GENETICS Natufians

[Aurelian]

What haplogroups they had? And what this sub-clade z830 relates to Natufians?

 

[Nomadic lord]

E1B1B

 

[Zachariah😎❤️]

What haplogroups they had? And what this sub-clade z830 relates to Natufians?

Natufians had Y-DNA haplogroups E1b1b

Haplogroup E1b1 is primarily distributed in Africa,and is present at lower frequencies in the Middle East, mainly in Egypt (40%), Jordan (25%), Israel (20%), Palestine (20%), and Lebanon (17.5%)

 

[Aurelian]

I mean which sub clade of e1b1b?

 

[ZBR]

We waz Natufians

 

[ZBR]

Seriously tho it’s possible Natufians founded ancient Sumer, proto Cushitic history is long

we must thank Allah how long he preserved our history

 

[ZBR]

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

Y-DNA haplogroups

• E1b1b1b2 (xE1b1b1b2a, E1b1b1b2b) - meaning an unspecified branch of E1b1b1b2
• E1b1 (xE1b1a1, E1b1b1b1) - i.e. a branch of E1b1 that is neither E1b1a1 nor E1b1b1b1.
• E1b1b1 - originally classified as CT but further defined as E1b1b1 by Martiniano et al. 2020.

Mitochondrial DNA

• 2) J2
• 1) N1
• 2) R1b

They seem to be primarily West Eurasians with minor North African admixture but yet are dominated by North African male haplogroups


The Iberomaurisians:

Y-DNA haplogroups: All E-M78* except one which is more downstream and the parent of E-V13

MT-DNA haplogroups: Mostly U6 & M1

 

[Aurelian]

Y-DNA haplogroups

• E1b1b1b2 (xE1b1b1b2a, E1b1b1b2b) - meaning an unspecified branch of E1b1b1b2
• E1b1 (xE1b1a1, E1b1b1b1) - i.e. a branch of E1b1 that is neither E1b1a1 nor E1b1b1b1.
• E1b1b1 - originally classified as CT but further defined as E1b1b1 by Martiniano et al. 2020.

Mitochondrial DNA

• 2) J2
• 1) N1
• 2) R1b

They seem to be primarily West Eurasians with minor North African admixture but yet are dominated by North African male haplogroups


The Iberomaurisians:

Y-DNA haplogroups: All E-M78* except one which is more downstream and the parent of E-V13

MT-DNA haplogroups: Mostly U6 & M1

Ok, what the deal with this branch z830?

 

[ZBR]

Y-DNA haplogroups

• E1b1b1b2 (xE1b1b1b2a, E1b1b1b2b) - meaning an unspecified branch of E1b1b1b2
• E1b1 (xE1b1a1, E1b1b1b1) - i.e. a branch of E1b1 that is neither E1b1a1 nor E1b1b1b1.
• E1b1b1 - originally classified as CT but further defined as E1b1b1 by Martiniano et al. 2020.

Mitochondrial DNA

• 2) J2
• 1) N1
• 2) R1b

They seem to be primarily West Eurasians with minor North African admixture but yet are dominated by North African male haplogroups


The Iberomaurisians:

Y-DNA haplogroups: All E-M78* except one which is more downstream and the parent of E-V13

MT-DNA haplogroups: Mostly U6 & M1

They loved white women bad

 

[ZBR]

Also there are e-v12 natafuians, that Wikipedia article purposely glossed over it

 

[Moholin01]

Somalis don’t descend from Natufians. Only Levantine Arabs do. Somali and East African Cushitic speakers descend from pastoralist Cushites in from Upper Egypt/Lower Nubia. Before that, we probably had Neolithic/Mesolithic ancestors from North Africa and the Levant who were similar to the Natufians.

 

[Aurelian]

Somalis don’t descend from Natufians. Only Levantine Arabs do. Somali and East African Cushitic speakers descend from pastoralist Cushites in from Upper Egypt/Lower Nubia. Before that, we probably had Neolithic/Mesolithic ancestors from North Africa and the Levant who were similar to the Natufians.

similar to natufians? I guess NA descend from Natufians as well.

 

[Cognitive]

Seriously tho it’s possible Natufians founded ancient Sumer, proto Cushitic history is long

we must thank Allah how long he preserved our history

Apologies but this is just wewuz in its truest form.
According to Shimbiris' source, Sumerians are majorly Iran-related with Levantine influence.
Natufians didn't live that long to contribute to Sumer. Plus they were short people, making them unfit for a Sumerian's stature. Imagine being a little gracile Natufian and trying to outduel an Iranian-mountain dweller.

Natufians did not speak Cushitic, btw. Cushitic history means Kerma, Axum, Gash Group...etc. Not these primitive Israelites. A Sumerian would look like a random Iraqi victim who's about to receive a headshot by some American/ British/ Russian soldiers, rather than a weird basal Israelite prehistoric man without light skin alleles.

They loved white women bad

The hominids that bred with them were likely not "white" in the modern sense.

Also there are e-v12 natafuians, that Wikipedia article purposely glossed over it

So? That does not change their autosomal ancestry. But this is entirely probable because Natufians were partly descended from a Taforalt-like source. Probably a bunch of prehistoric basal E lineages developed around the eastern Maghreb or Egypt.