Like I said you don't know Xawaadle. They could capture all of Puntland in 72hrs. They are a people who you don't want to mess with or become your enemy. They were the backbone of USC and everyone knows how powerful USC became.
Musharaxa Burka " Aniga xaaskaygaa Puntland ictiraaf u raadinaysa
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Like I said you don't know Xawaadle. They could capture all of Puntland in 72hrs. They are a people who you don't want to mess with or become your enemy. They were the backbone of USC and everyone knows how powerful USC became.
Velœcity
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If you guys become independent what will you guys do about AS? and also Im not against the idea if you think it’ll help Jubbites go for it you guys are our one and only ally
Abaq
VIP
Oo ma adaa Jubbaland u talisaa when you say it ain't leaving Somalia? Some cheek you got there. Do you actually think the Federal government controls Jubbaland? Let me educate you, Jubbaland was liberated, created, and defended today by Ogaden. True the Kenyans provided air support and heavy artillery, but the actual fighting and heavy lifting was done by us. HAG and whatever other nonsense you have have no say in Waamo as we proved when we refused to follow Majnuunkii Farmaajo.
Velœcity
Bosaaso iyo Qandala
Only if they had the help of other hawiyes, would that even be virtually possible
If you guys become independent what will you guys do about AS? and also Im not against the idea if you think it’ll help Jubbites go for it you guys are our one and only ally
The PM is Ogaden and he and Ahmed Madoobe are united with HAG. You just want to take Ogaden PM seat. Ogaden ain't that stupid.
GuanYu
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Yall know Marehan Softened up the brits for you, plus we were fighting on 2 fronts with the Sayyids in the north and in JubbaLand. Oh and Abdirahman mursal got whooped in Faafaxhdun by MX and got sent back to ethiopia where he came from with his Tail in between his legs
Jubbaland is synomous with MX.
Eitherway I rate the Ogaden for the fight against the brits in Jubbaland
You don't speak for Ogaden. In Somalia it is the PM and Jubbaland president Ahmed Madoobe who speak for Ogaden interest. They are united with HAG to form our vision for Somalia.
@Abaq
source: https://www.jstor.org/stable/41931227
British Perspectives on Aulihan Somali Unrest in the East Africa Protectorate, 1915-1918
Abaq
VIP
AS is unfortunately aided and abetted by shisheeye laangaab tribes that are guests among us. It doesn't also help that Jubbaland has been under constant attack and economic blockade by HAG and Xamar ever since it was created. AS and their giirgiir laangaab allies will be swept away soon insha AllahIf you guys become independent what will you guys do about AS? and also Im not against the idea if you think it’ll help Jubbites go for it you guys are our one and only ally
Velœcity
Bosaaso iyo Qandala
sxb why would I want to harm OG? Sometimes we dagaal but that’s what brothers do, OG been our only allys since B.C
my enemies are isaaqs And Hawiyes only!
Cawlyahan killing Marehans for sport and taking their camels because they could lol
The Sack of Serenli
Excerpt:
"On 2 February 1916, the disaster that British officials had feared would one day happen in the NFD occurred in neighboring Jubaland. There, a large party of northern Aulihan led by Hajji 'Abdurrahman Mursaal surprised and killed the Serenli DC, Lieutenant Francis Elliot, and many of the British garrison. It is important to understand the motives that lay behind the sack of Serenli. The incident actually arose from a dispute between Aulihan and Marehan Somalis not long after the outbreak of the First World War and from which a series of raids and reprisals had followed. Following the deaths of nine Marehan at the hands of northern Aulihan and the looting of hundreds of camels, Lieutenant Elliot had publicly given 'Abdurrahman Mursaal an ultimatum to surrender the stolen animals to him within three days. Instead, the government-paid Reer Waffatu headman defiantly delivered a gift of black animals that, by Somali custom, constituted an open challenge to the Serenli DC. The undaunted, but injudicious, Elliot apparently was contemptuous of the threat and failed to take precautions. Instead, he continued his incredible practice of locking the garrison's rifles in the guardroom each evening before sunset. Moreover, he allowed a large contingent of Aulihan to camp just 100 yards from the boma.
