Name 1 way that The current FGS is better than the Islamic Courts Union

[Jaale Ugaas]

What gave him a right to his seat? 79 mooryans “Voting” in Nairobi?

No the fact that his goverment was considered dthe legitimate successor to Siyaad barre’s one, the first Somali parliament and presidency since the fall, also even when he came to Somalia and set up camp in jowhar, they still made threats to his safety and told him they would take jowhar, either he came under their ICU, warlord remnants or he left the country, it was his goverment or no goverment at all.

 

[awsaleban667]

No the fact that his goverment was considered dthe legitimate successor to Siyaad barre’s one, the first Somali parliament and presidency since the fall, also even when he came to Somalia and set up camp in jowhar, they still made threats to his safety and told him they would take jowhar, either he came under their ICU, warlord remnants or he left the country, it was his goverment or no goverment at all.

Blah Blah nigga no one gives a shit

 

[Chase]

I heard he said that he regretted bring in Ethiopian troops in 2006 specifically, and that had he known what would've happened afterward, he would not have done it. I can't find the exact source for this, but just ask around and look it up, you will find a lot of people saying this. Regardless, bringing in the Ethiopians in 2006 was definitely one of the biggest mistakes in recent Somali history.

Also, I am not Hawiye.

Show me a direct quote/video, to my knowledge AY was talking about the rebellion the SSDF enacted against the Kacaan, THAT is what he regretted, I'm sure the ICU/Ethiopia debacle contributed towards his final sayings, AUN.

 

[Jaale Ugaas]

Who elected the TFG? The only person who overthrew a democratically elected government was your Idol Siad Barre

Siyaad Barre prevented a civil war in 1960s by filling the security vacuum with his military junta. If he didn’t it would’ve been very clan party for themselves. We would see the equivalent of the civil war and it would last way longer.

 

[Chase]

Abdullahi Yusuf is being tormented in Barzakh and hell is his destination

If you refuse to make takfir on AY your Islam is called into question

The South is doomed, this is legit how they think & operate, sad wallahi.

 

[awsaleban667]

The South is doomed, this is legit how they think & operate, sad wallahi.

This is in line with Muslims scholars have always said seeking help from Kuffar in a civil dispute against fellow Muslims makes you a kaffir
The scholars of Morocco issued a fatwa stating that Muhammad ibn ‘Abdullah as-Sa‘di, one of the kings of Marrakesh, became a disbeliever when he sought the help of the King of Portugal against his paternal uncle.

Source:al-Istiqsaa’ li Akhbaar Duwal al-Maghrib al-Aqsa (2/70)

In al-Qada’ min Nawaazil al-Imam al-Burzuli (may Allah have mercy on him) it says that the ruler of the Muslims, Yoosuf ibn Taashfeen al-Lamtooni (may Allah have mercy on him) asked the scholars of his time (may Allah be pleased with them) about Ibn ‘Abbaad al-Andalusi writing to the Franks (i.e., Christians) asking for help against the Muslims. Most of them (may Allah be pleased with them) replied that he was an apostate and a disbeliever.

Source: al-Istiqsaa li Akhbaar Duwal al-Maghrib al-Aqsa (5/75)

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on) issued a fatwa concerning those who joined the Tatars and fought the Muslims, stating that such a person was an apostate, and he said:

If the Sahaabah called those who withheld zakaah apostates – even though they fasted and prayed, and did not fight the main body of the Muslims – then how about those who have joined the enemies of Allah and His Messenger to fight the Muslims?

Source:Majmoo‘ Fataawa Shaykh al-Islam (28/530-531)

 

[Yami]

Those Somali Taliban were leagues better then the FGS. Wallahi you koonfuris fumbled heavy

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

This is a bait thread if I ever seen one respond with caution people

 

[awsaleban667]

Point proven

 

[reer]

If you refuse to make takfir on AY your Islam is called into question

will you make takfir of sharif sheikh ahmed and hassan sheikh for supporting burundian/ugandan amisom troops in somalia?

 

[awsaleban667]

will you make takfir of sharif sheikh ahmed and hassan sheikh for supporting burundian/ugandan amisom troops in somalia?

Yes

 

[reer]

Yes

fair.

 

[Haragwaafi]

I see no difference between ICU and current politicians as the old leaders of ICU are partciptating in the clannstic or tribalistic political discourse and that's the disease that somalis suffere from

 

[reer]

I see no difference between ICU and current politicians as the old leaders of ICU are partciptating in the clannstic or tribalistic political discourse and that's the disease that somalis suffere from

dahir aweys letter

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[tyrannicalmanager]

I find it weird people think the decision of the Ethiopian invasion of somalia was decided by the TFG/AY and not the US and Meles Zenawi.

ICU wasn't perfect but thd Ethiopian invasion was disaterious and prolonged the civil war.

 

[Nin123]

This is the million dollar question for the AY fanboys and secularists. Bootyclapping for Amxaar raping women and shedding blood in mosques
@Dalac Bilaash @𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒

It wasn’t an invasion but liberation from the oppressive court that banned everything, including music. The Islamic court had threatened to invade Puntland, Ethiopia, and even attack the USA without reason. The Islamic court was a Hawiye expansionist, only serving their own interests. Some of my family members participated in the liberation of the south, and I am proud of it.

 

[awsaleban667]

It wasn’t an invasion but liberation from the oppressive court that banned everything, including music. The Islamic court had threatened to invade Puntland, Ethiopia, and even attack the USA without reason. The Islamic court was a Hawiye expansionist, only serving their own interests. Some of my family members participated in the liberation of the south, and I am proud of it.

You area liar they only banned Movies and Late night soccer games because of parental complaints and to curb degeneracy. The courts had widespread popular support.

 

[awsaleban667]

It wasn’t an invasion but liberation from the oppressive court that banned everything, including music. The Islamic court had threatened to invade Puntland, Ethiopia, and even attack the USA without reason. The Islamic court was a Hawiye expansionist, only serving their own interests. Some of my family members participated in the liberation of the south, and I am proud of it.

May Allah curse those family members of yours who served as data items for the TPLF. I hope every one of them caught AIDS from the numerous times they were raped by Ethiopians

 

[Nin123]

You area liar they only banned Movies and Late night soccer games because of parental complaints and to curb degeneracy. The courts had widespread popular support.
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The court were basically a terrorist organization that used fear and intimidation to control the masses. If this is how southern thinks like I really don’t see al shabaab getting defeated in the near future. Sometimes walhy I wish we puntlander didn’t liberated you southerners the ungrateful people.

 

[FBIsomalia]

This is the million dollar question for the AY fanboys and secularists. Bootyclapping for Amxaar raping women and shedding blood in mosques
@Dalac Bilaash @𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒

ICU attacked Puntland in name of Islam, that is why AY attacked xamar.