N&N Supporters I got one question for you

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

I always said AMISOM troops are useless and when Farmajo took over I advised he should replace them with either Turkish forces or Russians to fight AS.

So how come Turks are our brothers yet they are eager to help Libyan government fight terrorists.

While the only thing Turkey does in Somalia is venturing into a tax free monopoly investments.

 

[Pipit]

@kickz

 

[kickz]

@kickz

AMISOM is still here we will see who replaces them.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

AMISOM is still here we will see who replaces them.

Saxib your answer is unsatisfactory.

 

[kickz]

Saxib your answer is unsatisfactory.

Be the change you want to see, get out there and enlist

 

[Murax]

Because Turkey I think reached a point where they realized Somalia has zero human resource factor. Somalis are not interested in learning how to fish literally and figuratively. I’ve met a Australian Somali who does work for Turkish business projects in Africa. The Turks he told are dismayed at Somali ‘Businessmen’ selfishness, lack of vision, and lack of desire to want to create businesses that will employ, empower Somalis. They had much better success with Ethiopians who care about their country.

It was said that Erdogran once said I never saw a nation that had zero nationalists until I saw Somalia. How is it possible after 10 years Somalis have not learned one tangible thing from Turkey? Build us a airport, renovate our port, build us a hospital, build us schools, build us, build us, build us....With Libya at least there is hope of propping up a real Government that can be formidable and protect Turkey’s interest in the Mediterranean.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Be the change you want to see, get out there and enlist

Saxib enlist on wat?

I am telling you Turkey is karbashing Xaftars terrorists in Libya why cant they do the same in Somalia.

Turkey is very good in intelligence they would have helped dismantle AS network of Intelligence and would wipe out all infiltrators.

Unless you are not white enough for Turkey help.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Because Turkey I think reached a point where they realized Somalia has zero human resource factor. Somalis are not interested in learning how to fish literally and figuratively. I’ve met a Australian Somali who does work for Turkish business projects in Africa. The Turks he told are dismayed at Somali ‘Businessmen’ selfishness, lack of vision, and lack of desire to want to create businesses that will employ, empower Somalis. They had much better success with Ethiopians who care about their country.

It was said that Erdogran once said I never saw a nation that had zero nationalists until I saw Somalia. How is it possible after 10 years Somalis have not learned one tangible thing from Turkey? Build us a airport, renovate our port, build us a hospital, build us schools, build us, build us, build us....With Libya at least there is hope of propping up a real Government that can be formidable and protect Turkey’s interest in the Mediterranean.

Murax yet Turkey is still investing in Somalia.
Most of these investments generate profits and are not given to Somali government but is taken away by Turkey.
Libya have no sense of nationalism.
They are just like Somalis.

Ethiopians are zombies and the employment Turkey talk about is the kind of payment we say hand to mouth.Peanuts.

Somalis are very good businessmen and dont try under estimating them they have created jobs in Kenya and Xamar was booming before 2006 Ethiopian invasion of Xamar.Life was soo cheap.

The Turks want to be like the Indians of Kenya in Somalia.Very greedy people.

 

[Murax]

Murax yet Turkey is still investing in Somalia.
Most of these investments generate profits and are not given to Somali government but is taken away by Turkey.
Libya have no sense of nationalism.
They are just like Somalis.

Ethiopians are zombies and the employment Turkey talk about is the kind of payment we say hand to mouth.Peanuts.

Somalis are very good businessmen and dont try under estimating them they have created jobs in Kenya and Xamar was booming before 2006 Ethiopian invasion of Xamar.Life was soo cheap.

The Turks want to be like the Indians of Kenya in Somalia.Very greedy people.

Dude come on you gotta give them more credit than that. Don’t get me wrong I know nothing in the world is completely free but still you cannot deny there are real, tangible, things Turkey has built. Who else has done more for Somalia you mean to tell me KSA, UAE? Bro, please don’t bring me ‘Saudis buy our lifestock’ because they get bargain basement deals for high quality lifestock. Dubai benefitted from being Somalias overseas port for business. With Turkey I believe we simply have not taken advantage of the relationship as much as we should have. The relationship was supposed to be a mentorship, lets learn to Govern from you. I listening to someone talk everytime he met a Somali politician he asked them one question: Where do you see Somalia in 20 years? Not a single one could answer. Thats sad.

Also the example you bring with Libya isn’t 100% the same. Libya is literally right across the ocean from Turkey, and sworn enemies of Turkey like Greece, the Khaain Khaleej, France are trying to control. There are vast resources at stake and Turkey has signed deals with the gov that is friendly to them. You should pray for Turkey to win so they give us more Sadaqa

 

[Pipit]

What is stopping a military super power like turkey from destroying AS when PL is taking out 5-10% of AS.

Maybe turkey sees more potential in a stable Libya than a stable Somalia

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https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/%7B65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9%7D/s_2016_919.pdf

 

[sauvé]

Saxib enlist on wat?

I am telling you Turkey is karbashing Xaftars terrorists in Libya why cant they do the same in Somalia.

Turkey is very good in intelligence they would have helped dismantle AS network of Intelligence and would wipe out all infiltrators.

Unless you are not white enough for Turkey help.

Its because of geo-political reasons, in Libya, the Turks can actually hold real influence if they pool a lot of resources there because of its geo-strategic importance coupled with the fact that there arent many actively involved countries like was the case with Syria, where there was Russia who you had to negotiate your interests with.

