GENETICS New result in Ethiopia changes the origins of Somalis how have haplogroup T

Juke · 2025-10-29T00:11:45+0000

Shimbiris said:
Respectfully, to compare this to the Reer Gibil-Cad minority among Benadiri Somalis is absurd. That is a tiny subgroup of people historically isolated to a handful of coastal settlements who are of incredibly diverse origins (~20% Desi, ~5-10% SE African Bantu, 20-30% Arab/Iranian/Central Asian, and 30-40% Somali) and whose diverse origins are not found in the wider Somali population outside of a few people neighboring them in Koonfur who can usually recount to you that their ayeeyo or great grandfather or something was a reer Gibil Cad.

These T-L208 people—in comparison—are found all over the Somali gene pool. Even E-Z813 Somalis living hundreds of miles away will pop up with relations (IBD sharing) from Woqooyi who have this lineage and J-P58, which might very well be related to it in its introduction for some of its subclades, is also found all across Somaliweyn at low frequencies as is the mtDNA HV1b1 evidence that @Garaad Awal pointed out on Twitter recently along with probably a couple of other mtDNA lineages we don't know about yet. This is a group that fully assimilated into the overall Somali genepool and assimilated into the culture as a whole; as in, not just in some coastal settlements but fully integrated into the rural pastoral and agro-pastoral culture.

You're comparing apples to oranges here.

What distinct culture? Can you describe it or point it out in any way in relation to T-L208 dominant Somalis? From where I'm sitting it seems to me that anything distinct they may have brought with them has become mainstream in Somali culture all across Somaliweyn. That is to say, I suspect they may have something to do with the introduction of Camel-pastoralism, asiatic admixture in our bovines and caprines (for example, Zebu admixture in the bovines) and possibly also some of the iron metallurgy found among Somalis given that the word for camel among Somalis—and possibly Saho-Afars as well—seems to have an OSA origin and we know our ancestors engaged in a lot of trade with OSA speakers.

They may have also left an autosomal mark that is found homogenously across the Somali genepool like in the case of Habeshas' South-Arabian ancestry. Some on this forum like to argue that the ~10% or so South-Arabian found among Somalis isn't intra-Horn mediated but is in fact from direct Arabian admixture. I think some credence can be lent to that and will go into it in future posts with more detail but again, the point is that whatever mark these people left is not isolated to T-L208 Somalis, whether genetic or cultural.

They clearly left a widespread mark in all Somalis and Northwesterners have simply experienced some sort of founder-effect for the lineage. This really is analogous with pretending J-P58 Amharas are "Semitic" whilst their A-M13 neighbors next door with the same auDNA profile, culture and even IBD sharing with them are "Non-Semitic" Amharas— an obviously absurd suggestion.

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Garaad Awal · 2025-10-29T01:32:08+0000

The Tanzanian PN sample belongs to the basal clade of H1Vb1 which would likely push the clade’s TMRCA further back if it were uploaded to YFull. While FTDNA currently gives it a TMRCA of around 7k ybp, the Somali samples fall under younger subclades beneath the Yemeni lineages. The prevalence of Yemeni samples within H1Vb1 is too substantial to be coincidental.

Edit: I don’t believe the Yemeni presence on the H1Vb1 tree is the result of Horn of Africa related Cushitic maternal geneflow. The absence of other Horners in this branch is also quite evident.

Juke · 2025-10-29T02:10:10+0000

Garaad Awal said:
The Tanzanian PN sample belongs to the basal clade of H1Vb1 which would likely push the clade’s TMRCA further back if it were uploaded to YFull. While FTDNA currently gives it a TMRCA of around 7k ybp, the Somali samples fall under younger subclades beneath the Yemeni lineages. The prevalence of Yemeni samples within H1Vb1 is too substantial to be coincidental.

Edit: I don’t believe the Yemeni presence on the H1Vb1 tree is the result of Horn of Africa related Cushitic maternal geneflow. The absence of other Horners in this branch is also quite evident.

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Wacays · 2025-10-29T08:03:18+0000

T-Y45591 YTree

www.yfull.com

https://jewishdna.net/T.html

https://jewishdna.net/AB-665.html

Wacays · 2025-10-29T11:24:49+0000

Wacays said:
T-Y45591 YTree

www.yfull.com

https://jewishdna.net/T.html

https://jewishdna.net/AB-665.html

A new sample from Saudi Arabia on YFULL uncovered the Jewish side of T-Y45591/T-BY56427

Leiberman · 2025-10-29T12:26:28+0000

Wacays said:
A new sample from Saudi Arabia on YFULL uncovered the Jewish side of T-Y45591/T-BY56427

Why isn’t the sephardic jew on y full

But it may explain something like how the name kahin is found in the north or alamagan: magan david

i also wanted to touch on how on how the name waaq isn’t found in any of the dir clans names or the location that dir live in.
Would you say that saudi sample is related to the jews in khaybar

Araabi · 2025-10-29T14:36:04+0000

Wacays said:
A new sample from Saudi Arabia on YFULL uncovered the Jewish side of T-Y45591/T-BY56427

Is it a Jewish sample?