At 7 p.m., while the askaris, or African soldiers, were settling down to evening meals, the Aulihan burst upon the British post. The Somalis set the surprised soldiers' huts on fire, and killed many of them as they fled the flames. By one account, 'Abdurrahman Mursaal himself is said to have shot Elliot beneath the ear with a revolver, and by another, to have donned Elliot's sun helmet after the raid. Dozens of Elliot's men were killed in the attack, while the survivors escaped across the Juba River to the nearby Italian post at Baardheere. The Somalis captured the company's maxim gun along with large quantities of arms and ammunition. 24 For the next 18 months, 'Abdurrahman Mursaal's northern Aulihan, strengthened by the acquisition of British weapons, held free reign over much of Jubaland and threatened British rule in the NFD as well. Indeed, a British officer with service in the region would later describe the Ogaden, of whom the Aulihan were a part, as "one of the most formidable fighting tribes in Africa" because of their mobility with their ponies, remarkable endurance, and the skill with which they wielded their spears.
The calamity that befell Elliot was undoubtedly partly his own doing. Nevertheless, the root of the problem stemmed from the unwillingness of higher authorities to bear the costs and accept the responsibilities of frontier administration. As had been the case with other frontier representatives from the inception of British rule in northern Kenya, officials in Nairobi had placed Elliot in a position of weakness and forced him to improvise in a hostile milieu. Like those other British administrators and contrary to official policy, Elliot found himself thoroughly entangled in local politics. Reading the official records from the period, the historian is struck by the degree to which colonial officers became involved in petty disputes. At times, this involved an attempt to prevent Somali groups, including the Aulihan whom the officer-in-charge of the NFD blamed for "crowding in," from wresting the Wajir wells from the Boorana and their Ajuran allies. In other cases, it entailed intrusion into feuds among the Somalis so that kaffirs, or infidels, became judges in conflicts that had heretofore been resolved by traditional means or with reference to shari'a, or Islamic law. Believing themselves impartial and just, British administrators presided over Somali shirs, mediated dia disputes, settled bride-wealth cases, and decided rights to watering sites. Such intervention could become dangerous for frontier representatives since they lacked legitimacy in Somali eyes and were without the means to enforce their decisions. That this was part of the reason for the Aulihan uprising is evidenced by the fact that, after the sack of Serenli, 'Abdurrahman Mursaal wrote a letter to King George V complaining of Lieutenant Elliot's partiality to the Marehan. Meanwhile, although the taxation of Somalis had not yet been sanctioned, the authorities had long since pressured them to surrender camels for government transport. Elliot, who took pride in his knowledge of the Somali language, did not fully appreciate the subtleties of Somali politics. Moreover, he counted too much on his own abilities, and consequently paid the ultimate price for his folly.
Understanding something of the character of 'Abdurrahman Mursaal is also important, not only for appreciating the events which lay behind the Aulihan rebellion, but also for comprehending the critical fact of why other Somali groups failed to join his resistance to colonial rule. 'Abdurrahman Mursaal was the son of Mursaal bin Omar, an important Ogaden leader in Italian Somaliland. The Aulihan chief and "holy man" came to the EAP after working for the Italian Benadir Company and running amiss of the Italian colonial administration. 'Abdurrahman Mursaal briefly served the Kismaayo administration after 1896, when the British sent him and 18 constables to establish a customs post at Serenli. 32 He became a leader of an Ogaden rebellion in British territory in 1898, however, and was involved in the death of the Jubaland subcommissioner, A. C. W. Jenner in late 1900. Nevertheless, the Reer Waffatu chief was soon working with the British again. So slight was the influence of the colonial authorities over the Somalis that they took help where they could get it. Some were not so ready to secure his services. John Hope, one of the first British officials to serve in the NFD, condemned 'Abdurrahman Mursaal's proclivities for independent action, and C. S. Reddie, a Jubaland Provincial Commissioner (PC), accused the Aulihan leader of gun-running. Nevertheless, Captain R. E. Salkeld, a British officer in Jubaland who subsequently became the PC, was willing to rely on 'Abdurrahman Mursaal. In fact, the Aulihan leader had the opportunity to meet with the EAP governor in 1915, and used his interview to promote his personal authority when he returned to Serenli. Obviously, the Aulihan leader was a man who took his own counsel, and one who could not be pushed too far. Elliot's inability to grasp this led to tragic consequences for him and his men as well as the Aulihan chief's followers when colonial troops finally suppressed their rebellion."