With the absence of other powers due to the recent shocks to the world economy, Turkey capatilised on it and made a very heavy wager in order to get a strong influence in the country and further their expansionist foreign policy

 

[sauvé]

Difference with Somalia is, there are too many foreign actors with vested interests that are very serious and not budging. You have American interests eg: in the south kismayo, Gulf influence in the north, and Turkish and Qatati influence only in moqadishu and one two other locations, Turkey is one of many foreign actors, so its not in their interest to pool as much resources like they are doing in Libya

 

[TekNiKo]

Because Turkey is only in Somalia for profit, Turkish Airlines, Favori, Barakaat all have decade long contracts intended to exploit Somalia.

 

[sauvé]

Also that ^ Turkey arent a friend, theyre just here to exploit us, we shouldnt give them exclusivity, we should play them against one another, use them all lol money is money and if it helps build the country and economy who cares; I'll happily invite and do projects with the UAE/Gulf, Turkey/qatar, America, India, I wouldnt care, as long as it is beneficial for us

 

[Falcon]

Don’t expect other countries to clean your own mess for you. turkey is helping Somalia get it’s shit together by arming and training it’s soldiers which is fairly enough in the fight against al-shabab.

Somalia does not need more mercenaries in it’s soil what it needs is for its leaders to set their political differences aside and make the fight against al-shabab their main priority.

And to be honest I don’t see that happening anytime soon since nationalism is a foreign concept to somalis compared to qabyaalad.

Because Turkey I think reached a point where they realized Somalia has zero human resource factor. Somalis are not interested in learning how to fish literally and figuratively. I’ve met a Australian Somali who does work for Turkish business projects in Africa. The Turks he told are dismayed at Somali ‘Businessmen’ selfishness, lack of vision, and lack of desire to want to create businesses that will employ, empower Somalis. They had much better success with Ethiopians who care about their country.

It was said that Erdogran once said I never saw a nation that had zero nationalists until I saw Somalia. How is it possible after 10 years Somalis have not learned one tangible thing from Turkey? Build us a airport, renovate our port, build us a hospital, build us schools, build us, build us, build us....With Libya at least there is hope of propping up a real Government that can be formidable and protect Turkey’s interest in the Mediterranean.

The Turks he told are dismayed at Somali ‘Businessmen’ selfishness, lack of vision, and lack of desire to want to create businesses that will employ, empower Somalis.

They’re not wrong about somali businessmen since they're the number one beneficiaries of the somali civil war and are one of the main forces prolonging the civil war in Somalia.

 

[Farm]

The truth is many so called Somalis are low IQ. You have some begging to be colonized by Turkey not only economically but also militarily... I have never seen another country beg for their oil blocks to be exploited and looted by another country before, you also have the people that want thousands of Turkish soldiers in Somalia. If Americans couldn’t defeat the Taliban what do you think a poorer country like Turkey can do? Turkey also has many enemies and you would be inviting a massive proxy war to Somalia just look at Libya.

 

[Murax]

The truth is many so called Somalis are low IQ. You have some begging to be colonized by Turkey not only economically but also militarily... I have never seen another country beg for their oil blocks to be exploited and looted by another country before, you also have the people that want thousands of Turkish soldiers in Somalia. If Americans couldn’t defeat the Taliban what do you think a poorer country like Turkey can do? Turkey also has many enemies and you would be inviting a massive proxy war to Somalia just look at Libya.

Lets be honest you don’t like Turkey because they support central Governments of Somalia from 2011 regardless of who’s in charge, and haven’t dealt with the Kenyan dhuxul trader Madoobe in Kismaayo. If you cared about the damn oil you wouldn’t be such a lapdog for Kenya who is officially on record trying to pry it away.

This is the crux of the problem. Where else in the world is it rational for someone to say a Country engaged in capacity building of the central government of a poor nation like Somalia is engaged in a ‘proxy war’ by doing that? How is training armies, building hospitals, airports, schools, scholarships engaging in a proxy war?

 

[Jiron]

I believe turkey is doing more than enough, we have to pull our own weight and free our country with the help that was given to us

 

[Ayubi]

Lets be honest you don’t like Turkey because they support central Governments of Somalia from 2011 regardless of who’s in charge, and haven’t dealt with the Kenyan dhuxul trader Madoobe in Kismaayo. If you cared about the damn oil you wouldn’t be such a lapdog for Kenya who is officially on record trying to pry it away.

This is the crux of the problem. Where else in the world is it rational for someone to say a Country engaged in capacity building of the central government of a poor nation like Somalia is engaged in a ‘proxy war’ by doing that? How is training armies, building hospitals, airports, schools, scholarships engaging in a proxy war?

@Farm does have a point. Turkey does have a lot of enemies so if they interfere in our domestic affairs heavily, that's just calling for other regional powers to play a deadly proxy in Somalia. Nobody is here to babysit you, Low IQ Somalis should fix their bullshit.

 

[Murax]

@Farm does have a point. Turkey does have a lot of enemies so if they interfere in our domestic affairs heavily, that's just calling for other regional powers to play a deadly proxy in Somalia. Nobody is here to babysit you, Low IQ Somalis should fix their bullshit.

Nobody is denying that Somalis should be a factor in their own recovery. Infact I said just that, Somalia’s relationship with Turkey was supposed to be a mentorship, learn to fish relationship not a ‘build me, build me, build me’. However you cannot blame Turkey for our lack of evolving, exhibition of 68 IQ as you say symptoms. Not only is that get you nowhere scapegoating, but its a stupid mentality. Since 1991 Turkey has done more for Somalia US, UAE, KSA, EU, UN, AMISOM combined. There is nothing for us to feel ‘exploited’ about. But again as Somalis we are the definition of what have you done for me lately mentality.