Wacays · 2025-10-29T14:40:14+0000

Leiberman said:
Why isn’t the sephardic jew on y full

But it may explain something like how the name kahin is found in the north or alamagan: magan david

i also wanted to touch on how on how the name waaq isn’t found in any of the dir clans names or the location that dir live in.
Would you say that saudi sample is related to the jews in khaybar

The individual of Sephardic Jewish ancestry tested with FTDNA and was assigned haplogroup T-FTC74390, a downstream branch of T-Y45591/T-BY56427. To be included in YFULL and accurately assess phylogenetic placement, he needs to undertake the Big Y test, which would position him in a cluster with Saudi and Somali individuals sharing a most recent common ancestor approximately 2,900 years ago.

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Wacays · 2025-10-29T15:17:29+0000

The sample in the link below is Jewish. Its specific branch, T-BY56427, has recently become visible on YFULL after the new sample from Saudi Arabia was added.

https://jewishdna.net/AB-665.html

NidarNidar · 2025-10-29T15:42:46+0000

Wacays said:
The individual of Sephardic Jewish ancestry tested with FTDNA and was assigned haplogroup T-FTC74390, a downstream branch of T-Y45591/T-BY56427. To be included in YFULL and accurately assess phylogenetic placement, he needs to undertake the Big Y test, which would position him in a cluster with Saudi and Somali individuals sharing a most recent common ancestor approximately 2,900 years ago.

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Wacays · 2025-10-29T16:04:15+0000

He joined the private Avotaynu Jewish project on FTDNA.

Arabsiyawi · 2025-10-29T16:35:40+0000

Wacays said:
He joined the private Avotaynu Jewish project on FTDNA.View attachment 376770

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Leiberman · 2025-10-29T16:55:36+0000

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Yh thats another thing ftdna estimates and yfull are way off not even close to eachother

to be honest i dont trust the owners of ftdna even the T Facebook group about semites has beef with the owners because he changed the tmrca date of the peqin dna sample as it matched with historical date of when the jewish kingdom was there and then they altered it so it doesn’t match. And now they aren’t responding to him.

i always knew we were if semitic origin id even go as far as abrahamic but theres so much new info recently on our lineage and yet we arent even close.

The good thing is there are many T samples yet to be put on yfull so i hope in our lifetime we get an answer

Arabsiyawi · 2025-10-29T17:04:48+0000

Leiberman said:
Yh thats another thing ftdna estimates and yfull are way off not even close to eachother

to be honest i dont trust the owners of ftdna even the T Facebook group about semites has beef with the owners because he changed the tmrca date of the peqin dna sample as it matched with historical date of when the jewish kingdom was there and then they altered it so it doesn’t match. And now they aren’t responding to him.

i always knew we were if semitic origin id even go as far as abrahamic but theres so much new info recently on our lineage and yet we arent even close.

The good thing is there are many T samples yet to be put on yfull so i hope in our lifetime we get an answer

Now that’s a whole lot of nonsense lol

moosaid · 2025-10-29T17:09:51+0000

Arabsiyawi said:
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With TMRCA There is a difference between family tree Which says it's back to the Bronze Age but yfull He says it back to Iron Age says
Which is correct?

Garaad Awal · 2025-10-29T18:18:19+0000

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Instead of Sheikh Isaxaaq Binu Axmed Al Hashimi it is now Rav Yitzḥaq ben Yehuda

Leiberman · 2025-10-29T18:29:54+0000

Arabsiyawi said:
Now that’s a whole lot of nonsense lol

How come

Arabsiyawi · 2025-10-29T19:15:03+0000

Garaad Awal said:
Instead of Sheikh Isaxaaq Binu Axmed Al Hashimi it is now Rav Yitzḥaq ben Yehuda

moosaid said:
With TMRCA There is a difference between family tree Which says it's back to the Bronze Age but yfull He says it back to Iron Age says
Which is correct?

They use different methods to calculate them. I'm not an expert but I assume both are well accepted and seem to be legit, so I don't know.

Arabsiyawi · 2025-10-29T19:25:36+0000

Leiberman said:
How come

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