My heritage

[Step a side]

Yea the Moorshe were originally Ajuuraan.
But Moorshe are not the oldest in Xamar tho.

I believe Jacub and Bafadal (Hiraab/Darandole) are much older.

No way lol. Hiiraab is max 800 years old as a tribe while Ajuuraan were already firmly established in south by the 1300s. Yacquub would be born couple of centuries later. Vast majority of Hiiraab would have still been up north. Even Silcis Gurgaarate and Wadalaan Gurgaarte arrived before Yaquub in the south.

I discussed the migration patterns in detail here.

Both Adal and Ajuran coincidently destructed in a similar timeframe, so migrations in Somalia were abundant. I read a mention of Isaq, Geri, Harti, MX and Other Dir and Karanle still living in Hararge today. In the North 1600s Dir were too far west and started moving back to the east. MX split three ways from Harar, some remained with the Geri and the general region, a group went south (Rer Hasan etc) and majority stayed in the current MX areas between Shilaabo to their old Ximan. The bulk of Hiraab moved south and captured Mogadishu. The Harti moved east from Sanaag. The Ajuran moved to Kenya. Gugundhabe held the long left bank of the Shabelle starting from Bale all the way to Afgooye until the Absame grew in numbers to leave northwestern Somalia and dominate the Ogaden region or desert. Karanles didn't migrate to Somalia during this upheavel nor did the Geri and some Dir clans, they faced the brunt of damages by Oromia, Afars and Gurages. Just like the Murusade part of Villa Somalias road was the most battle struck part of the Civil War.

Before 1600, there was a long Haysin caravan route that went from Harar to Berbera down the Nugaal valley, the desert inbetween the 3 was harsh but temporay, in times of the numerous Adal leaders of the 1400/1500 alot of experts and farmers came and built small towns. The oromo expansion also contributed to economy, they are more intelligent than Somalis and ruled Ethiopia many times now.

The Bimal were also in Tadjoura before they came to live with Sheekhaal in Merca. But the original southern clans of Karanles (including murusade), Garres, RX and old Hawiye clans like Silcis, Xaskul, Ajuran etc were part of the 1600 southern migrations. All these clans were already southern tribes and either migrated back to the North or dispersed even more. RX were two groups one in Harar and one in the Bakool Afdheer area. Garre moved from the baraawe-kismaayo hinterlands, into kenya and ethiopia. Murusade moved north from Barawe closer to Marka, Xamar and Afgooye while the central Murusades moved south in small groups to the river. Xaskuls, Silcis and remnants of Hawiye of the ancient south returned back to Xamar, or moved to Mudug or Harar. Digil and small samaales of ancient koonfur migrated up and down the coast they never crossed their side of the rivers much.


MX lived in Old Ximan, a vast area including the Nugal valley. Murusade is ancient and split up long before these wars from the Karanle. The Murusade that lived with the Hirab moved south from Nugaal. Another splinter Murusade already lived in Xamar and various migrations happened around Benadir. The Karanles were scattered between the 14 mountains from Harar to Imey. XL is also another ancient clan that had seperated before any wars and some lived in Ethiopia and some lived in the South before they met in the centre to dominate Hiiraan

The Murusade that were recruited or stayed behind in Harar are the Musetuur Codweyne living in Dire Dawa today. There have always been old Hawiye remaining around Harar continuously for over 2 millenia. Even Abgaal have a clan called Abdaal living in Hararge.

 

[Step a side]

@Medeea Their were Hawiye tribes in the south centuries before Yaquub was born. Al idriisi confirmed it when he mentioned Hawiye at Merca during the 12th century

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

No way lol. Hiiraab is max 800 years old as a tribe while Ajuuraan were already firmly established in south by the 1300s. Yacquub would be born couple of centuries later. Vast majority of Hiiraab would have still been up north. Even Silcis Gurgaarate and Wadalaan Gurgaarte arrived before Yaquub in the south.

I discussed the migration patterns in detail here.

Murusade in nugaal that’s interesting nugaal today is majority MJ with some LLK and awrtable and others wish there could’ve been better documentation of Somali migration patterns instead of poems

 

[livinlavish]

No way lol. Hiiraab is max 800 years old as a tribe while Ajuuraan were already firmly established in south by the 1300s. Yacquub would be born couple of centuries later. Vast majority of Hiiraab would have still been up north. Even Silcis Gurgaarate and Wadalaan Gurgaarte arrived before Yaquub in the south.

I discussed the migration patterns in detail here.