The Sack of Serenli
Excerpt:
"On 2 February 1916, the disaster that British officials had feared would one day happen in the NFD occurred in neighboring Jubaland. There, a large party of northern Aulihan led by Hajji 'Abdurrahman Mursaal surprised and killed the Serenli DC, Lieutenant Francis Elliot, and many of the British garrison. It is important to understand the motives that lay behind the sack of Serenli. The incident actually arose from a dispute between Aulihan and Marehan Somalis not long after the outbreak of the First World War and from which a series of raids and reprisals had followed. Following the deaths of nine Marehan at the hands of northern Aulihan and the looting of hundreds of camels, Lieutenant Elliot had publicly given 'Abdurrahman Mursaal an ultimatum to surrender the stolen animals to him within three days. Instead, the government-paid Reer Waffatu headman defiantly delivered a gift of black animals that, by Somali custom, constituted an open challenge to the Serenli DC. The undaunted, but injudicious, Elliot apparently was contemptuous of the threat and failed to take precautions. Instead, he continued his incredible practice of locking the garrison's rifles in the guardroom each evening before sunset. Moreover, he allowed a large contingent of Aulihan to camp just 100 yards from the boma.
At 7 p.m., while the askaris, or African soldiers, were settling down to evening meals, the Aulihan burst upon the British post. The Somalis set the surprised soldiers' huts on fire, and killed many of them as they fled the flames. By one account, 'Abdurrahman Mursaal himself is said to have shot Elliot beneath the ear with a revolver, and by another, to have donned Elliot's sun helmet after the raid. Dozens of Elliot's men were killed in the attack, while the survivors escaped across the Juba River to the nearby Italian post at Baardheere. The Somalis captured the company's maxim gun along with large quantities of arms and ammunition. 24 For the next 18 months, 'Abdurrahman Mursaal's northern Aulihan, strengthened by the acquisition of British weapons, held free reign over much of Jubaland and threatened British rule in the NFD as well. Indeed, a British officer with service in the region would later describe the Ogaden, of whom the Aulihan were a part, as "one of the most formidable fighting tribes in Africa" because of their mobility with their ponies, remarkable endurance, and the skill with which they wielded their spears.
The calamity that befell Elliot was undoubtedly partly his own doing. Nevertheless, the root of the problem stemmed from the unwillingness of higher authorities to bear the costs and accept the responsibilities of frontier administration. As had been the case with other frontier representatives from the inception of British rule in northern Kenya, officials in Nairobi had placed Elliot in a position of weakness and forced him to improvise in a hostile milieu. Like those other British administrators and contrary to official policy, Elliot found himself thoroughly entangled in local politics. Reading the official records from the period, the historian is struck by the degree to which colonial officers became involved in petty disputes. At times, this involved an attempt to prevent Somali groups, including the Aulihan whom the officer-in-charge of the NFD blamed for "crowding in," from wresting the Wajir wells from the Boorana and their Ajuran allies. In other cases, it entailed intrusion into feuds among the Somalis so that kaffirs, or infidels, became judges in conflicts that had heretofore been resolved by traditional means or with reference to shari'a, or Islamic law. Believing themselves impartial and just, British administrators presided over Somali shirs, mediated dia disputes, settled bride-wealth cases, and decided rights to watering sites. Such intervention could become dangerous for frontier representatives since they lacked legitimacy in Somali eyes and were without the means to enforce their decisions. That this was part of the reason for the Aulihan uprising is evidenced by the fact that, after the sack of Serenli, 'Abdurrahman Mursaal wrote a letter to King George V complaining of Lieutenant Elliot's partiality to the Marehan. Meanwhile, although the taxation of Somalis had not yet been sanctioned, the authorities had long since pressured them to surrender camels for government transport. Elliot, who took pride in his knowledge of the Somali language, did not fully appreciate the subtleties of Somali politics. Moreover, he counted too much on his own abilities, and consequently paid the ultimate price for his folly.
