The FGS cater to mooryan expectation of governement not actual government lol. Air isbaaro and nothing else so dont cry when it collapse over night.

If it collapses, I got fam in Burco and Hargeisa. I will just put on a new shaar and sing 18ka may! Until then, shutup and pay up

 

[Afar indhood]

Balkanizing Somalia lol. Do Hawiye Somalians live on planet earth with us?

Hawiye this, Hawiye that.
Were it not for us defeating Afweyne, you'd still be under Daarood boots. We emancipated you. Show some gratitude.

 

[Jaffar]

Hawiye this, Hawiye that.
Were it not for us defeating Afweyne, you'd still be under Daarood boots. We emancipated you. Show some gratitude.

But that would mean you to would remain under the boot of siad bare and the daarood. But give credit where it’s due siyad barre used alll his strength to keep the north under his rule . They did the bulk of the fighting and even led the Hawiyes operate under the snm banner weren’t hawiye part of the snm prior to making their own usc . Wasn’t a man named ali wardhiiglay a deputy chairmen of the snm . Also what we do know the snm used to killl their pows if they were daarood but if they were hawiye they used to let them go and made sure they joined the usc rebel movement . Give credit to your irir brethering . This bickering between Hargeisa and Mogadishu is just childish . You help them and let them help you .ama midooba ama si walaaltinimo ku Kala taga ha iska. Laalaadina these e visa stuff is just making sure. The hatred will continue this is just pure harassment

 

[caano_shaah]

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mfs will publish Yahuud psyops just to keep up this monthly "ictiraf is coming soon guys, dont worry". They're at a point of using Visegrad is a source

 

[Garaad Awal]

Hawiye this, Hawiye that.
Were it not for us defeating Afweyne, you'd still be under Daarood boots. We emancipated you. Show some gratitude.

You didn’t defeat anything. The entire walanweyn army was up North which included Hawiye.There’s a reason there was an Isaaq genocide and not a Hawiye one. Hawiye are a coward savage race who saw an opportunity and even then it was Isaaqs who pushed you behind the scene to take up arms & create USC in Rome.

Hawiye are the same people who get fondled by Bantus in Xamar airport. Only delusional Hawiye believe that their Hawiye/Bantu/Raxanweyn capital will rule the free Isaaq nation

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

If it collapses, I got fam in Burco and Hargeisa. I will just put on a new shaar and sing 18ka may! Until then, shutup and pay up

So until the mooryan government collapses you will support it?

Why waste your time. The whole thing is bad joke. HSM is deserving academy award for his performance, the UN, all of them. They know the truth.

 

[Jaffar]

To be honest the federal goverment depends to much on Foregn troops if the money dries up one way or the other , Alshabab wil retake all the land, And that means we go back to dawlada kumeel gaadhka back to Embegati Eldoret 2003. I ALWAYS say Mogadishu is the sick man in Somalia , u cant fix Mogadishu. U need to move away from Mogadishu, i also dont think the Sepratists in hargeisa are weaker then they were before.. yes they lost a portion of the sool region. But nothing really changed on the ground , yes china supports a unified Somalia and so does the Arab league but is that enough to keep the country together caano shaah you rely to much on what others can do for you.. I dont think the separatist in hargeisa are weaker now, or that the Goverment in Mogadishu is any stronger then When cabdilahi Yusuf was president. The only strength you have over the secessionist is the airspace , and i think this will escalate if there is no solution for it.

 

[peterpeter]

I will be honest im not to fond of these israelis backing this project it does make me uneasy

 

[Jaffar]

I will be honest im not to fond of these israelis backing this project it does make me uneasy

israelis and americans are they not all the same

 

[Rizak050]

You have to take some risks to elevate as a nation. Israel can equip SL with state of the art water desalination systems and air defence from Houthi rebels.

 

[Afar indhood]

But that would mean you to would remain under the boot of siad bare and the daarood. But give credit where it’s due siyad barre used alll his strength to keep the north under his rule . They did the bulk of the fighting and even led the Hawiyes operate under the snm banner weren’t hawiye part of the snm prior to making their own usc . Wasn’t a man named ali wardhiiglay a deputy chairmen of the snm . Also what we do know the snm used to killl their pows if they were daarood but if they were hawiye they used to let them go and made sure they joined the usc rebel movement . Give credit to your irir brethering . This bickering between Hargeisa and Mogadishu is just childish . You help them and let them help you .ama midooba ama si walaaltinimo ku Kala taga ha iska. Laalaadina these e visa stuff is just making sure. The hatred will continue this is just pure harassment

He started it.
There was no need to bring up Hawiye. You Qaldaans like to blame Hawiye for anything and have a baseless cuqdad towards us for what Daarood did to you.

You didn’t defeat anything. The entire walanweyn army was up North which included Hawiye.There’s a reason there was an Isaaq genocide and not a Hawiye one. Hawiye are a coward savage race who saw an opportunity and even then it was Isaaqs who pushed you behind the scene to take up arms & create USC in Rome.

Hawiye are the same people who get fondled by Bantus in Xamar airport. Only delusional Hawiye believe that their Hawiye/Bantu/Raxanweyn capital will rule the free Isaaq nation

Who freed Xamar? Who chased MSB to Kenya? SNM was ready to surrender if we hadn’t ousted your oppressors. You call me a coward? Your entire army, armed to the teeth, surrendered to ragtag militias, your generals are still sitting in cages. While I created the Sacbooley ethos, rag who enter battle unarmed and leave with the enemy’s weapons. Be glad there's daarood between us hadii kale waa ku dab saari lahaa.
We fought kacaan since the 70s; you didn’t fire a shot until 88. The Kacaan massacred many, even Daaroods like MJ, but we settled our scores and moved on. Cidna ciil uma qabno. You, meanwhile, let your cuqdad rot into self-hatred until you disowned your own identity for arab-oromism.
No Hawiye seeks you out or your barren lands. We’ve never asked you for anything, not your company, not your brotherhood, not your return.
Pay the visa money, and spare us the marqaan nostalgia.
Your entire clan better commit seppuku, that's the only way you will be cured of your cuqdad, Cuqdad Awal.
Afkaaga Hawiye ha ku soo taagin, waryaa. Ha igu qaraarin for what another man did to you. Hadii kale, aadaa le aadaa.