Never knew there were some murusade subs that live in DDS. Do they primarily live in dir dhabe or do they also live in other karanle areas such as babile and harar

 

[Step a side]

Never knew there were some murusade subs that live in DDS. Do they primarily live in dir dhabe or do they also live in other karanle areas such as babile and harar

You will find all sorts of Hawiye like Saruur in Doolo bay. Celi Cumar in Hararghe, Murusade in Baabili, Bale and Iimey. Very in Bale. The Murusade’s from Baabili are under Sexawle.

This famous Isaaq lady talks about Dir Dawa Murusades.

Thread 'Somalinimo Karanle kibir jabshe '
https://www.somalispot.com/threads/somalinimo-karanle-kibir-jabshe-.169623/

 

[Angelina]

You will find all sorts of Hawiye like Saruur in Doolo bay. Celi Cumar in Hararghe, Murusade in Baabili, Bale and Iimey. Very in Bale. The Murusade’s from Baabili are under Sexawle.

This famous Isaaq lady talks about Dir Dawa Murusades.

Thread 'Somalinimo Karanle kibir jabshe '
https://www.somalispot.com/threads/somalinimo-karanle-kibir-jabshe-.169623/

When did Hawiyes come to the South and how far North did they migrate from?

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

When did Hawiyes come to the South and how far North did they migrate from?

Hawiye came to the south a Long time ago hawiyes where documented living in Merca area in the 1200s

 

[Angelina]

Hawiye came to the south a Long time ago hawiyes where documented living in Merca area in the 1200s

I’m talking about the main Hawiye tribes like HJ, Mursade and Abgaal. I doubt they all came at the same time. I think some came and then others came ect.

@Step a side also said that Hirab came later to the South.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

I’m talking about the main Hawiye tribes like HJ, Mursade and Abgaal. I doubt they all came at the same time. I think some came and then others came ect.

@Step a side also said that Hirab came later to the South.

hiraab is a younger clan according to dna studies they most likely came later on

@Step a side share your knowledge

 

[Angelina]

hiraab is a younger clan according to dna studies they most likely came later on

@Step a side share your knowledge

Yep but they also now make up the bulk of Hawiyes now. I don’t know much about other non Hiraabs apart from like Mursade. I feel like with Hawiyes, the main ones are HG, Abgaal and Mursade and supposedly Hawadle aren’t even Hawiye anymore or never were to begin with.

 

[Angelina]

Wait, are Mursadde Hiraab?

 

[livinlavish]

Wait, are Mursadde Hiraab?

Karanle first son of Hawiye

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Yep but they also now make up the bulk of Hawiyes now. I don’t know much about other non Hiraabs apart from like Mursade. I feel like with Hawiyes, the main ones are HG, Abgaal and Mursade and supposedly Hawadle aren’t even Hawiye anymore or never were to begin with.

hiraab and murusade make up the bulk of Hawiyes in Somalia and since those groups live in the capitol they are the most famous hawiyes in Somaliweyn hawadle are Meyle samale

 

[Angelina]

hiraab and murusade make up the bulk of Hawiyes in Somalia and since those groups live in the capitol they are the most famous hawiyes in Somaliweyn hawadle are Meyle samale

So why were they walking around calling themselves Hawiye for years? It’s only been in the last few yrs that they’ve been honest about not being Hawiye. Somalis are a confusing bunch

 

[Angelina]

Karanle first son of Hawiye

Thanks ChatGPT are liars-I knew they weren’t Hiraab but when I asked for all the Hiraab hawiye tribes they included them which confused me. Only asked ChatGPT because it seems there are a few smaller Hawiye clans that most might not know about.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

So why were they walking around calling themselves Hawiye for years? It’s only been in the last few yrs that they’ve been honest about not being Hawiye. Somalis are a confusing bunch

Political and social alliances also they live with and intermarry mostly with Hawiyes for hundreds of years that plays apart but they are also very close with leelkase socially

 

[Angelina]

Political and social alliances also they live with and intermarry mostly with Hawiyes for hundreds of years that plays apart but they are also very close with leelkase socially

I don’t believe that Hawiye, Darood, Isaaq or Dir are real. Only sub-clans are real- so they might as well continue calling themselves Hawiye.

 

[Angelina]

Another question- what clan do Faqshini fall under in regards to Hawiye and how did they get that far North in Las canood?

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

I don’t believe that Hawiye, Darood, Isaaq or Dir are real. Only sub-clans are real- so they might as well continue calling themselves Hawiye.

Daarood core group is real a bunch of subclans share the same haplogroup within 900 years

 

[Espaa_]

Another question- what clan do Faqshini fall under in regards to Hawiye and how did they get that far North in Las canood?

Arent they hg?