Negative hypothesis: root causes of misogyny and misandry

At work today, one of our colleagues was moving away, and the only lady on our team put together a very nice farewell event incl. bagels & doughnuts for breakfast, light lunch, and after hours feast; whilst waiting to pick up lunch, a young mother left her son, 2-3 years old at most, in his pram next to me, and with a smile at me before nipping out; I tried to interact with the child, and all he did was stare at me with no reaction, granted I am not the most child friendly in the neighbourhood, but not the worse either. After multiple, if unsuccessful attempts on my part, a lady seated on the opposite corner of the restaurant popped over, and it was as if he saw Gabriel in the flesh: cackles, giggles, gibber-gabber, laughter, the works. The lady behind the counter joined the funfare, and on it went. A couple of other blokes, too in waiting, and I glanced at each other in acknowledgement. There was more, but I am cutting the story short to get to the theory.

At that moment, a theory formed in my head: boys who do not grow up with fathers, do not know how to act round men, and vice versa, and then I carried out an impromptu experiment, non-scientific of course, running the idea by the people in the restaurant. The result was congruous, if split. Now, before I share the results, allow me to expand the theory.

Most, not all, young men, who imply, express, or engage in unfavourable, if hostile discourse about women have grown up in households, where women were not regarded outstanding, more of doormats, if impaired in value; in other words, women in their lives, be it mothers, sisters, cousins etc. were deemed more lacking than not, and therefore carry negative attitudes towards women, and grow up to be glorified misogynists.

Equally, young women, who behold, if beguile unfavourable views about men, have very likely grown up in households where men in their lives were either missing, had no role in their upbringing, were abusive, or violent towards them, or were easy pickings to stampede all over; in other words, men in their lives had been more than lacking, and grow up to be beatified misandrists.

Now, like all theories, there are exceptions on the boundaries of the theory, some of which I did consider, and shall share in time.

By all means, critique, or even rubbish the theory, but try to be constructive, reflective, and frank; what say you?
 
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Spot on, however, I would note that social media has an affect on people that they wouldn't like to admit and the type of media a person consumes can slowly start to shape their viewpoints on society (gender, race, personal politics), but ofc nurture plays a massive role.
 
Spot on, however, I would note that social media has an affect on people that they wouldn't like to admit and the type of media a person consumes can slowly start to shape their viewpoints on society (gender, race, personal politics), but ofc nurture plays a massive role.
So, other factors incl. peer pressure, group thinking, social media etc. to consider.

Does social media carry greater weight, and influence than those immediately round you, say mother, sister etc?
 

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There is truth to your theory. I also seen a new approaching phenomenon due to the recent rise in tiktok. Men who grown up with outstanding/ great mothers/women suddenly have a misogynistc view due to not feeling outstanding enough themselves or redpill. Women who grew up with outstanding/ great fathers/men have a misandristic view because their father teaches them "men ain't shit" from a young age/ redpill/ and being exposed to women's horror stories of men on social media. Their worried father warns about the horror of men so early on, they develop that mentality.

Tho absence of either gender parent is something that can heavily influence, I'm actually seeing more of what I stated above in the last several years.
 
There is truth to your theory. I also seen a new approaching phenomenon due to the recent rise in tiktok. Men who grown up with outstanding/ great mothers/women suddenly have a misogynistc view due to not feeling outstanding enough themselves or redpill. Women who grew up with outstanding/ great fathers/men have a misandristic view because their father teaches them "men ain't shit" from a young age/ redpill/ and being exposed to women's horror stories of men on social media. Their worried father warns about the horror of men so early on, they develop that mentality.

Tho absence of either gender parent is something that can heavily influence, I'm actually seeing more of what I stated above in the last several years.
In other words, rebelling, and seeking the opposite of that which one was brought up as.
 
So, other factors incl. peer pressure, group thinking, social media etc. to consider.

Does social media carry greater weight, and influence than those immediately round you, say mother, sister etc?
Regarding people immediately around them, I wouldn't say a contempt towards the women in their life carries as much weight as the attitudes of the father and brothers towards them (like you mentioned in the first bit) and their close friends who have misogynistic views. The views of the younger lot like brothers and friends are in part formed by social media and reinforced by group thinking (which is also seen on social media).
 
Here was the result of the impromptu discussion; out of the 7 people in the restaurant, 4 men and 3 women, partaking in the discussion:

Females:
a) Of the females, 2 said it was more of nature than anything else, and that children develop affinity with mothers, and by extension with other females, more so than fathers, till later.​
b) One suggested it was I, who was lacking paternal streak.​

Males:
c) Of the men, 4 pointed out had the child had a father, or male exposure, his interactions would have been the opposite.​
i) One further added that he initially thought the child might have been autistic with less developed social skills; this was loudly refuted by the mother after her return.​

His mother was indeed a single mother, and confirmed her son had little, if any male interactions, with the exception of strangers, for she only had female siblings with her mother, sisters, and female friends being the only people in her life. You gotta love the Yankees for their informal disposition.

Addendum:
Other theories entertained included:
  • Liberalism, and its pushy sister progressivism, which regressively advance female friendly policies in all matters family related from child rearing to child custody to courts to parenthood etc, breed antipathy in many men as to females, more so amongst men of right-leaning political thinking.
  • Female teachers at primary and intermediate schools, with the majority, if not all teachers in the West being females in the said grades, adversely influence young boys to act more effeminate, and in their youth, boys develop displeasure for women.
  • Luti and tranism cultures play a part in pushing men, on the less masculine spectrum, into isolation, distancing them from women, hence their hostility towards strong, educated women, whom they blame for their inadequacies.
  • Pushy feminists adversely contributes to some men being emasculated, and in turn feeling at a disadvantage.

Postscript:
You might be wondering as to reason a mother would leave her child with complete strangers at a public restaurant; well, we later learnt her sister was the manager at the restaurant.
 
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