Understanding something of the character of 'Abdurrahman Mursaal is also important, not only for appreciating the events which lay behind the Aulihan rebellion, but also for comprehending the critical fact of why other Somali groups failed to join his resistance to colonial rule. 'Abdurrahman Mursaal was the son of Mursaal bin Omar, an important Ogaden leader in Italian Somaliland. The Aulihan chief and "holy man" came to the EAP after working for the Italian Benadir Company and running amiss of the Italian colonial administration. 'Abdurrahman Mursaal briefly served the Kismaayo administration after 1896, when the British sent him and 18 constables to establish a customs post at Serenli. 32 He became a leader of an Ogaden rebellion in British territory in 1898, however, and was involved in the death of the Jubaland subcommissioner, A. C. W. Jenner in late 1900. Nevertheless, the Reer Waffatu chief was soon working with the British again. So slight was the influence of the colonial authorities over the Somalis that they took help where they could get it. Some were not so ready to secure his services. John Hope, one of the first British officials to serve in the NFD, condemned 'Abdurrahman Mursaal's proclivities for independent action, and C. S. Reddie, a Jubaland Provincial Commissioner (PC), accused the Aulihan leader of gun-running. Nevertheless, Captain R. E. Salkeld, a British officer in Jubaland who subsequently became the PC, was willing to rely on 'Abdurrahman Mursaal. In fact, the Aulihan leader had the opportunity to meet with the EAP governor in 1915, and used his interview to promote his personal authority when he returned to Serenli. Obviously, the Aulihan leader was a man who took his own counsel, and one who could not be pushed too far. Elliot's inability to grasp this led to tragic consequences for him and his men as well as the Aulihan chief's followers when colonial troops finally suppressed their rebellion."
Ethiopian troops poured into West Gedo. The target and the enemy is Ogaden. Whilst HAG got your back. Reer Abudwaaq wish to wipe you out from Somalia. The PM and Ahmed Madoobe know this.
Yall know Marehan Softened up the brits for you, plus we were fighting on 2 fronts with the Sayyids in the north and in JubbaLand. Oh and Abdirahman mursal got whooped in Faafaxhdun by MX and got sent back to ethiopia where he came from with his Tail in between his legs
Jubbaland is synomous with MX.
Eitherway I rate the Ogaden for the fight against the brits in Jubbaland
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Marehan picked up shoes for British, yet Cawlyahan in Gedo karbashed Marehan, British and Indian soldiers and still kicked out the British
Abaq
VIP
There is no such thing as unity. We see our short term benefit in partnering with HAG today, but that doesn't mean we are naive to the threat HAG poses to Jubbaland. It was HAG that funded two invasions against Jubbaland and still harbour ill designs on it till today. HAG is and will always be held in contempt and distrust by us.
sxb why would I want to harm OG? Sometimes we dagaal but that’s what brothers do, OG been our only allys since B.C
my enemies are isaaqs And Hawiyes only!
Your bitter about Ogaden getting the top spot. First time in Somalia's history that Ogaden became PM, which means that they can push to become president. Be happy for them. Abudwaaq community desire to genocide the PM and Ahmed Madoobe. there is no D unity here.
Your friend @InaShaqalle is projecting his own pettiness on others. The hallmarks of an insecure laangaab without any achievements.
Ignore this kid bro, he is obsessed with OG
warya @InaShaqalle get a life bro, focus on your al-Shabaab infested tuulos in hiraan, that is if your clan is hawadle today because you seem to change your qabiil weekly
your always in OG business and fighting with other clans, let it go bro, Jubbaland RAG BA LEH and nothing your minority ass can do about it
It was Abudwaaq community that organised these invasions. HAG are a victim just as you. HAG were conned into getting involved. But now that we are friends this will not happen. Infact I will protect you from Abudwaaq and Ethiopian threats. At the end of the day we need each other to survive.
When was somaliland independent the few hours before caalanka bluuga was flying high in hargesia
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